| A lot of people like to bitch at rap for making songs about nothing but "sex and drugs", but why don't people call out "classical rock" since the 60s, when those songs either talked about love, a new word to define sex, or their latest drug-filled fantasy? Oddly enough it's the same people who like classical rock who mainly bitch and moan about rap. |
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Ledo said: I'd argue that mainstream rap is more prone to topics such as sex and drugs as opposed to classical rock. Certain artists also provide decent exposure. Regardless though the opinions of others shouldn't affect the way you perceive the music. You simply like the music or you don't. It's usually said by people who haven't heard much rap, who heard 2 "mainstream" artists and like to generalize a whole genre based on their ignorance. |
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HKA-4M-T7 said: yah that'd be fine if it was just 2 mainstream artisits, but it isnt, it significantly more and even throughout the underground rap scene. its generalized cause a majority of rap is about power drugs and moneyLedo said: I'd argue that mainstream rap is more prone to topics such as sex and drugs as opposed to classical rock. Certain artists also provide decent exposure. Regardless though the opinions of others shouldn't affect the way you perceive the music. You simply like the music or you don't. It's usually said by people who haven't heard much rap, who heard 2 "mainstream" artists and like to generalize a whole genre based on their ignorance. |
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: yah that'd be fine if it was just 2 mainstream artisits, but it isnt, it significantly more and even throughout the underground rap scene. its generalized cause a majority of rap is about power drugs and money The same can be said for mainstream classical rockers who had songs about the same shit. Cherry Pie Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds Rock You Like A Hurricane Feels like the First Time Squeezin' Touchin' Feelin Any KISS song Etc |
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| Easy target, and because rap is more mainstream than heavy metal, as it has been for the past 20 years (give or take). |
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| Because people tend to form opinions very easily and with very little backing up said opinions. If a person has a preconceived notion of something - in this case, hip-hop music - and that person is presented with one or two examples which reinforce this notion, then he will generally be convinced that his original idea was correct with only a little bit of selected evidence, because people like to believe that they are intuitively right. It is true that there are a lot of themes in hip-hop culture that are at odds with my values - primarily sexism and homophobia - however, I don't write-off the entire genre because of some individuals, I simply don't listen to, or support those individuals. The same can easily be said of rock music, or any other genre or art form. |
| Classic rock is classic so it's hard to regulate past songs. |
| Well, according to my history teacher who is an avid fan of classical rock, when classical rock was not "classical" and it was modern, people basically looked at it the same way hip hop is looked at today. The generation just changed. Basically, it's because hip hop is the music of "now". So it gains more attention. |
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| I thought drugs and sex was always associated with rock.. |
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Red_Keys said: I thought drugs and sex was always associated with rock.. Not to people who bitch about rap because they're underground rock artist isn't making it big enough. |
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Red_Keys said: I thought drugs and sex was always associated with rock.. It was in the past. It more or less moved to hip hop. Or I think the general opinion is..that.. |
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HKA-4M-T7 said: Oddly enough it's the same people who like classical rock who mainly bitch and moan about rap. Welcome to every old generation's viewpoint on the new generation ever. It usually goes so that the new generation establishes itself, becomes old, then criticizes whatever is new that comes along. |
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| No no no, you have a few things mistaken here ... The problem with Rap is that many of the artists are first, not some ghetto badass but instead literally created by the industry, their lyrics are hollow as fuck since they never "popped a cap in some nigga's ass" or anything close to it. Also the other problem is the both talk about sex / drugs but rap usually well ... has absolutely no musical talent and even the shitty vocals are auto tuned (not something accessible to artists in the 70's although I bet if it was many would have used it), so many people now are elitists that say that Rap artists are quite literally just an empty shell produced by some music label with no musical talent... Of course this is harsh since I don't like rap myself, although I really don't care what genre someone listens to, nor do I believe any genre of music to be superior to another, but when looking at who is more skilled between Led Zeppelin and Snoop Dogg, I don't possibly see any way in which Snoop Dogg has more musical talent. |
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Akito_Kinomoto said: HKA-4M-T7 said: Oddly enough it's the same people who like classical rock who mainly bitch and moan about rap. Welcome to every old generation's viewpoint on the new generation ever. It usually goes so that the new generation establishes itself, becomes old, then criticizes whatever is new that comes along. Not just old generation, but plenty of people my age (high school - college) That complain about the same stuff. But yeah, the oldies past their prime never cease to be humorously irrelevant. Ledo said: It's fine to have our own opinions, but lets not turn this discussion of music into a battle over personal preferences. That was just an exaggeration ;) |
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Pirating_Ninja said: No no no, you have a few things mistaken here ... The problem with Rap is that many of the artists are first, not some ghetto badass but instead literally created by the industry, their lyrics are hollow as fuck since they never "popped a cap in some nigga's ass" or anything close to it. Also the other problem is the both talk about sex / drugs but rap usually well ... has absolutely no musical talent and even the shitty vocals are auto tuned (not something accessible to artists in the 70's although I bet if it was many would have used it), so many people now are elitists that say that Rap artists are quite literally just an empty shell produced by some music label with no musical talent... Of course this is harsh since I don't like rap myself, although I really don't care what genre someone listens to, nor do I believe any genre of music to be superior to another, but when looking at who is more skilled between Led Zeppelin and Snoop Dogg, I don't possibly see any way in which Snoop Dogg has more musical talent. I'm not a huge fan of either metal or rock, but you've hit the nail on the head. Since the 90s with gangster rap and overrated artists like Biggie, Dre, Tupac, NWO, etc. and the whole thing of "gangster rap" and "current rap" put a hole in what the genre established in the 70s and 80s. |
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| Because rap doesn't even try to hide their sexual lyrics, they may as well be saying "Yo, suck my dick." Well, from the ones I've heard at least. |
| I like both myself, but neither are my favorites. Classical rock definitely isn't as in-your-face about the things aforementioned; it's more subtle at times, and even when it isn't, it's never quite as vicious and harsh as rap can be. |
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| I can't help but laugh at the whole "old" "new" argument above, especially considering that "rap" is older in this case. Music does not age. The main difference is that for classic rock "sex and drugs" are just a metaphor, a symbol of freedom. Its not something that is specifically glorified(although I don't see on why sex should be shunned). Drugs and sex are just a way to "deny" the control others would impose on your life. Its not "we do drugs because its cool" its "we do drugs because we can" For rap - "power, respect, drugs, sex" etc are the endgame. For classic rock - its just one of millions of topics that can be used to express one's freedom. |
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| lmao I love the posts insulting the genre followed by, "I don't listen to it much." That makes you lose almost all your credibility there. Not all rap is about sex and drugs and not all classic rock is about that either. Fai said: Drugs and sex are just a way to "deny" the control others would impose on your life. Its not "we do drugs because its cool" its "we do drugs because we can" Tons of musicians in classic rock did it cause they thought it was cool, especially with glam rock/metal. The drugs thing happens in other genres too. Classic rock wasn't about rebellion and freedom, that's punk. Before anyone argues that glam isn't part of classic rock. Classic rock is more a general term for a few genres, kind of like classical is a general term for multiple eras of music. |
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penguindrum264 said: That was like poetry, man.lmao I love the posts insulting the genre followed by, "I don't listen to it much." That makes you lose almost all your credibility there. Not all rap is about sex and drugs and not all classic rock is about that either. Simply put: It's all hypocrisy. Rap music is always put in the spotlight for being misogynistic and encourage drug use. Everything has a negative side to it. A lot of rappers in the game are tackling issues in their music and outside of the recording studio. Just because the only rap you've been exposed to is Lil Wayne and other ignorant rappers, doesn't mean the entire rap genre is the same way. It's like people thinking all anime is hentai (which it kind of is, but still). |
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Starchaser187 said: Capricious_Smile said: Cause rap sux and classical rock is good. Pretty much. Well, the majority of rap is horrid Lol so ignorant |
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penguindrum264 said: Tons of musicians in classic rock did it cause they thought it was cool, especially with glam rock/metal. The drugs thing happens in other genres too. Classic rock wasn't about rebellion and freedom, that's punk. Before anyone argues that glam isn't part of classic rock. Classic rock is more a general term for a few genres, kind of like classical is a general term for multiple eras of music. "doing it" and "singing about it" are two different things. Drugs were cool. That's not a genre thing. That's 60's-80's thing. THat still does not change the fact that both hip hop and rap mostly focuses on gang style of life, with power, drugs and sex as the "ultimate achievement", while in rock genre its just a means to the end, since the very idea of rock genre started as a part of world-wide free-will movement. Also the last part is bullshit. "Classic Rock" defines very exact bands. Its ~80's AOR commercial derivative, mainly(hence why I just ignored classic part in argument) For example, Rolling Stones and Status Quo is classic rock, while late albums of The Eagles are decidedly not. |
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Fai said: I can't help but laugh at the whole "old" "new" argument above, especially considering that "rap" is older in this case. Music does not age. I wouldn't be that blunt. Music ages with the generation its in. The 80s heavy metal with Metallica and Iron Maiden aren't like the Heavy Metal currently. The same thing with rock or any other genre you find. As it gets older, it changes. |
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Fai said: gigglingidiot said: penguindrum264 said: That was like poetry, man.lmao I love the posts insulting the genre followed by, "I don't listen to it much." That makes you lose almost all your credibility there. Not all rap is about sex and drugs and not all classic rock is about that either. Simply put: It's all hypocrisy. Rap music is always put in the spotlight for being misogynistic and encourage drug use. Everything has a negative side to it. A lot of rappers in the game are tackling issues in their music and outside of the recording studio. Just because the only rap you've been exposed to is Lil Wayne and other ignorant rappers, doesn't mean the entire rap genre is the same way. It's like people thinking all anime is hentai (which it kind of is, but still). A simple answer to OP's question, some people just don't like rap. It's not because one genre is superior to the other, each genre of music has it's own merits and appeal. Everyone has a preference. If the lyrics of a rap song were put in a classic rock song and changed a bit, the people who don't like rap may end up liking it. The lyrics didn't change that much, the music itself change as in the instrumentation. Music is mostly about auditory pleasure, and I think most people don't realize that. Linguistics doesn't separate genres(like the idiots I see on MAL think when a song is in Japanese it's automatically better), harmony, melody, rhythm, timbre, and how the music is preformed/recorded is what separates genres. |
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