| I live in America and my history teacher told me that there are almost no atheists in government. I'm pretty sure all our presidents have been religious. If someone were to run for president as an atheist, do you think that it would stop them for winning? Is it like this in other countries too? (Not counting theocracies) |
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| Seeing how Americans have a hardon for Jesus, as long as the atheist politicians keep their atheism to themselves, and pretend to be Bible-thumpers, they will not be rejected outright. |
| Probably. There's a lot of negative connotation with "atheism," and I can't think of any "good" things about them, other than the whole "I'm rational and only use my sense-making skills, rather than deferring to some being that may or may not exist" shenanigans. So yeah, I guess we're (as a country) kind of stupid. |
| "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM EXTREMIST HAR HAR HAR" Considering that connotating a different religion (or lack of one) other than Christianity with a political figure, well namely a president I suppose, isn't met with good feedback, it probably isn't the best idea. |
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| Things are getting better though. A gallup poll showed that 32% of Americans now consider themselves "Non-Religious". While the majority of those Americans are still theists, I believe more of them would be accepting of an atheist politician than the religious crowd. Overall though, I think we have to wait a few more generations and let the old people die out. I don't think I will ever see an atheist president in my lifetime, but who knows....I hope I'm wrong. |
Cupquake said: I'm pretty sure all our presidents have been religious. Well that's not true. So now you know. |
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| Almost definitely. The amount of religious people greatly outweigh the amount of atheists, and since religious people will most likely vote for religious people, and atheist leader wouldn't stand a chance. |
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bean_kun said: The amount of atheists greatly outweigh the amount of religious people No they don't. |
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QueenJenny said: Cupquake said: I'm pretty sure all our presidents have been religious. Well that's not true. So now you know. Which ones? |
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QueenJenny said: bean_kun said: The amount of atheists greatly outweigh the amount of religious people No they don't. Woops...I meant that the other way around .-. *brb editing post* |
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Cupquake said: QueenJenny said: Cupquake said: I'm pretty sure all our presidents have been religious. Well that's not true. So now you know. Which ones? Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Oh and on topic, I think as the years pass, religious affiliation matters less and less to voters. I know Muslims still vote for presidents and it's not like there's ever been a Muslim candidate inb4 Obama. I think all that really matters to most people is what a president's views are on topics like economy, foreign affairs, and social issues. |
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OGHelios said: Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Both of them claimed to be theists. |
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| i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. |
| I think it has to do with morals, the public usually see a religious man as a man with morals, the obvious choice in respect to a sinful atheist, and not to mention the majority of america is religious so they would naturally vote for someone they can identify with. Me being my agnostic self, I try not to let my opinion of people change do to what they have faith in but for most people it really matters. A truly devout christian see's an atheist as a heretic. *Okay, I'm not slamming religion here but listen to what I have to say I think that a president who is not religious, would be preferable to one that is, there should be no variables other than the greatest interest of the country that factor into a leaders decisions. Some pretty stupid shit has been done because religious leaders have been in charge. |
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RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. He wouldn't have. |
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QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. He wouldn't have. Atheist or not he's still black, I honestly think that was the deciding factor. All the black people wanted someone in office like them and all the white people felt bad about their racist pasts, and insecure about the racism going on, and subconsciously felt they were making up for it by voting him in. Imo Aggra-Def said: Ahaha Call up Noah, 'cause the uninformed and laughable opinions from people only pretending to have any idea what they're talking about are about to flooooood in. I take it by your profile, that your not a terribly religious person. But you just made a religious metaphor... you're fucking my mind right now. |
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OGHelios said: Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Thomas Jefferson was a deist by every sense of it. Lincoln was Christian. And no, there has never been an open American atheist as president. RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. lol not even close. |
DingoBingo said: Atheist or not he's still black, I honestly think that was the deciding factor. All the black people wanted someone in office like them and all the white people felt bad about their racist pasts, and insecure about the racism going on, and subconsciously felt they were making up for it by voting him in. Imo Minorities have almost always tended to vote democrat. There are more people who think Obama is a muslim, or wouldn't have voted for him because he was black. |
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DingoBingo said: QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. He wouldn't have. Atheist or not he's still black, I honestly think that was the deciding factor. All the black people wanted someone in office like them and all the white people felt bad about their racist pasts, and insecure about the racism going on, and subconsciously felt they were making up for it by voting him in. Imo Err....the majority of white people DIDN'T vote for Obama. Furthermore, the Hispanic vote (which turned out to be the deciding factor in the 2012 elections) were won overwhelmingly in Obama's side. They obviously weren't voting for him due to his race, and IMO neither were most Americans. Don't get me wrong....Obama has NOT been a good president. But compared to the GOP, he's a saint. |
QueenJenny said: Minorities have almost always tended to vote democrat. The more you know. JustALEX said: Err....the majority of white people DIDN'T vote for Obama. Furthermore, the Hispanic vote (which turned out to be the deciding factor in the 2012 elections) were won overwhelmingly in Obama's side. They obviously weren't voting for him due to his race, and IMO neither were most Americans. The more you know. Alrighty then, seems like i wasnt edumacated enough to make a point like that. I'm gunna go cry in a corner and feel ashamed Have a nice day |
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DingoBingo said: QueenJenny said: Minorities have almost always tended to vote democrat. The more you know. Mostly because of FDR, iirc. |
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JustALEX said: OGHelios said: Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Thomas Jefferson was a deist by every sense of it. Lincoln was Christian. And no, there has never been an open American atheist as president. Jefferson never identified himself as a deist, just like Lincoln never claimed to be a Christian. |
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JustALEX said: OGHelios said: Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Thomas Jefferson was a deist by every sense of it. Lincoln was Christian. And no, there has never been an open American atheist as president. RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. lol not even close. Obama got 61% of the electoral votes and 51% of popular votes, while Romney only got 38% and 47% respectively. Most of the people who really care about religion (i.e. being a Christian) probably already voted for Romney, not Barrack Hussein Obama. |
QueenJenny said: JustALEX said: OGHelios said: Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? Thomas Jefferson was a deist by every sense of it. Lincoln was Christian. And no, there has never been an open American atheist as president. Jefferson never identified himself as a deist, just like Lincoln never claimed to be a Christian. They didn't claim to be atheists either. |
OGHelios said: Cupquake said: QueenJenny said: Cupquake said: I'm pretty sure all our presidents have been religious. Well that's not true. So now you know. Which ones? Off the top of my head, weren't Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln considered atheists? They had atheistic beliefs, but they were Christian on the outside. jefferson probably wouldn't be elected if he was open about his atheistic ideas. |
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JustALEX said: QueenJenny said: JustALEX said: Thomas Jefferson was a deist by every sense of it. Lincoln was Christian. And no, there has never been an open American atheist as president. Jefferson never identified himself as a deist, just like Lincoln never claimed to be a Christian. They didn't claim to be atheists either. I never said that. Jefferson was a unitarian. |
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DingoBingo said: I think it has to do with morals, the public usually see a religious man as a man with morals, the obvious choice in respect to a sinful atheist, and not to mention the majority of america is religious so they would naturally vote for someone they can identify with. ha ha..dude I used to be an agnostic, but then I got tired of people constantly asking what agnosticism is, then spelling it like "egnostic"...urghhh bad memories |
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Cupquake said: They had atheistic beliefs, but they were Christian on the outside. jefferson probably wouldn't be elected if he was open about his atheistic ideas. Is there any reason to believe that? |
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Cupquake said: ha ha..dude I used to be an agnostic, but then I got tired of people constantly asking what agnosticism is, then spelling it like "egnostic"...urghhh bad memories That sounds like a bullshit reason to change your beliefs. |
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Cupquake said: ha ha..dude I used to be an agnostic, but then I got tired of people constantly asking what agnosticism is, then spelling it like "egnostic"...urghhh bad memories You changed because of those reasons? Really? |
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QueenJenny said: I never said that. Jefferson was a unitarian. Most historians say Jefferson was a deist. To be fair, Lincoln might have been an atheist, but he wasn't open about it....either way his religious beliefs are that of debate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion What they really were....we'll probably never know. |
DingoBingo said: I think it has to do with morals, the public usually see a religious man as a man with morals, the obvious choice in respect to a sinful atheist, and not to mention the majority of america is religious so they would naturally vote for someone they can identify with. RandomChampion said: This is why democracy's a joke. All you need is a good name and a pretty smile.Most of the people who really care about religion (i.e. being a Christian) probably already voted for Romney, not Barrack Hussein Obama. |
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QueenJenny said: Cupquake said: They had atheistic beliefs, but they were Christian on the outside. jefferson probably wouldn't be elected if he was open about his atheistic ideas. Is there any reason to believe that? "The God Delusion" By Dawkins. Read it. |
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Tavor said: Cupquake said: ha ha..dude I used to be an agnostic, but then I got tired of people constantly asking what agnosticism is, then spelling it like "egnostic"...urghhh bad memories You changed because of those reasons? Really? yes. I could handle. The misspelling of "agnostic" once, but it happened three times. I mean, I guess we were in 7th grade but c'mon. Also I was a borderline atheist for most of my life. |
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JustALEX said: Most historians say Jefferson was a deist. Not really, and what I said was that he never described himself as a deist, even though deism was very popular at the time. JustALEX said: To be fair, Lincoln might have been an atheist, but he wasn't open about it....either way his religious beliefs are that of debate Anyone at all ''might've been an atheist''. That doesn't mean anything really. JustALEX said: What they really were....we'll probably never know. lol what |
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Cupquake said: yes. I could handle. The misspelling of "agnostic" once, but it happened three times. I mean, I guess we were in 7th grade but c'mon. Also I was a borderline atheist for most of my life. There's always going to be somebody to poke fun at you, you just have to learn to laugh with them. |
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QueenJenny said: lol what I'm just saying that the religiosity of certain people are up for debate and we'll probably never know....but then again, like you said it doesn't mean anything. Nor does it matter. We shouldn't judge people by what they believe, we should judge them on their actions. |
JustALEX said: We shouldn't judge people by what they believe, we should judge them on their actions. Of course we should. |
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JustALEX said: We can't judge people by their beliefs because we can't read minds. But the moment they say it, it becomes an action.We shouldn't judge people by what they believe, we should judge them on their actions. |
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katsucats said: JustALEX said: We can't judge people by their beliefs because we can't read minds. But the moment they say it, it becomes an action.We shouldn't judge people by what they believe, we should judge them on their actions. True enough. But if a presidential candidate said he's an atheist, as opposed to another saying he is christian, that's not enough to make a final judgement on them and decide who is a better candidate. That's what I'm trying to say. |
DingoBingo said: QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: i'd bet that obama would win even if he were an atheist. He wouldn't have. Atheist or not he's still black, I honestly think that was the deciding factor. All the black people wanted someone in office like them and all the white people felt bad about their racist pasts, and insecure about the racism going on, and subconsciously felt they were making up for it by voting him in. Imo Then you clearly know nothing of politics. |
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| Politics is all about thinking something and saying something else. Chances there were hundreds of senators who were Atheists, but didn't say it because it would kill their chances of getting elected. |
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Regicide said: in america, you have to be protestant kennedy's election was won by his father's influence and mafia connections and fraud. I don't think it matters in Asian countries though Romney is a Mormon, and look how close he got to presidency. |
Hitchens said: That's probably the only reason Obama won. Would we have a black guy or a Mormon? Hmm...Regicide said: Romney is a Mormon, and look how close he got to presidency.in america, you have to be protestant kennedy's election was won by his father's influence and mafia connections and fraud. I don't think it matters in Asian countries though |
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katsucats said: Hitchens said: That's probably the only reason Obama won. Would we have a black guy or a Mormon? Hmm...Regicide said: Romney is a Mormon, and look how close he got to presidency.in america, you have to be protestant kennedy's election was won by his father's influence and mafia connections and fraud. I don't think it matters in Asian countries though Neither. |
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