| EA's game development is not something that's influenced anything, only their publishing has, so as "Game Makers" they are pretty useless. |
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| Mojang man. Mojang. |
| Squaresoft |
| Is there a reason why Blizzard is not on the list ... I could be wrong ... but I mean ... |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Is there a reason why Blizzard is not on the list ... I could be wrong ... but I mean ... was gonna say this |
BigSimo said: Because Everquest, Ultima Online and Dune 2 were made by Blizzard... I suppose they are influential in as much as they brought RTS and MMO games to the mainstream. Oh, and I suppose Warcraft 3 was indirectly influential by being the game that was modded to make Defense of the Ancients.Pirating_Ninja said: Is there a reason why Blizzard is not on the list ... I could be wrong ... but I mean ... was gonna say this And if we are going with influence through popularity, we might as well throw Infinity Ward and Rovio (Angry Birds, anyone?) in there too. As for historical influence, id software, anyone? |
Rosa_FOEtidaMay 4, 2013 3:24 AM
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| I'd say Blizzard for the top spot. Sure, they weren't the inventors of the MMORPG or anything like that, but they certainly made it popular. Just see all the hundreds of low-quality WoW clones for reference. Also, I've never seen so many previously non-gamers play a game (that isn't casual) like WoW, just because their friends play it. It's a game that's known by practically every gamer and also many non-gamers; and it seems like most MMOs try to copy it, foolishly thinking that they'll 'copy' its success also. If that's not influential, I don't know what is. |
DateYutaka said: ...the only nation were PC Rules the market... This is bullshit. Agnostos said: Also, I've never seen so many previously non-gamers play a game (that isn't casual) like WoW... WoW is a casual game though, it has always been one of the most casual and approachable MMO's on the market (that's one of the reasons it became so popular). As for being influential... that is debatable. As was already mentioned, all Blizzard did was that they copied Everquest concept, slightly improved it and put it into an already established world and lore with huge fanbase from previous games. The result is that MMO genre didn't change at all since early 2000's, there is next to no inovation. Fortunately it seems that people are getting bored of it, and I hope for death of current MMO's so the entire genre can finally move from shitty quest grinding concept and start anew. |
DateYutaka said: the FPS genre is relatively new when compared to adventure games, RPGs etc. due to technical limitations of early computers, but it's also one of the biggest in the west. Making the most notable early examples of said genre makes you influential, perhaps not in Japan or Korea, but certainly in the western world.Id are to young they dont have the lineage or the out put rate and sorry i id say GRAVITY over Blzzard cuase the fact that GRAVITY Dominate tthe sceen in thee native land in the nation [ the only nation were PC Rules the market] MMO are popular in the US[ and the west ] and Japan but the PC Market is 2nd to the Console one while in South Korea The Market has and always will be PC dominated As for Blizzard vs Gravity, need I remind you that WoW isn't the only game Blizzard have made? They also made this game called Starcraft. I don't know how much more popular Ragnarok is compared to WoW in South Korea (probably a fair bit), but Starcraft is pretty much a national sport there. |
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DateYutaka said: NAME ME ONE other nation were PC Games outsell console games bt the margin they do in south korea Here in Europe, PC games outsell console games (UK probably being an exception). I actually asked a friend of mine who works in one of the largest game distribution company if he knows an approximate ratio and it's apparently around 70:30 in favor of computer games. Although the console market is growing fast, so the ratio will probably be even in a few years. For all I know, the ratio might be even higher in Korea, but it's definitely not the only country where "PC dominates" (for now, at least). FOE-tan said: As for Blizzard vs Gravity, need I remind you that WoW isn't the only game Blizzard have made? They also made this game called Starcraft. I don't know how much more popular Ragnarok is compared to WoW in South Korea (probably a fair bit), but Starcraft is pretty much a national sport there. Brood War was, SC2... not so much. Blizzard themselves killed BW progaming scene just to promote their newer product, which pissed off a lot of Korean progamers. In terms of progaming, SC2 is way behind League of Legends. |
Amadyeus said: ^ Way to over-exaggerate boy. Not really. |
| Not really in order.. 1. HAL 2. Intelligent Systems 3. Rare 4. Capcom 5. Namco 6. Naughty Dog 7. Insomniac Games 8. Ubisoft 9. Square Enix 10. Valve |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| This is the same old schtick from you... You post a vague list of developers/games/system, you say they are the best/most influential and ask for feedback on it. If someone disagrees or comes up with something better, you don't really argue the point, you simply say they are wrong because they do not share your opinion. It's topics like this, and you have made many JUST LIKE THIS which is the main reason I can't stand you.  ^---You in every topic you make! |
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| Blizzard North Bullfrog Productions Old Maxis Ion Storm Old BioWare (Baldur's Gate) Ensemble Studios Blue Byte Software Westwood Studios Looking Glass Studios Cyan Worlds I hardly know most of the devs from OP either but I'm guessing you will be the same with most of my list. |
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| Yeah that's how the gaming industry generally works. The best talent end up being poached by the big publishers. Most of the devs I just listed are still working but most are in branches of EA/Ubisoft etc now. DateYutaka said: no devs fron your own nation either is see like DMA or Pygnosis my list if you include my Honorable mentions has quite alot of of international feel yours is us centric Yeah well to be fair I'm not a hopeless nationalist like you Date. The games I like are the games I like regardless of where they came from. A lot of the developers are internationals too, it's just like I said before, the best talent go to the biggest publishers. Where are all those? I think you will find it's the US. Peter Molyneux and most of Bullfrog were British too before they got butchered. |
ReasonDesuJul 30, 2013 2:12 AM
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| BioWare and Mojang. Nuff said. |
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DateYutaka said: most people do not ague there points wile i do like for example this tpoic i could back up all mine not one person has tried to back up theerrs Because no one cares that much. They like the developer because of their games. No need to go into detail. |
DateYutaka said: HKA-4M-T7 said: BioWare and Mojang. Nuff said. not like biowere exists any more now the head guy and founder is gone its going going to just be a name on a game with no meaning to it With that logic Nintendo hasn't existed for over a century We still have the great games the company produced, so that's pretty irrelavent to bring up. |
| Pikachu wants some |
| What are your points, there so fucking wrong I Don't even know where to begin? Okay I'll take a shot DateYutaka said: Gravity dominates Activision/Blizzard in the MMO Scene? Since when? Looking at the two companies we see that Gravity has a revenue of $40 million (in 2006, although at the time indicated a decline in total revenue) whereas Activision/Blizzard in 2012 had a total revenue of $4.85 billion (and is increasing) ... Then we could compare the two MMO's side by side of each company. We have World of Warcraft vs. Ragnarok Online (most popular mmo of each company respectively) ... Not only is World of Warcraft the largest MMO in revenue but also the largest game ever created. Never before has a game been as successful ... To think that Ragnarok online is larger than WoW would mean you have absolutely not concept of the MMO world (which admittedly Japan really doesn't, not only w/ the lack of access to steam, but w/ the xenophobia Japan exhibits towards Western video games in general as you so clearly exhibit)and sorry i id say GRAVITY over Blzzard cuase the fact that GRAVITY Dominate tthe sceen in thee native land in the nation [ the only nation were PC Rules the market] MMO are popular in the US[ and the west ] and Japan but the PC Market is 2nd to the Console one while in South Korea The Market has and always will be PC dominated DateYutaka said: thus MMO in Asia are for more Infulane on the game sceen then in the west cause there is still a Social gaming sceen in Asia un like in the US/west Japan's MMO's are more influential than the West's? Uhm ... Do I even have to ... Okay fine. Let's put it to the test, now oddly you list "Starcraft" as a fucking video game company ... STARCRAFT IS A GAME PRODUCED BY BLIZZARD, THE SAME COMPANY BEHIND WOW GENIUS ... The fact is, that THE MOST influential game in Korea, is a game produced by Blizzard. Also you say that Asian MMO's are better than Western MMO's yet WoW has dominated the MMO scene UNOPPOSED for the last 10 years almost. Both in profit and player base, I think you underestimate just how big WoW is ... It isn't just some shrimp of an MMO ... Now let us move on to where Korea actually does gain some ground, Free to Play MMO's, it is true that they most likely dominate this market ... However unfortunately again, they DO NOT dominate the Free to Play market in terms of PC games due to games like TF2 or more obviously League of Legends and DOTA2 which I don't even know if Japan is aware of =/ ... Currently one of the most rapidly growing game genres, MOBA's are quickly growing massive player bases. Ironically, even MOBA's can be traced back to Warcraft 3 where DOTA was a custom game map. From there former Blizzard developers formed Riot (creators of League of Legends) as well as Joined Valve (Company behind Steam) to create DOTA2 ... The player base of these games combined with games like WoW are the reason why the PC Market is still dominated by the West and not by continental Asia (Counting Japan, a country that is actually visually lagging in the PC Game Industry, along with Korea, would be foolish) If you want links to anything I have said to prove it I will be more than happy to, but I really don't care too much, I spent way too much time looking up this shit as it is. Your claims are ridiculous, I'll leave it at that. |
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DateYutaka said: You don't even read my arguments (or just brush them off to the side), nor read your own quotes. Go back to arguing with yourself, your a waste of time to talk to. You can't even see your wrong when its smacking you upside the head.Pirating_Ninja said: What are your points, there so fucking wrong I Don't even know where to begin? Okay I'll take a shot DateYutaka said: Gravity dominates Activision/Blizzard in the MMO Scene? Since when? Looking at the two companies we see that Gravity has a revenue of $40 million (in 2006, although at the time indicated a decline in total revenue) whereas Activision/Blizzard in 2012 had a total revenue of $4.85 billion (and is increasing) ... Then we could compare the two MMO's side by side of each company. We have World of Warcraft vs. Ragnarok Online (most popular mmo of each company respectively) ... Not only is World of Warcraft the largest MMO in revenue but also the largest game ever created. Never before has a game been as successful ... To think that Ragnarok online is larger than WoW would mean you have absolutely not concept of the MMO world (which admittedly Japan really doesn't, not only w/ the lack of access to steam, but w/ the xenophobia Japan exhibits towards Western video games in general as you so clearly exhibit)and sorry i id say GRAVITY over Blzzard cuase the fact that GRAVITY Dominate tthe sceen in thee native land in the nation [ the only nation were PC Rules the market] MMO are popular in the US[ and the west ] and Japan but the PC Market is 2nd to the Console one while in South Korea The Market has and always will be PC dominated DateYutaka said: thus MMO in Asia are for more Infulane on the game sceen then in the west cause there is still a Social gaming sceen in Asia un like in the US/west Japan's MMO's are more influential than the West's? Uhm ... Do I even have to ... Okay fine. Let's put it to the test, now oddly you list "Starcraft" as a fucking video game company ... STARCRAFT IS A GAME PRODUCED BY BLIZZARD, THE SAME COMPANY BEHIND WOW GENIUS ... The fact is, that THE MOST influential game in Korea, is a game produced by Blizzard. Also you say that Asian MMO's are better than Western MMO's yet WoW has dominated the MMO scene UNOPPOSED for the last 10 years almost. Both in profit and player base, I think you underestimate just how big WoW is ... It isn't just some shrimp of an MMO ... Now let us move on to where Korea actually does gain some ground, Free to Play MMO's, it is true that they most likely dominate this market ... However unfortunately again, they DO NOT dominate the Free to Play market in terms of PC games due to games like TF2 or more obviously League of Legends and DOTA2 which I don't even know if Japan is aware of =/ ... Currently one of the most rapidly growing game genres, MOBA's are quickly growing massive player bases. Ironically, even MOBA's can be traced back to Warcraft 3 where DOTA was a custom game map. From there former Blizzard developers formed Riot (creators of League of Legends) as well as Joined Valve (Company behind Steam) to create DOTA2 ... The player base of these games combined with games like WoW are the reason why the PC Market is still dominated by the West and not by continental Asia (Counting Japan, a country that is actually visually lagging in the PC Game Industry, along with Korea, would be foolish) If you want links to anything I have said to prove it I will be more than happy to, but I really don't care too much, I spent way too much time looking up this shit as it is. Your claims are ridiculous, I'll leave it at that. key word i said Asian not Japanese An idiot who complains that he is the only one making any arguments but then proceeds to only read a single sentence of another's argument, and not even the quote which specifically said "WOW in te west is so differtent than I-ro and Gravity games are in Korea and what Japanese MMO are in Japan there played in a more Socal setting then WOW in the west [ thus MMO in Asia are for more Infulane on the game sceen then in the west cause there is still a Social gaming sceen in Asia un like in the US/west" Which, might I add, meant you were stating that Japan was included in the list of countries that have better MMO's than US/West (you could just say West but w/e) |
Pirating_NinjaJul 30, 2013 2:51 AM
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| I'd say Valve, Riot Games and Bungie. |
| To give a couple of my favourites/influential: Nintendo Irrational Games Valve PlatinumGames |
| Well seeing as influential is a very subjective term, these are the 10 that have influenced me to most 1. Nintendo 2. Squaresoft 3. Kojima Productions 4. Rare 5. Namco 6. Capcom 7. Sonic Team 8. Sega 9. Atlus 10. Level-5 |
Pirating_Ninja said: You do realize he's a troll right?DateYutaka said: You don't even read my arguments (or just brush them off to the side), nor read your own quotes. Go back to arguing with yourself, your a waste of time to talk to. You can't even see your wrong when its smacking you upside the head.Pirating_Ninja said: What are your points, there so fucking wrong I Don't even know where to begin? Okay I'll take a shot DateYutaka said: Gravity dominates Activision/Blizzard in the MMO Scene? Since when? Looking at the two companies we see that Gravity has a revenue of $40 million (in 2006, although at the time indicated a decline in total revenue) whereas Activision/Blizzard in 2012 had a total revenue of $4.85 billion (and is increasing) ... Then we could compare the two MMO's side by side of each company. We have World of Warcraft vs. Ragnarok Online (most popular mmo of each company respectively) ... Not only is World of Warcraft the largest MMO in revenue but also the largest game ever created. Never before has a game been as successful ... To think that Ragnarok online is larger than WoW would mean you have absolutely not concept of the MMO world (which admittedly Japan really doesn't, not only w/ the lack of access to steam, but w/ the xenophobia Japan exhibits towards Western video games in general as you so clearly exhibit)and sorry i id say GRAVITY over Blzzard cuase the fact that GRAVITY Dominate tthe sceen in thee native land in the nation [ the only nation were PC Rules the market] MMO are popular in the US[ and the west ] and Japan but the PC Market is 2nd to the Console one while in South Korea The Market has and always will be PC dominated DateYutaka said: thus MMO in Asia are for more Infulane on the game sceen then in the west cause there is still a Social gaming sceen in Asia un like in the US/west Japan's MMO's are more influential than the West's? Uhm ... Do I even have to ... Okay fine. Let's put it to the test, now oddly you list "Starcraft" as a fucking video game company ... STARCRAFT IS A GAME PRODUCED BY BLIZZARD, THE SAME COMPANY BEHIND WOW GENIUS ... The fact is, that THE MOST influential game in Korea, is a game produced by Blizzard. Also you say that Asian MMO's are better than Western MMO's yet WoW has dominated the MMO scene UNOPPOSED for the last 10 years almost. Both in profit and player base, I think you underestimate just how big WoW is ... It isn't just some shrimp of an MMO ... Now let us move on to where Korea actually does gain some ground, Free to Play MMO's, it is true that they most likely dominate this market ... However unfortunately again, they DO NOT dominate the Free to Play market in terms of PC games due to games like TF2 or more obviously League of Legends and DOTA2 which I don't even know if Japan is aware of =/ ... Currently one of the most rapidly growing game genres, MOBA's are quickly growing massive player bases. Ironically, even MOBA's can be traced back to Warcraft 3 where DOTA was a custom game map. From there former Blizzard developers formed Riot (creators of League of Legends) as well as Joined Valve (Company behind Steam) to create DOTA2 ... The player base of these games combined with games like WoW are the reason why the PC Market is still dominated by the West and not by continental Asia (Counting Japan, a country that is actually visually lagging in the PC Game Industry, along with Korea, would be foolish) If you want links to anything I have said to prove it I will be more than happy to, but I really don't care too much, I spent way too much time looking up this shit as it is. Your claims are ridiculous, I'll leave it at that. key word i said Asian not Japanese An idiot who complains that he is the only one making any arguments but then proceeds to only read a single sentence of another's argument, and not even the quote which specifically said "WOW in te west is so differtent than I-ro and Gravity games are in Korea and what Japanese MMO are in Japan there played in a more Socal setting then WOW in the west [ thus MMO in Asia are for more Infulane on the game sceen then in the west cause there is still a Social gaming sceen in Asia un like in the US/west" Which, might I add, meant you were stating that Japan was included in the list of countries that have better MMO's than US/West (you could just say West but w/e) |
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