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ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

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I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Shanks would flick his lightning bolt...

Apr 26, 2013 4:57 PM

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Alone is my all time fav villain, i likepretty much everything about him, personality, character design, seiyuu, powers of God, ect

Apr 26, 2013 5:56 PM

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ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

You said:
I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Say why he cant

Apr 26, 2013 6:01 PM

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lupadim said:

ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

You said:
I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Say why he cant

Kizaru could knock him out before he even knew what was going on.

Aokiji could conduct all of his power in a lightning rod esq. fashion.

Luffy could nullify his electricity aswell.

Apr 26, 2013 6:03 PM

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YorozuyaGinSan said:

lupadim said:

ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

You said:
I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Say why he cant

Kizaru could knock him out before he even knew what was going on. Aokiji could conduct all of his power in a lightning rod esq. fashion.

And I think that his power still below Marco.

Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together.

Apr 26, 2013 6:05 PM

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NeoAnkara said:

YorozuyaGinSan said:

lupadim said:

ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

You said:
I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Say why he cant

Kizaru could knock him out before he even knew what was going on. Aokiji could conduct all of his power in a lightning rod esq. fashion.

And I think that his power still below Marco.

Can't really gauge his power level from the fact we haven't seen him in a full decade... But yeah.

Apr 26, 2013 6:12 PM

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YorozuyaGinSan said:

lupadim said:

ArbitraryFate said:

lupadim said:

You said:
I am perfectly aware of that, but in this case, Ace was so much more powerful than Luffy that it's not even worth debating if Blackbeard was stronger than Luffy, having beaten Ace. Oh, how many times I've heard the Enel and Luffy argument. Yes, that was an exception. Yes, that was a BIG exception and if electricity hadn't been weak against rubber we all know Luffy would have ended up as a smoldering pile of ash. But that was an extremely rare, even if big, exception and cannot be described as the "normal case". Also, Enel can move at the speed of light? Kizaru is made of light and even he can't. Enel is made out of lightning. From what I can remember, lightning travels slower than light. In my opinion, Enel cannot defeat the whole of Marineford. He just can't.
The only reason Blackbeard was hurt by Luffy's Jet Pistol (which is not his "worst attack", by the way) is because he's careless. Maybe if Luffy had hit him with his most powerful attack as his first one, maybe he would have harmed BB significantly. Maybe.

But Luffy did significantly hurt him with Jet Pistol. But an Gattling Gun = 500000 Jet Pistols. It would be an OVERKILL. And yes, Enel could kill whoever he wants, as hes attack can instantly-kill anyone. And watch the anime again: He made an attack called 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.alotofzeroes watts. It would destroy Marineford EASILY. And lightining may not be at speed of light but is faster than the speed of sound ( way faster ) which would be the fastest attack in One Piece universe. Plus Kizaru SHOULD BE ABLE to move in the speed of light, he can't cuz the anime's Akuma no Mis are plotholes.

You said:
WB crew is not that strong? I'm sorry, but that is bullshit.
Ace showed Conqueror's Haki in the Luffy's flashback against Bluejam. The exact reason why he didn't use it isn't explained, but would it have actually been useful? I mean, he couldn't knock any of the important people out, like any of the Admirals (of course, usually Conqueror's only knocks out fodder) and even if he did knock out the executioners, it wouldn't have done much cause he would have been killed anyways.
Anyways, I'm sorry, but I'm too tired to make any real complex arguments right now.

He could have saved so much time from others, the only enemies that would be left would be pacifists, admirals, vice-admirals and shichibukais.

If you truly think that Enel could destroy Marineford along with some of the strongest characters in the series easily, then I have nothing more to say to you. Good day, sir.

Say why he cant

Kizaru could knock him out before he even knew what was going on.

Aokiji could conduct all of his power in a lightning rod esq. fashion.

Luffy could nullify his electricity aswell.

-> Enel can attack anything from anywhere, Aokiji, Kizaru and others would not even know that Enel exists

-> The only one alive would be Luffy

Apr 26, 2013 7:51 PM

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No Griffith guys? okay i call it.

Er....Seinen. If this was about Seinen or villains in general I'm sure he'd be at the top of a lot of lists.

Anyway, this is something HxH does really well. But, so far I'd probably pick Chrollo and Hisoka as my favorites from the series. Looking forward to when the Main villain of Chimera Ant comes into play, I hear a lot of good things about him and he's been mentioned quite a bit in this thread.

Blackbeard from OP is pretty great as well. Also, Yoshikage Kira from Jojo Part 4 is great. It'll be interesting to see the anime only fans reaction to him.

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johnyjohny said:
No Griffith guys? okay i call it.

Er....Seinen. If this was about Seinen or villains in general I'm sure he'd be at the top of a lot of lists.

Anyway, this is something HxH does really well. But, so far I'd probably pick Chrollo and Hisoka as my favorites from the series. Looking forward to when the Main villain of Chimera Ant comes into play, I hear a lot of good things about him and he's been mentioned quite a bit in this thread.

Blackbeard from OP is pretty great as well. Also, Yoshikage Kira from Jojo Part 4 is great. It'll be interesting to see the anime only fans reaction to him.

I wouldn't really consider Hisoka a villain/antagonist of the series.

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Alexx_ said:

insan3soldiern said:

johnyjohny said:
No Griffith guys? okay i call it.

Er....Seinen. If this was about Seinen or villains in general I'm sure he'd be at the top of a lot of lists.

Anyway, this is something HxH does really well. But, so far I'd probably pick Chrollo and Hisoka as my favorites from the series. Looking forward to when the Main villain of Chimera Ant comes into play, I hear a lot of good things about him and he's been mentioned quite a bit in this thread.

Blackbeard from OP is pretty great as well. Also, Yoshikage Kira from Jojo Part 4 is great. It'll be interesting to see the anime only fans reaction to him.

I wouldn't really consider Hisoka a villain/antagonist of the series.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I do either. Maybe at first, but as the series goes on I'm not really sure. I guess I just wanted an excuse to throw him out there.

"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

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insan3soldiern said:

Alexx_ said:

insan3soldiern said:

johnyjohny said:
No Griffith guys? okay i call it.

Er....Seinen. If this was about Seinen or villains in general I'm sure he'd be at the top of a lot of lists.

Anyway, this is something HxH does really well. But, so far I'd probably pick Chrollo and Hisoka as my favorites from the series. Looking forward to when the Main villain of Chimera Ant comes into play, I hear a lot of good things about him and he's been mentioned quite a bit in this thread.

Blackbeard from OP is pretty great as well. Also, Yoshikage Kira from Jojo Part 4 is great. It'll be interesting to see the anime only fans reaction to him.

I wouldn't really consider Hisoka a villain/antagonist of the series.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I do either. Maybe at first, but as the series goes on I'm not really sure. I guess I just wanted an excuse to throw him out there.

Heh, can't blame you. He really is an interesting and bit mysterious character.

Apr 26, 2013 8:28 PM

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Aizen immediately comes to mind.

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Aizen immediately comes to mind.

He's a good villain and all, but Gin really outshines him.

AnimePlanet community hates Aizen.

Apr 26, 2013 8:55 PM

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YorozuyaGinSan said:

toyall123 said:
Aizen immediately comes to mind.

He's a good villain and all, but Gin really outshines him.

AnimePlanet community hates Aizen.

Personally, I'm rather indifferent towards Gin. It may stem from what I believe to be his limited screen time (in comparison to Aizen) in the Arrancar arcs. But again, that's just me :)

Apr 26, 2013 10:04 PM

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Yes, he is weak-willed. He is so weak willed that hes power made him become crazy. After episode one, after hes first kill, is was clear that Light was totally mad and that went to the end of the anime. There first step for being a powerful character is facing the fact you have an capability, but Light failed at this damn basic step and went crazy.

Like I said, stop spouting bullshit. Did you read the manga? The manga as in the little sequel to Death Note. Here's how it went;

That is what happens when a weak-willed person gets the Death Note. Light going crazy had nothing to do with his will. Ryuk even acknowledges that Light is the strongest willed person he's seen. That even a normal willed person would've committed suicide within a day.

Apr 27, 2013 12:49 AM

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Dio Brando of JJBA due to the fact he is despisable but yet hard to hate him.

Apr 27, 2013 1:04 AM

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Aizen.
Everything is according to plan.

Apr 27, 2013 1:45 AM

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lupadim said:

jimbob1141 said:

lupadim said:

Nidalee said:

I didn't say most powerful anyway, even though blackbeard is powerful. Blackbeards story was very well written, if you are basing your favorite villain on power levels then well....

BB's story well written? Wtfff. He killed an guy, ran away, made an crew and is shooting at others now. You should check Naraku's history.

If that is how you perceive blackbeards story then you are a straight up retard.

One piece spoilers below :)

Honestly i don't even know what to say to someone who thinks blackbeards story is "killed some guy and ran away and is now shooting at people" you don'y exactly need to be a genius to understand blackbeards story >.> one piece doesn't exactly have the greatest plot ever, but blackbeards story was damn good

Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?

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That is what happens when a weak-willed person gets the Death Note. Light going crazy had nothing to do with his will. Ryuk even acknowledges that Light is the strongest willed person he's seen. That even a normal willed person would've committed suicide within a day.

This is how I remember Light-

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Shrabster said:

yhunata said:
That is what happens when a weak-willed person gets the Death Note. Light going crazy had nothing to do with his will. Ryuk even acknowledges that Light is the strongest willed person he's seen. That even a normal willed person would've committed suicide within a day.

This is how I remember Light-

Apr 27, 2013 2:29 AM

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This is how I remember Light-

How exactly does that translate to having a weak will? You're gonna tell me he didn't have a strong will because he

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Shrabster said:
This is how I remember Light-

How exactly does that translate to having a weak will? You're gonna tell me he didn't have a strong will because he

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Shrabster said:

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yhunata said:

Shrabster said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:

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Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

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Uchiha Madara, i like his idea that as long as there are winners then there will be losers and hate is born from love like the love of maintaining peace causes wars, his trying to create a dream world or The Matrix where everybody's wish can come true although the only problem is that his gonna control it so his a dictator

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Cell from Dragon Ball..

this Gohan going SSJ2 one of the most memorable moments i've seen in Anime anyway

Apr 27, 2013 4:59 AM

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Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

Also, I realise I haven't posted my take on this thread yet. Quite easy. Yagami Light. And no, it's not his will, not his smartness that raked me in. It's the character. Light had a conviction which he desperately wanted to bring out to the world even before attaining the Death Note. This eventually leads him to becoming Kira and creating the most unorthodox, most gripping battle I've ever seen. Of course, Lawliet also deserves credit for that, but he wouldn't have been as awesome without Light and vice versa.

Apr 27, 2013 5:08 AM

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I'll second Cell as well, he was BA too.

The forums are dark, and full of ego.

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yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

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yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

Apr 27, 2013 9:01 AM

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yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

What the fuck? How can someone that wants to be an god just because has a note, cries when is shooted and curses everyone when is losing be called strong-willed? Are you calling him strong-willed because he killed people?

I give up, you ran out of arguments and now is using the good and old "I am right and you are wrong so shut up now I'm going to cry at my corner". Geez.

Apr 27, 2013 9:03 AM

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lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

What the fuck? How can someone that wants to be an god just because has a note, cries when is shooted and curses everyone when is losing be called strong-willed? Are you calling him strong-willed because he killed people?

I give up, you ran out of arguments and now is using the good and old "I am right and you are wrong so shut up now I'm going to cry at my corner". Geez.

What the fuck? How does having bad ideas equate to a person having bad will? Please, for the sake of God, go learn some English first.

Apr 27, 2013 9:05 AM

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yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

What the fuck? How can someone that wants to be an god just because has a note, cries when is shooted and curses everyone when is losing be called strong-willed? Are you calling him strong-willed because he killed people?

I give up, you ran out of arguments and now is using the good and old "I am right and you are wrong so shut up now I'm going to cry at my corner". Geez.

What the fuck? How does having bad ideas equate to a person having bad will? Please, for the sake of God, go learn some English first.

Now you are using my grammar as an argument. Light was more strong-willed than you certainly. And you has to be EXTREMELY weak-willed to have a waker will than Light's.

Apr 27, 2013 9:09 AM

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lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

What the fuck? How can someone that wants to be an god just because has a note, cries when is shooted and curses everyone when is losing be called strong-willed? Are you calling him strong-willed because he killed people?

I give up, you ran out of arguments and now is using the good and old "I am right and you are wrong so shut up now I'm going to cry at my corner". Geez.

What the fuck? How does having bad ideas equate to a person having bad will? Please, for the sake of God, go learn some English first.

Now you are using my grammar as an argument. Light was more strong-willed than you certainly. And you has to be EXTREMELY weak-willed to have a waker will than Light's.

I'm not using your grammar as an argument. I'm using your incapability to understand words as an argument. You don't understand what being weak-willed is at all. Luffy went crazy after waking up at the Isle of Women when you-know-what happened at Marineford. But hey, he's from One Piece and he doesn't kill people, so he's not weak-willed, right?

Apr 27, 2013 9:11 AM

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yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

lupadim said:

yhunata said:

Shrabster said:
Well, I wouldn't necessarily call him weak willed and I agree that calling him completely weak willed would be a stretch, but stubbornness =/= strong will, and he was only strong willed when he was seemingly winning or had an advantage, so I hesitate to call him strong willed.

He's more than normal willed, at the very least. Ryuk stated that a normal human would lose his mind within days of attaining the Death Note, so Light definitely isn't a normal-willed person. So, he's either strong-willed or somewhere in between.

But he did lose his mind!

How the fuck does any of that translate to him being weak-willed? Admit it, you're just mad because his actions and thoughts goes against yours and since you're right, he's wrong.

What the fuck? How can someone that wants to be an god just because has a note, cries when is shooted and curses everyone when is losing be called strong-willed? Are you calling him strong-willed because he killed people?

I give up, you ran out of arguments and now is using the good and old "I am right and you are wrong so shut up now I'm going to cry at my corner". Geez.

What the fuck? How does having bad ideas equate to a person having bad will? Please, for the sake of God, go learn some English first.

Now you are using my grammar as an argument. Light was more strong-willed than you certainly. And you has to be EXTREMELY weak-willed to have a waker will than Light's.

I'm not using your grammar as an argument. I'm using your incapability to understand words as an argument. You don't understand what being weak-willed is at all. Luffy went crazy after waking up at the Isle of Women when you-know-what happened at Marineford. But hey, he's from One Piece and he doesn't kill people, so he's not weak-willed, right?

Of course Luffy went crazy; Hes brother DIED. But well, when things are going bad for him, he doesn't started crying and such. Instead, he solves the problem with intelligence and without screaming like a bitch.

Apr 27, 2013 9:13 AM

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Souther from Fist of the North Star. His fight with Kenshiro at the pyramid was epic, he was a completely unconventional opponent, and even Raoh respected him. He's honestly more of a big bad than Raoh was and felt motivated to do what he did while Raoh was just sort of in it for the lulz.

Apr 27, 2013 9:14 AM

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Stop with those quote towers...
Light wasn't weak willed his will was very strong at least when he was winning.

And there is more to good villains than how strong or weak their will is...

Humans are disgusting

Apr 27, 2013 9:14 AM

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lupadim said:

Apr 27, 2013 9:17 AM

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yhunata said:

lupadim said:

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