| Episode 76 ruined so much of the canon, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Kite TOLD Gon about Ging after he saved him, he's the one who told him he was alive (remember Mito said "how did Gon find out about Ging and hunters) In other words, Kite's the reason Gon wanted to become a hunter, and find Ging. he was the reason the whole series started . He even gave Gon Ging's hunter license which was with him, and Gon shows that license to Satotz and he explains how it belong to the only person who passed the 267th exam; Ging. (Gon never told him he was his dad). In this version it looks like Kite just saved him and went away. Most of this episode was filler. If you really want to know what happened, I suggest you watch episode 1 of the first anime. Just the first half. |
LunaApr 26, 2013 10:10 AM
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| ^ That didn't make any sense. Kite WAS the reason it started. Without him, how would Gon know about his dad, or hunters? |
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| Kite ? who is Kite ??? |
lightline said: Kite ? who is Kite ??? Kite  |
Ruii said: I just read chapter 1 of the manga, there were 8 pages showing Kite and telling Gon about Hunters and his father being alive. In this adaptation Gon (completely clueless/doesn't talk to people) doesn't know that Hunters exist until Kite told him. We all know that Hunters are very famous since people from all over the world know what they are. The license is very expensive. In Madhouse's adaptation, everyone in Whale Island know about hunters because one of the residents, Ging is one of the best hunter there is. So it makes sense that Gon knows about hunters. I don't remember how Gon found out his father was dead/alive, have to re-watch. But basically, it makes sense. Regarding the relationship between Gon and Kite, it is definitely tampered, but they could do Uchuu Kyoudai style (a show on the same network) and show more flashbacks as the episodes come. This formula is really effective in Japan and enhances emotional effect of scenes and flashbacks. Because the flashbacks are continuously built up rather than showed all at once. IDK if that's what they're gonna do. I'm just gonna keep watching to see where this leads. Mikasa, you're right about this being completely different with the manga though. In the 1999 adaptation Kite also told Gon his father was a hunter. |
| I think some people just need to take a breath It's only been one episode c'mon. You're saying the entire arc is ruined because Gon and Kite don't have as much of a deeper relationship right now as it did in the manga I partly understand that point of view. In the anime's universe, Gon and Kite's connection as of this episode consists of - Kite saved Gon from Foxbears - Kite is Ging's student who looked for Ging just as Gon is doing now We still don't know how the future is going to present itself, their relationship can and has to deepen from this point in order for the rest of the arc to make sense in this particular adaptation. Point is wait until the arc is further in before making these judgments!! The same thing now is happening that occurred during the Chimera Ant arc's release as a manga in its many hiatus', criticizing without seeing the entire picture! Now, its story is highly lauded. Not saying it can't get worse but judging something partway doesn't make sense In the reboot Gon becomes a Hunter because he found out* he was abandoned by his dad was to become one. So Gon's goals in episode 1 were 1. Find out what's so great about being a Hunter it can make a father abandon his son 2. Along the way find Ging The anime's universe still makes sense. It's a different permutation of the way it happened in the manga however. **Ging leaving Gon because of his job as Hunter was common knowledge on Whale Island in the reboot! Thanks to Ruii and Bobzilla, forgot about that. |
HybridMBLApr 20, 2013 11:12 PM
MCAL said: As someone who's seen at least the 99 anime, I see where you are comming from. But think things through for a second, isn't there the possibility that MADHOUSE will create something else to explain things. Being upset is one thing, but don't jump to conclusions so quickly. As for Gon and Kite's relationship, we've already seen from Razor that Gon almost instantly respects people who are connected with his Dad and are incredibly powerful and from the preview it seems more time will be spent with Kite, so a relationship can develop very quickly. If they do then it'll be different seeing as they changed when Kite learned about Gon. In episode 76 they specifically show that Kite DID NOT mention that Gon's father was ging or even talk about hunters. Doing that completely shut off the possibility of "fixing" what they messed up with Kite. |
Hybridbloodszak said: I think some people just need to take a breath It's only been one episode c'mon. You're saying the entire arc is ruined because Gon and Kite don't have as much of a deeper relationship right now as it did in the manga I partly understand that point of view. In the anime's universe, Gon and Kite's connection as of this episode consists of - Kite saved Gon from Foxbears - Kite is Ging's student who looked for Ging just as Gon is doing now We still don't know how the future is going to present itself, their relationship can and has to deepen from this point in order for the rest of the arc to make sense in this particular adaptation. Point is wait until the arc is further in before making these judgments!! The same thing now is happening that occurred during the Chimera Ant arc's release as a manga in its many hiatus', criticizing without seeing the entire picture! Now, its story is highly lauded. Not saying it can't get worse but judging something partway doesn't make sense In the reboot Gon becomes a Hunter because he was told(probably from Mito?) he was abandoned by his dad was to become one. So Gon's goals in episode 1 were 1. Find out what's so great about being a Hunter it can make a father abandon his son 2. Along the way find Ging The anime's universe still makes sense. It's a different permutation of the way it happened in the manga however. Mito would be the last person to actually tell Gon of his father... We've kind of seen that already. The main point is that they changed their original relationship from the manga. They blatantly made it out so that Kite didn't tell Gon about his father. |
| the series is just doing great withouth that kite thing |
| Interesting post from someone else on another forum: |
HybridMBLApr 21, 2013 12:05 AM
| @ Hybrid You should spoiler that. I was spoiled in regards to that plot twist before so I don't really mind, but you will probably spoil more than a few people with that post. |
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insan3soldiern said: @ Hybrid You should spoiler that. I was spoiled in regards to that plot twist before so I don't really mind, but you will probably spoil more than a few people with that post. Forgot about that middle part sorry insan3soldiern : / |
| maybe they didnt feel the need to add the part of kite telling gon about ging and stuff... |
Mikasa said: Episode 76 ruined so much of the canon, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Kite TOLD Gon about Ging after he saved him, he's the one who told him he was alive (remember Mito said "how did Gon find out about Ging and hunters) In other words, Kite's the reason Gon wanted to become a hunter, and find Ging. he was the reason the whole series started . He even gave Gon Ging's hunter license which was with him, and Gon shows that license to Satotz and he explains how it belong to the only person who passed the 267th exam; Ging. (Gon never told him he was his dad). In this version it looks like Kite just saved him and went away. Most of this episode was filler. If you really want to know what happened, I suggest you watch episode 1 of the first anime. Just the first half. So I was right, 99' is better. |
j0x said: coldwave said: So I was right, 99' is better. 99 version is better just because of one episode or minor change? Ffs, can't you take a joke? |
| Gee, people are going crazy over this. The only that bothers me is the relationship between Gon and Kite, but it's too early to tell. |
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Billbillstar said: This worry is absurd. It's an adaptation, and this is but a sliver of the plot. It's all pre-plot, for the most part, as well. I could do without much of it - absolutely thrilled about this episode. Basically my sentiments. Purists often complain about the most inane changes from the source material, and I didn't expect much different here. For the manga, sure, Kite is a substantive plot element towards Gon becoming a hunter. With this adaption, however, it went through the point of going around that, though it still managed to put Kite in Gon's past (which I'm happy they did). There's still plenty of time to develop a deeper relationship between Gon and Kite that even the manga hadn't explored. I haven't seen any signs for concern yet; this adaption as a whole has exceeded my expectations. Oh, and: Mikasa said: Episode 76 ruined so much of the canon, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Each iteration of HxH - the manga, 1999, and 2011 versions - all are technically their own canon, despite any number of similarities or differences; the 2011 version slightly changed up Gon's past and his relationship with Kite to suit the tv show. |
DangerrApr 21, 2013 6:38 AM
Mikasa said: Episode 76 ruined so much of the canon, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Kite TOLD Gon about Ging after he saved him, he's the one who told him he was alive (remember Mito said "how did Gon find out about Ging and hunters) In other words, Kite's the reason Gon wanted to become a hunter, and find Ging. he was the reason the whole series started . He even gave Gon Ging's hunter license which was with him, and Gon shows that license to Satotz and he explains how it belong to the only person who passed the 267th exam; Ging. (Gon never told him he was his dad). In this version it looks like Kite just saved him and went away. Most of this episode was filler. If you really want to know what happened, I suggest you watch episode 1 of the first anime. Just the first half. No, watching the old anime doesn't matter at this point because Madhouse's adaptation changes the background setting ( as explained by others here's look at mr sticky 's post), it'd only confuse new viewers. Plus old anime's kite looked fug as hell. The soul of Gon's motivation remain the same: Ging being a hunter is the reason Gon wants to be a hunter. That's the key. MH's changes does not affect this one simple setting at all. Kite was the messenger of that info in the manga. In MH version kite became a different kind of important messenger to Gon in a different timeline, one that's only accessible after Gon has leveled up. That's a different kind of heavy weight of his significance. Moreover, MH added Kite being the one who gave Ging's card to Gon. It's a symbol of rite of passage and approval, thus elevating him as a father figure as he's someone who had the closest link to Ging and will mentor and adventure together with Gon. He's even more like Sirius in Harry Potter, the way the hero would relate to him. The relationship is different but also the same. I really like the changes of Kite being the one to give Ging's card (instead of a oops), and that Kite gave a fatherly approval to Gon after Gon has earned it (instead of an entry point figure). I am glad they didn't go with the awkward flashback route everyone expects. |
kcaco said: He does? Where'd you get that info?The relationship is different but also the same. I really like the changes of Kite being the one to give Ging's card (instead of a oops), and that Kite gave a fatherly approval to Gon after Gon has earned it (instead of an entry point figure). |
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| you guys complain at the beginning of each arc, just give it some time, until now this adaptation hasn't disappointed right |
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Hwaryun said: you guys complain at the beginning of each arc, just give it some time, until now this adaptation hasn't disappointed right I didn't complain at the beginning of Yorknew, Heavens Arena or GI :/ There's no "give it time", it's clearly messed up :/ |
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Mikasa said: Hwaryun said: you guys complain at the beginning of each arc, just give it some time, until now this adaptation hasn't disappointed right I didn't complain at the beginning of Yorknew, Heavens Arena or GI :/ There's no "give it time", it's clearly messed up :/ but if you think like that you won't enjoy it uwu |
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| You can't help but feel that way if you look at it the way I do. It can't be ignored. Kite was the catalyst. He wasn't just some stranger dude who saved Gon and went away. Sure, with the lack of Ging's license, it may not be a plothole perse, but the start of the series would be far less monumental. "some random fisherman from the island told me about Ging and hunters" |
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| I understand why most of you are upset, I am also disappointed that they changed it up. I feel like the emotional impact between Kaito and Gon won't be the same. @whoever read this: I don't think Gons aunt wanted Gon to find out about Ging because she knew he was going to try and look for him, but here it just showed that Gon already knew he was a hunter, it might be common knowledge that everyone on the island knew that Ging was a professional hunter but it never stated where he learned about it so it does leave a small plothole. |
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Dangerr said: LOL you are the worst anime apologist ever.Mikasa said: Episode 76 ruined so much of the canon, it doesn't even make sense anymore. Each iteration of HxH - the manga, 1999, and 2011 versions - all are technically their own canon, despite any number of similarities or differences; the 2011 version slightly changed up Gon's past and his relationship with Kite to suit the tv show. Hybridbloodszak said: Just curious but was he high typing this? I almost suffered from an aneurysm from reading this. Tell him to go back and read it, it's as if he failed to grasp Togashi view of the series and makes it seem like Togashi is writing HxH for his own greed which clearly he is not.Interesting post from someone else on another forum: |
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| @Noriko You disclaim someone's argument without elaborating why you disagree? Not really convincing people to think as yourself. The tone he wrote the post is besides the point whether you agree or disagree anyhow. What he said about Kite though I agree with myself, besides chapter 1 and the Chimera Ant arc, Kite is pretty irrelevant. In the manga, he was always loosely tied to Gon until CA. Still connected but just barely. If Madhouse only needs to change one thing in episode 1 which nullifies Kite's relevance completely for 75 episodes that kind of proves the point People thinking Kite is analogous to someone like Shanks in One Piece when he's really not looking at the whole series in context.Gon's goal isn't about Kite but Ging. Kite was merely the messenger in the manga to start Gon's ambitions of 1. Discover what's so great about a Hunter it can make a father abandon his son 2. Find Ging As of episode 76, Kite and Gon don't have as deep of a relationship as the manga at that point; that's a fact. Writing the whole arc off is completely ludicrous though as there is still plenty of time in this adaptation for Madhouse to deepen their relationship. You don't judge something until it can bee seen in its entirety. I can't watch the first 10 minutes of Return of The King and say the entire movie sucks. That's retarded Another post from another user which sums up a lot of my points concerning all this weaboo fanrage He is first referring to just sticking the chapter 1 flashback copy/paste from the manga which makes sense where it is in that context in episode 76 |
HybridMBLApr 21, 2013 9:53 AM
Noriko_ said: LOL you are the worst anime apologist ever. I'm being an apologist for pointing out the difference in canonicity between titles? The only point I've been trying to make is that many people are being unnecessarily purist over the whole thing. I personally have no clue why they didn't just show the original Kite - Gon exchange in episode 1 (perhaps they didn't know if the anime would make it this far?), but they didn't. Whatever the case, given how Gon left Whale Island at the beginning, it'd seem odd and/or contradictory to show a flashback saying "Oh, it was actually Kite who told me about my father, and influenced me to become a hunter". Instead, we got episode 76 which, again, I didn't find much issue with. It wasn't a copy of the manga, but I found that everything connects logically and fits thematically with what's going on. It's such a non-issue to me that, honestly, I'm dumbfounded at the strong response its gotten. Not angry or frustrated - just surprised. Anyways, if you'd elaborate your point a bit further, I'd happily discuss it. |
DangerrApr 21, 2013 9:11 AM
| I actually agree....with disregarding the episode and pretending it never existed :) |
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| I say this episode is better disregarded, since the manga made more sense, really. |
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| I don't really understand their reason for changing, i didn't even know how it happened in the manga until literally 5 minutes ago. i think the manga way was a lot better and honestly can't see why it would be changed >.> |
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MCAL said: gedata said: I say this episode is better disregarded, since the manga made more sense, really. So just because the manga made more sense, the anime doesn't make any sense at all. Because if I were watching it without knowledge of the manga or 99 series, this episode still made perfect sense to me. that's cool and all, but I would still recommend folks to go read chapter 185 if it's not much trouble. It's not really a huge deal in the long run though. |
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