| Ok since Im bored I decided to create this topic. As the title suggest, what is your reason for liking or hating Shirou? Is it because of his ideals? Or because he can summon a world that is arguable as GAR as Archer? Or is it because he gets a King, two Magi, a White Haired Loli and possibly Medusa? For me, it varies depending on the route. Fate Shirou I just do not like because of his ideals. UBW Shirou is about 50/50 for a bunch of reasons. And I like the HF Shirou hands down. |
| He's gay... He has a sheath while his errr male/female servant has the sword. He's gay... He looks ridiculous in doujinshi. He's gay... His hair turns white when he is still of middle age. He didn't do Ilya (no loli H-Scene). He's gay... He stole pretty much all his skills. He's gay... He's annoying... He's gay... and most of all...he made dickless Arthur the canon end...seriously wtf is up with that? Of course HF Shiro is immune to all of this criticism (flaming)! |
| I think that people put unnecessary criticism on Shirou for being who he is. The whole point of the three storylines was to phase out the three parts of a persons life: Child, Teenager and Adult. Of course Heaven's Feel Shirou, which was the 'Adult' Shirou would be the favourite, he actually has common sense and isn't so stubborn as to continue on with his ideals even after knowing their contradictions. I found Fate Shirou did piss me off to no end, but UBW Shirou I didn't have a problem with. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to play Heaven's Feel (I find it too hard to work through all that jap with my minimal knowledge), but based on the summaries and other sources, I do think he is the best Shirou. I say Shirou is a good character, but only for UBW and Heaven's Feel. If it weren't for all the important Saber storyline parts in Fate, I would almost suggest it be completely cut out of Fate/Stay Night (Fate Shirou is so crap lol). |
| You have a very good point their Raptor73. Its true though. The three routes in Fate Stay Night is suppose to represent the three stages in a man's life. The Fate route is suppose to represent a child in a mans life, in which the child embraces an ideal/dream to the fullest. While the UBW is suppose to represent a teenager or young adult in a mans life in which the teenager both embraces the ideal/dream and accepts the reality he's in. The Heavens Feel route is suppose to be the stage in a mans life when he is an adult, in which the adult abandons his ideal/dream of his childhood and accepts the reality to the fullest. You are suppose to read all the routes to full enjoy Fate Stay Night, although most people have just watched the anime and therefore hate Shirou because of that. Although some people do like Shirou and his ideals though. In reality I like him because of the development he faces in all three routes. |
| That's a nice interpretation of the three routes, but don't forget that they are alternate universes. Shiro received virtually no character development in Fate route, he grew up somewhat in UBW, and he became a man in HF! I find it quite amusing that his so called 'maturity' came from simple decisions like holding Saber back from attacking Archer to paying more attention to Sakura. He hey was ogling his kohai...and then he became a man! xD |
| Yeah well true that each route does represent a different alternate universe for Shirou and that in each individual scenrio there was no development at all. But if you read all route's then you can understand that with each scenrio that has a different situation then the character itself has pretty much developed or changed within the Fate Stay Night game itself. Although the whole factor of his "maturity" from simple decisions is abit weird. And no he did't become a man when he did Sakura-chan; he became a bastard who stole her innocence!! XD (and lets not even talk about her Nii-san) |
| I don't really like Fate Shirou. He's not a terrible character, but he does some stuff that just makes you cringe because he's such an idiot. UBW Shirou starts out the same as Fate Shirou, but towards the end he's a much better character, and outmanned Archer for reasons I think I've explained a few times. I tend to really like main characters that start out terrible but become great in the end, especially if it's barely noticeable as you progress through the story, but then go back to the beginning and think "Whoa, he really was different". As for his ideals and whatnot, I don't think that giving up on those kinds of things makes you an adult. Nor do I think that driving away fantasies makes you less of a kid. Part of what made me like UBW Shirou was that he wouldn't give up on his ideals no matter what, and would never regret his path no matter what. Giving up is definitely not manly. Hence, Shirou was more of a man in UBW than Archer was. Actually, I just altogether didn't like Archer in UBW. He was awesome in Fate though. Oh, and I haven't read the rest of the posts in this thread yet, I'll get to that now. |
| I just dont like him he looks like a Stic, he has babbysiters , combination of skeleton and Undead haired man. ...... compared to other FSN male characters Shirou = Zero. he should have died when Berseker attacked him in first meeting and then i dont know... maby Rin could be the new Saber's master [ for example] . But beat me ... ... Accualy theres only one thing i like in Shirou....... / He didnt have the pleasure to take away Sabers virginity thx God and TM xD [sorry if i will make somebody angry ^^ ] But on the other hand he supported "somehow" Saber and Rin, so he isnt such a whimp as he looks like. Thats my opinion. |
| I don't like Shirou much in the Fate route but I warmed up to him in the UBW arc. I admire his determination, GARness etc. Since he is best in HF I can't way to play that arc when it's finally released. ^_^ My verdict is that I like Shirou. |
| His chivalrous attitude gets in the way of things...he talks about justice and all that but it's usually in the wrong place and usually at the wrong time... |
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| I will personally speak only for Fate and UBW since i havent played HF.I likes a loooot Fate shirou.And i TOTALLY LOVED him at ubw. As i said many many times having these childish(yeah i agree their a re childish) ideals isnt bad.I dont think Shirou believed that he could save everyone.I believe Shirou wanted to be able to save everyone so much that he overlooked the truth in front of his eyes.After all it was a promise that made to the man he admired the most.In Fate i like him despite he protected saber so many times risking his life.It needs FUCKING COURAGE to jump in front of a huge Monster that swings a sword as tall as yourself.The only thing i didnt really liked at Fate Shirou was that he was incapable of putting a good fight. Ubw Shirou from the other hand,... hes just freaking awesome.When i played the game i couldnt help but admire him all way to the end.It need way more courage to confront your future self that says to you that YOU ARE GONNA REGRET every single decision you made in your life and have a painfull and lone death.Yet he fought for his ideals he never gave up and managed to make Archer remember his reason to fight.Not to mention that he CAN fight.Shirou using Unlimited Bladeworks was beyond epic.It was just fantastic.Shirou was beyond man in UBW and i cant help but like him. From what i hear hes even better at HF. So lets see if im gonna like him more with the 3rd patch :) |
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| Think of it this way. HF Shirou is GAR. |
PimpToad said: He's gay... He has a sheath while his errr male/female servant has the sword. I seriously hope you're joking. The sheath > the sword in Arthurian legend. Though Shiro himself, eh, ho-hum in Fate, "Better" in Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel. |
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| Well, actually Shirou is hated mainly because... He gets to *cough* three girls. |
| I like his voice and hate what's left XD |
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Fa11en said: Well, actually Shirou is hated mainly because... He gets to *cough* three girls. but then we'd hate Shiki 100x more :P |
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| Indeed Shiki was amazingly harem powers that noone else has :P Now that i played HFs i can certainly say that Shirou is By far my most favourite character from ALL game/mangas/animes i played till now in my life. Now why i like Shirou? 1)Hes fucking cool 2)Hes not afraid of anything(that wrong but i want to say that hes not a pussy and can challenge anyone) 3)When he says he will protect the woman he loves, HE WILL PROTECT THE WOMAN HE LOVES. 4)In 2 routes he managed to fulfill himself and follow his ideals to the end despite knowing hes harsh fate at UBW. Especially in Unlimited Bladeworks he needed Unlimited COURAGE to do that. 5)For all the awesome moments he offered us? Saving Saber Saving Ilya ,Saving Shakura Killing Kotomine, Killing Saber, Killing Gilgamesh, Killing his ideals. 6)CAUSE HE FUCKING OWNS ALL :P :P :P :P :P |
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| I hate Shiki (Tohno) A LOT TIMES MORE!!!!!11111one!!11eleven ARCUEID COME BACK T_T |
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| now i can tell i dont like Shirou in the first scenario i dont like him in the second scenario but i very like him in the third scenario |
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Obik said: He has the exact same personality in all of them.now i can tell i dont like Shirou in the first scenario i dont like him in the second scenario but i very like him in the third scenario I've been meaning to address this. The whole "Shirou's amazing in HF" thing. He's exactly the same personality wise in all of them. He whines more in the Fate route, but he's still the same. And if you guys are rating how much you like him on the cool things he did, then UBW Shirou is obviously the best, being he's the only one who became strong through his own abilities. Unlike Fate Shirou who was only useful for Avalon, and HF Shirou who gained all of his abilities from Archer. Not to mention giving up on your ideals is anything but respectable as a man. The way he acted about it wasn't so bad though. |
| Oh God Nanasen THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY SO LONG!!!! Thanks for help really. Thats why i said that Shirou Didn change and didnt gave up hid ideals etc etc.I know he did but something was wrong. And that is that everyone sayed that Shirou gave up his ideals like hes a different person.But his not!!!!!!!!!!! The circumstances made him abandon them his character is still the same.Even in UBW if he had a choise to kill Saber or Sakura to save many people when Sakura or Saber are innocent he would do it. Cause in the end Shirou is a Good person that can tell whats right and wrong.So Nanasen thankis for help again |
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Prath said: In Fate he's depicted as an almost rampant sexist, an example would be his comments about Ayako. What Shirou does in Fate is called chivalry, though he's overly forceful about it, lacking the politeness he should show to women. I don't remember any specific comments about Ayako. |
Prath said: Nanasen said: Prath said: In Fate he's depicted as an almost rampant sexist, an example would be his comments about Ayako. What Shirou does in Fate is called chivalry, though he's overly forceful about it, lacking the politeness he should show to women. I don't remember any specific comments about Ayako. He says it's good for her to get molested because it should learn her some femininity. I laughed. I'm quite sure they didn't include it in the anime though. I don't remember him saying that. Mind clarifying at which part he was saying that? Cloud1234 said: Oh God Nanasen THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY SO LONG!!!! Thanks for help really. Thats why i said that Shirou Didn change and didnt gave up hid ideals etc etc.I know he did but something was wrong. And that is that everyone sayed that Shirou gave up his ideals like hes a different person.But his not!!!!!!!!!!! The circumstances made him abandon them his character is still the same.Even in UBW if he had a choise to kill Saber or Sakura to save many people when Sakura or Saber are innocent he would do it. Cause in the end Shirou is a Good person that can tell whats right and wrong.So Nanasen thankis for help again Unfortunately alot of people think that because Shirou abandoned his ideals in HF he became a completely different person. His view on his ideals just changed, the way he acts will always remain the same. Although UBW I believe is the most naive Shirou because of him wanting to prove Archer wrong about the ideal. |
| I took that as a joke when he said it. |
| Its not joke but it doesnt have a negative meaning either. Hes just saying that Mitsuzuri isnt acting like a girl and if something like that happened it would be good for her to understand her place (like Akasiya Moka says :P) Of course shirou didnt meant that he actually wanted her to get raped -.- |
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FakerEmiya said: Unfortunately alot of people think that because Shirou abandoned his ideals in HF he became a completely different person. His view on his ideals just changed, the way he acts will always remain the same. Although UBW I believe is the most naive Shirou because of him wanting to prove Archer wrong about the ideal. Yeah thats what im trying to say. But i was never able to explain it right :S And what regards UBW Shirou its not like hes naive to me. The biggest part of this behavior is his ego in my opinion. And i mean it like that. Imagine yourself coming from Future calling you a liar and ur dream a fake. That you will regret all your life and everything you believe and love now.How would you react? I mean you cant even call him liar cause hes your real self.Once again i cant explain well what im trying to say ( i epic fail actually :( ) Anyways Archer sayed that he WAS happy with his life.Thats why he choose to become a guardian.The problem starts there.He thought that he could save a lot of people but instead he wasnt saving but cleaning... Thats when he started regreting everything. He also sayed that Shirous path ISNT wrong its just unlucky. And you cant actuallt call him naive when he even convinced Archer that hes right.If you remeber when Saber tried to tell Shirou who Archer really is he stopped her and told her that he knew right from the start and thats why he couldnt accept him. Shirou wasnt naive. Despite knowing the awful truth he remained faithful to his ideals and fought for them. Thats what means being a man. Faker would you like Shirou if he gave up his ideals on UBW instead of fighting Archer? You sayed that Shirou character doesnt change but he choosed to save Sakura instead. But in UBW hes character would have changed if he gave up his ideals.He would be a chicken and a liar. |
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| I sort of hated him while watching the first episodes of FSN, but now I just find him very irritating. |
| Personally, I like Fate Shirou, and UBW Shirou is just awesome =3 But, even if didn't finish HF yet... I HATE HF SHIROU. Because he betrayed himself. And he didn't kill his ideals because they were impossible, but for Sakura. I find this pathetic >_>. So THIS is an adult... |
| He betrayed his previous self but he found himself a new ideal. Sakura is his new ideal. Because the ideal Shirou wanted was to be able to save someone, may it be everyone or just one person. That's the ideal that Shirou wanted, and when he found someone that needed to be saved, Sakura, that became his new ideal and that was what helped him strive forward and reach his goals beyond his limits, and at the same time make Sakura happy. |
| Maybe, but he let people die for his ideal. Tohsaka knew that she couldn't save everyone, but she still knew that the best was to end Sakura's life. For me, the "idealistic" Emiya and the HF Emiya have one common point: They ignore the reality for their ideals. Personally, Loved One or not, I think that it is criminal to let 60 innocents (per day) die for maybe saving one another. |
| Well he knew that by choosing to protect Sakura others will die, the guilty of his old self will judge him. That's why he decided not to strive forward on the fact that others will be killed and that his self will destroy him but on the fact that he will be the one to protect Sakura from everything and he'll take the blame for her, for everything she has done and for everyone she has killed. He became an anti-hero; that's why Kirei also explained that to Shirou in Heavens Feel. He took the blame for Sakura from everything by deciding not to end Sakura's life and choosing to save her instead. He hoped on some miracle and a possibility beyond human powers that she can be saved. But Shirou embraced the reality more than his ideal in Heavens Feel though. He knew the reality behind his ideals and that he couldn't make Sakura happy because he knew he won't survive in the end, but a miracle happened, a hope intervened and that was Illya. |
| I didn't finish HF, so I won't try to understand what you tried to say about Ilya "^^. Yeah at least Shirou understand that he can't save everyone. [HS] That's what make him better than so many stupid RPG characters, who are more idealistic than Fate Shirou and who lead to world to its end to save a girl met 5 minutes ago >_>.. And of course this one will still say that he do everything for the world... [/HS] But I still prefer someone who tries to save the more he can to someone who sacrifices many lives to save only one (or a few) persons. =) |
| Akinori Fate and Ubw Shirou didnt had the choise " Kill the one i love to save more". Shirou had an ideal that wasnt his own yet he admired it. He loved it and made a promise to his father to follow the "Seigi No Mikata" way of life and become the Superheroe he couldnt be. You must take into considaration whats happening in its route to understand that Shirou is the SAME in all routes. At Fate he was actually trying to survive at start and fight as less as possible. He also didnt meet Sakura that much so he got feeling for Saber. Through the whole route we see that Shirou is "Thinking about his ideal" but what he mostly does is just following Saber around. Saber was also a good Person that didnt went against Shirous thoughts.In the end he didnt had to make a difficult decision betraying himself or not. In UBW the whole route is about the "Seigi No Mikata" ideal. Its the route that almost everyone keeps calling Shirou naive cause hes thickheaded and doesnt listen to Archer. I admire Shirou for protecting his beliefs so much. Some people say that he did it cause Archer was his Future self so he seemed like an idiot. He didnt want to believe that his all life would be pain and misery so he fought like a child to prove him wrong.Imo thats bullcrap. UbW Shirou realised that he would end like Archer.But he didnt regret it. He admire that ideal, he found it beautiful so he choosed to follow it. Yet i ask you: If Archer was dead by Gilgamesh and didnt saved Rin at the end, Do you believe that Shirou would destroy the holy Grail along with her and Shinji to save everyone? THE ANSWER IS NO. Shirou would prefer to die trying to save Rin even if that meaned that the world would be destroyed by the Grail or something. Thats his difference between a TRUE Seigi No Mikata like Kiritsigu and Shirou. Kiritsigu was a "machine" killing anyone if that would help saving more people. If he could kill one guy to save two guys he would do it. If he had to kill the person he loved the most to save 10 people he would do ti.Shirou wouldnt do that and that is proven in Heaves Feel. He falls in love with Sakura. Theyr relationship and love is WAAAAAY bigger than Saber and Rin. After all he started talking to both of them after the Holy Grail war started.So now he comes with the decision to kill the girl he loves(that IS innocent she didnt killed all those people like a serial killer who just wanted to kill) to save random people. There isnt anything more logical that protecting the one you love. He still follows his ideal but hes focused on protecting only and only sakura because Keeping Sakura alive is what he will make him most happy. He knows that he will die but still doesnt give up. Heavens Feel Shirou is three time more MAN that Ubw and 6 time More than Fate. Cause he fights with the impossible and still wins. In conclusion as i sayed Shirou is the same character in all routes. Yet in Fate everything goes according to his beliefs so theres no problem there. In ubw he fights against himself because he decides that he wont regret his life and that he will follow the ideal his father entrsuted to him.Shirou will keep saving as many people as possible.I dont know if at some point will become exactly like Kiritsigu a "true Seigi No Mikata" but at the game hes not.At heavens feel hes at the most difficult situation. Hes choise there IS the most logical thing. I mean think about it. Shirou loved sakura and Saber isnt even with him. If he kills Sakura he will stay alone. Hes bonds with Rin arent that developed.Choosing to protect the Person his loves is what he does and his still awesome :) As i sayed i dont believe he betrayed his ideals to save Sakura. Cause he never had the exact "ideal like Kiritsigu". Anyways Shirou <3 |
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| ... I think I agree, but not completely. After all, Lancer's master's name wasn't that important for Shirou :D. But still.. I would say that Fate/Stay Night takes place during the most important moment of Shirou's life, the moment which will determine his future. Shirou's personality doesn't change, but at the end of each route, he decide what will be is path, definitively. When we see Archer, he acted until the end of his life like a "Seigi no Mikata", and he still had a lover (probably Rin), and he lost her. But he died without regrets. So at this moment of his life, his choice was already made. edit: I want Ilya's route =3 |
AkinoriDec 24, 2008 1:41 PM
| Shirou always truly loved Sakura, but he was too dense to realize it and express it; and he'll forget about her when other people were in trouble, particularily Saber and Rin. He did realize it or come to accept that he always loved Sakura not until Sakura herself was in trouble(what a coincidence huh). Its just that his pure love for Saber and Rin started with admiration or crush into true love in their respective routes. He never betrayed his own ideals to save Sakura. He betrayed the ideals of his "old" self that which has kept him going for so long in Heavens Feel. Shirou "himself" was literally killing himself because his old ideal was taking it's toll on him and the crimes he has committed was weighing heavily on him. He was an empty void that had nothing, hence the reason why he said both him and Kirei are both alike with a void in their heart. But Shirou found something to fill that void with a new ideal the ideal to be Sakura's hero; he came to fill realization of this new ideal not until the very end of the route; but also at the same time making Sakura happy. As for Archer having a lover that is uncertain but we know of course he has experienced the same things that Shirou is going through in the Grail War. He knew who Illya was and who Saber was. Shirou personality never really changed just his path like you have mentioned at the end, and it the 5th Grail War pretty much determined his future as well. |
Purple_Grenadier said: Akinori said: Personally, I would not have been able to kill one person to save many. I didn't really like how Shirou insisted that he was betraying himself when he was really just acting like his usual self.Maybe, but he let people die for his ideal. Tohsaka knew that she couldn't save everyone, but she still knew that the best was to end Sakura's life. For me, the "idealistic" Emiya and the HF Emiya have one common point: They ignore the reality for their ideals. Personally, Loved One or not, I think that it is criminal to let 60 innocents (per day) die for maybe saving one another. ...That is, I think if he had tried to save everyone by killing Sakura he would have actually betrayed himself. Killing one person with your own hands is different than continuing to live knowing many people are dying. I can 100% understand you and i totally agree with you. Dunno if the others get your point though... Well at least i met someone that agrees with me :D |
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| ..I think I would. To accept the Holy Grail War also means to be ready to kill others. Anyway, I don't take risks. People die if they are killed, and they can't come back to life, even if Shirou kills Sakura. So: 1- To have a LITTLE chance to save one life, and to take the risk to lost many. 2- To kill Sakura right now. Personally, I prefer the second solution. But that's just me =) . And I never liked Sakura, so I can't really think like Shirou. "...That is, I think if he had tried to save everyone by killing Sakura he would have actually betrayed himself. " ..I don't understand. That's how Archer Emiya lived... |
AkinoriFeb 5, 2009 12:34 AM
| And Archer finally said that "he wasn't wrong". He doesn't regret what he did. So we can't really say that he betrayed himself. |
| In the end of UbW |
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| because Shiro is Ugly |
| His abilities are nice and all but then we can just turn archer for that although it is still emiya he doesn't whine as much but if anything I dislike Shirou because he stole Sakura T-T |
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SorrowBloodmist said: He is the main male character of FSN and Sakura's crush....I dislike Shirou because he stole Sakura T-T |
| Sorry, I'm lost. |
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