| If you look at it objectively (if that is even possible), the quality obviously has improved. There are so many things possible now that would have looked really shitty 20 years ago but honestly, i still prefer the animation in the classics, at least regarding the characters. Most of the characters are pretty much designed to look cute or handsome or even moe but it does not really appeal to me. |
DateYutaka said: the art is to moe to day thus is got worse So "moe" means "evil" in Japanese. Right? |
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rederoin said: jal90 said: DateYutaka said: the art is to moe to day thus is got worse So "moe" means "evil" in Japanese. Right? Obviously Just look at how bad the art is in every single of those so called 'moe'(although I have no idea what exactly people mean by that) anime. wow four out of over 200 go 2005 to 2013 and find anime that people use to judge this and find over 1000[ from the around 1700 relses ] that are not moe then i will let it go but if you find over 100 anime that fall in to moe that will prove me right |
DateYutakaJan 18, 2013 9:44 AM
| "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
DateYutaka said: rederoin said: jal90 said: DateYutaka said: the art is to moe to day thus is got worse So "moe" means "evil" in Japanese. Right? Obviously Just look at how bad the art is in every single of those so called 'moe'(although I have no idea what exactly people mean by that) anime. wow four out of over 200 Doesn't change the fact not all art is bad in whatever you mean with 'moe' anime. Those where just examples, i'm not going to waste my time looking up every single series with above-average art just to please you. |
rederoin said: DateYutaka said: rederoin said: jal90 said: DateYutaka said: the art is to moe to day thus is got worse So "moe" means "evil" in Japanese. Right? Obviously Just look at how bad the art is in every single of those so called 'moe'(although I have no idea what exactly people mean by that) anime. wow four out of over 200 Doesn't change the fact not all art is bad in whatever you mean with 'moe' anime. Those where just examples, i'm not going to waste my time looking up every single series with above-average art just to please you. thats is just cherry picking then simple |
| "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
DateYutaka said: rederoin said: DateYutaka said: rederoin said: jal90 said: DateYutaka said: the art is to moe to day thus is got worse So "moe" means "evil" in Japanese. Right? Obviously Just look at how bad the art is in every single of those so called 'moe'(although I have no idea what exactly people mean by that) anime. wow four out of over 200 Doesn't change the fact not all art is bad in whatever you mean with 'moe' anime. Those where just examples, i'm not going to waste my time looking up every single series with above-average art just to please you. thats is just cherry picking then simple No, they are proving the statement that all art is 'moe' anime is bad wrong. Its impossible to argue with you, isn't it? You're the one making the claim, you should proof of all if its bad, I'm not required to find proof to defend it untill you proof that all of it is bad or below average. |
| Well, as an example, I think the artstyles from Top Wo Nerae! and shows from Rumiko Takahashi like Ranma ½ is absolutely gorgeous, and I like it much more than most of todays overly shiny, and colorful art. I don't really disapprove of the new art, as long as it's not done too poorly, as a lot of them have been. Old school has more charm and personality, in my oppinion. In both new age and old age, there are both good and bad art qualities. |
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Not_Biased said: rederoin said: No, they are proving the statement that all art is 'moe' anime is bad wrong. Its impossible to argue with you, isn't it? You're the one making the claim, you should proof of all if its bad, I'm not required to find proof to defend it untill you proof that all of it is bad or below average. Argumentum ad ignorantiam - you claim that a premise is false because it has not been proven true . If you make a statement, you have to proof it. I'm saying he can't claim all modern anime art in 'moe'(whatever that means) anime is bad because he has no proof. Oh, and its bad in your opinion. You really need to learn what an opinion is. |
rederoinJan 18, 2013 11:30 AM
| I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: |
jal90Jan 18, 2013 11:39 AM
jal90 said: I really liked that movie, they totally changed the artstyle and mood from their normal adventures.I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: |
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IntroverTurtle said: jal90 said: I really liked that movie, they totally changed the artstyle and mood from their normal adventures.I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: Agreed. It was a very pleasant surprise and I found it very rewarding as it clearly didn't mean to be a canon product but a personal reinterpretation on the series, unlike the other movies. And its visual imagery is incredibly mesmerizing. |
jal90 said: Yeah I agree with that, the other movies had a similar formula and feel to them, this was totally different, but worked well. The art was great, the flower and the goldfish were cool.IntroverTurtle said: jal90 said: I really liked that movie, they totally changed the artstyle and mood from their normal adventures.I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: Agreed. It was a very pleasant surprise and I found it very rewarding as it clearly didn't mean to be a canon product but a personal reinterpretation on the series, unlike the other movies. And its visual imagery is incredibly mesmerizing. |
Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
jal90 said: I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: One Piece movie 6? |
SetsukoHara said: jal90 said: I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: One Piece movie 6? Yep. |
| Although I watch much more new anime I agree completely with MaedhrostheTall. It feels like people are not always putting all their effort into their art nowadays,but that there isn't anime with quality art like Redline or perhaps Mardock Scramble, its just rare to find. What movie are you guys talking about anyway? Edit: Oh its OnePiece, I just never could get into that =/ |
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| What are you on? New art is way better than old. I can't even watch anything from earlier than mid-2000s the art is so bad with a few exceptions (Akira bluray) The shading is better, lighting is more realistic, characters are less crazy but more attractive, colouring is infinitely, objectively better, and animations are far smoother. If you want to talk about the quality of anime then fine, but I can't believe people honestly can't see how artwork has been on an upward trajectory since forever. Guys, come on, look at anime like Summer Wars and Clannad, for example, that have fantastic art. Polar Bear Cafe and Nichijou have simple but very aesthetically pleasing, fun animations too. "Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai." and Durarara also have very unique and beautiful art styles. |
forfrosneJan 18, 2013 1:44 PM
Not_Biased said: rederoin said: No, they are proving the statement that all art is 'moe' anime is bad wrong. Its impossible to argue with you, isn't it? You're the one making the claim, you should proof of all if its bad, I'm not required to find proof to defend it untill you proof that all of it is bad or below average. Argumentum ad ignorantiam - you claim that a premise is false because it has not been proven true And yes, it's bad and detrimental, just because you like it does not mean it's not bad. @ Redorin, dont try to fake ignorance by the "whatever moe means" "whatever you mean by that" Dont be a Judas. You like it accept it and dont deny it, you appear to be a hardcore moe lover to fake ignorance, if you think moe does not exit, or its in peoples heads or simply dont know what it means here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_%28slang%29 Im not sure to classify it bad, but todays dominating trends have played significant role in the detriment of art style as a WHOLE/GENERAL. and further, anime in general. Before 2005 we were on good track. And not everything is bad, but I honestly would never find the best examples of excellent art style in the 2000s in todays trends. I cannot even call good art style that of "godly" kyoani and its the darn same in most of their own series and its looks the same as other studios productions as well, a big number of anime todays share too many similarities in art style for my preference, be kyoani, shaft, jc staff, A.1 pictures, P.A. works, etc, That stop me from loving todays anime a lot: NO. DO I find all art style bad? NO. In General: YES. When I am asked if it has become worst -in general-: YES. Why do some of us as so fixated in mentioning : moe and or fanservice? because the detrimental in art style ----and in more: character development, story-- can be found more strongly precisely in moe, fanservice, ecchi anime, for me its way too evident there and since this type of anime its dominate today... jal90 said: IntroverTurtle said: jal90 said: I really liked that movie, they totally changed the artstyle and mood from their normal adventures.I don't know how much does it work at proving any point in this thread but I just need an excuse to show this image: Agreed. It was a very pleasant surprise and I found it very rewarding as it clearly didn't mean to be a canon product but a personal reinterpretation on the series, unlike the other movies. And its visual imagery is incredibly mesmerizing. Were you not the one to say "cherry picking much" Not like I dont agree wih you, as you probbaly are trying to say there is fabulous art style in modern anime today. I AGREE. Its RARE TO FIND IT, for me, but yes, there are excellent productions with good art style. Also as I said, what many of us consider good or bad art style just vary too much and too subjective, for me the picture you post looks awesome (And I LOVE ONE PIECE --- mind you its helps a lot that One Piece is an anime/manga born in the 90s, with its author in love with Toriyama and DB which were born in the 80s)- very unique art style) but I am not fixated in backgrounds much as you seem to be, but charter designs are more important for me, not to say bg ar not but not, and in this aspect I will repeat myself for the xxth time: many of todays character designs look the same for me, plain and simply. As far as background go, I prefer the hand drawn backgrounds of Porphy no Nagai Tabi rather, or the beautiful backgrounds of studio Ghibli productions. |
9988Jan 18, 2013 1:45 PM
| I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. |
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Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. You dont see it I see it and so many that have said the same along this thread as well. And no, I watch anime from many studios, my tastes are very wide, even some moe for good measure. Of course there are studios I porefer precisely because dont cater much or too significant to todays trends and usually their anime looks distinctly enough for the most part: Production I:G, TMS Entertainment, Gonzo its in former glory, Bones in general, TOEI, Nippon Animation, Madhouse, to name a few. I am liking David Production at the moment for Jojo. Loved ergo proxy btw. |
9988Jan 18, 2013 2:07 PM
bottosai-01 said: Although I watch much more new anime I agree completely with MaedhrostheTall. It feels like people are not always putting all their effort into their art nowadays,but that there isn't anime with quality art like Redline or perhaps Mardock Scramble, its just rare to find. What movie are you guys talking about anyway? Edit: Oh its OnePiece, I just never could get into that =/ Redline was only artwork and was LACKING in most other categories. Artwork alone isn't going to carry a story or characters. It just panders to the handful of eyecandy whores that exist in any given fandom. The "feeling" that the people who are making anime nowadays are not putting as much effort in their work as the people that made anime back in the day is largely misplaced and fabricated. |
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9988 said: Were you not the one to say "cherry picking much" Not like I dont agree wih you, as you probbaly are trying to say there is fabulous art style in modern anime today. I AGREE. Its RARE TO FIND IT, for me, but yes, there are excellent productions with good art style. Also as I said, what many of us consider good or bad art style just vary too much and too subjective, for me the picture you post looks awesome but I am not fixated in backgrounds much as you seem to be, but charter designs are more importation, and in this aspect I will repeat myself for the xxth time: many of todays character designs look the same for me, plain and simply. As far as background go, I prefer the hand drawn backgrounds of Porphy no Nagai Tabi rather than the extravagance you post, or the beautiful backgrounds of studio Ghibli productions. Well, this was a One Piece movie so the main characters are essentially the same as the series. The character drawing, however, is pretty stylized in the movie's very own way: I didn't mean to confront it with hand drawn backgrounds. This is absurd and missing my point (if there ever was, because I initially posted the image because I found it amazing and felt like sharing it). I still love Ghibli's hand drawn work for God's sake. But if there is something that I believe this image proves is that the CGI addition 1) doesn't detract by default from the "artistry" of a work, nor its creativity, and 2) correctly used it can be useful, and not a flaw by itself. I don't love this image because it looks clean, I love it because of its imagery and colouring, the shapes and the mix of all these traits to make an imaginative visual fantasy out of one environment. And by the way, I also love a great character design and am all for "characters over anything", but I don't think that detracts me from recognizing the merits of a good and creative background work because I also happen to love animation as a form of aesthetic expression. And if I've put this here is because it caught my eye, not because I have a special interest on one aspect above the rest or something. As said, I didn't even mean to give it a special significance in the thread, but now that it's been brought I can't help but find it as a perfect example of the futility of talking about absolutes in this topic. It contradicts the view of CGI as a tool of personal distancing from the work. Through this thread I have seen, over and over, the same arguments talking about moe and CGI (the typical elements in this discussion) as inherently good or bad, when it all is down to their use. Actually, I don't even know if CGI is the right term, but I guess you understand my point so whatever. |
jal90Jan 18, 2013 2:25 PM
Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same |
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| @jal90 I dont disagree honestly. Mostly I agree with your very even perspective, honest. Can help it as I am in love with how anime in the past looked, animation, art style, characters designs, "soul and heart", story, music, etc, EVERYTHING. --does not mean I dont enjoy or even love todays anime-- Cant heplp but bring in the cel era vs digital era as it directly affect how anime looks, therefore art style is affected directly too. Anyway, here an example of what I one of the artistry modern anime I have loved, for me the best Gonzo masterpiece, nit just for the art style of course, but viually was a delight for me, as extravagant as it was: Gankutsuou: Count of Monte Cristo BUT, will always prefer this:    But I really loved the cel to digital transition of Adachi sensei unique art style to the modern era, this is how new technology used right in my perspective:     |
9988Jan 18, 2013 2:46 PM
| ^ It certainly looks gorgeous (Gankutsuou, the other looks nice I guess but is not exactly a visual fest :P). I'll check it. |
jal90Jan 18, 2013 2:43 PM
Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. |
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Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. NO you got it wrong, preicesly what sometimes change is hair, etc color. As noted above, male leeads will look almost the same on the other hand, good examaple check few pages back. To me all these series share the SAME AIR, share extremely similar art style, with female characters devoid of distinctive traits to distinguish them form one another, let alone find memorable. ALL from this season alone.         Lets see how thing looked in october 1987 and see the "human body interpretation" at the time:          Lets see 1995:                  Lets see 1978                      |
9988Jan 18, 2013 3:44 PM
Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. I think that changing a little the design would not hurt |
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NO you got it wrong, preicesly what sometimes change is hair, etc color. The hair color and visual thing was me being facetious. As noted above, male leeads will look almost the same on the other hand, good examaple check few pages back. As noted, male leads(and most humanoid characters) will look the same if all that is being used to judge is appearance. This occurrence is not a matter of declining quality but a matter of fact the artists are all trying to interpret the same thing(the human body). To me all these series share the SAME AIR, share extremely similar art style, with female characters devoid of distinctive traits to distinguish them form one another, let alone find memorable. It's debatable that the visual quality these shows share are common place things within the realm of anime/manga and as such those similarities are part of the "anime style". It is not debatable that the characteristics that separate each character within their specific show are not meant to separate them from other shows in the season. It's tricky, I know, but the creators of those stories only really care that the characters in their respective stories are distinctive enough from one another. Other like characters in other stories is a non-issue. |
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Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. I think that changing a little the design would not hurt And the folks that actually have to make a living off of anime/manga think otherwise. So of course a casual observer that has nothing invested would think that change for the sake of change would be fine. Also as others have said, there is already variety in anime among the various production studios are each studio is run differently and have different goals/audiences in mind when making their anime. |
Anime_NameJan 18, 2013 3:16 PM
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Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. I think that changing a little the design would not hurt And the folks that actually have to make a living off of anime/manga think otherwise. So of course a casual observer that has nothing invested would think that change for the sake of change would be fine. Also as others have said, there is already variety in anime among the various production studios are each studio is run differently and have different goals/audiences in mind when making their anime. I'm not talking about making an amorphous but to make characters with a more original design like |
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Anime_Name said: NO you got it wrong, preicesly what sometimes change is hair, etc color. The hair color and visual thing was me being facetious. As noted above, male leeads will look almost the same on the other hand, good examaple check few pages back. As noted, male leads(and most humanoid characters) will look the same if all that is being used to judge is appearance. This occurrence is not a matter of declining quality but a matter of fact the artists are all trying to interpret the same thing(the human body). To me all these series share the SAME AIR, share extremely similar art style, with female characters devoid of distinctive traits to distinguish them form one another, let alone find memorable. It's debatable that the visual quality these shows share are common place things within the realm of anime/manga and as such those similarities are part of the "anime style". It is not debatable that the characteristics that separate each character within their specific show are not meant to separate them from other shows in the season. It's tricky, I know, but the creators of those stories only really care that the characters in their respective stories are distinctive enough from one another. Other like characters in other stories is a non-issue. Is not issue, to who? You, the producers? I can accept you like it, me? its an issue to me, what you all say equals to me : generic art style, done by equally generic artists of today, producer that generate mass produced soulless and heartless anime and a generation of fans that dominate todays market want anime to be as cute and fapable as possible for the most part, I wold not care much if not because your dominance and appetite for such anime is immense and never ending and has affected the shape of anime as general. How much? To name one example: Macross franchise gave in to moe, if not new generations would have not even looked at it. Initial D 4th stage back in 2004 was top seller, a decade later since it has no traces of moe, fanservice, it sells only a fraction of what it used, new fans would not even dare look at it, many calling it "ugly looking" and dated. Someone said less aggressive and on more even grounds than me: bottosai-01 said: Although I watch much more new anime I agree completely with MaedhrostheTall. It feels like people are not always putting all their effort into their art nowadays,but that there isn't anime with quality art like Redline or perhaps Mardock Scramble, its just rare to find. What movie are you guys talking about anyway? Edit: Oh its OnePiece, I just never could get into that =/ I know it cant be helped, that the laws of the market for good or bad. |
9988Jan 18, 2013 3:30 PM
Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same If they are...it's not sticking out to me as a sore thumb enough I suppose. |
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| In terms of objective, technical quality, newer anime wins because of the advancements in technology that have been made over the years for developing anime. But everything else in this discussion related to art quality I feel really just boils down to personal preference. It's a "which style I think looks better" debate, and there is no one clear answer for that. |
Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. I think that changing a little the design would not hurt And the folks that actually have to make a living off of anime/manga think otherwise. So of course a casual observer that has nothing invested would think that change for the sake of change would be fine. Also as others have said, there is already variety in anime among the various production studios are each studio is run differently and have different goals/audiences in mind when making their anime. I'm not talking about making an amorphous but to make characters with a more original design like 2 out of those 3 aren't even pics from the actual anime. Okabe and Allen Walker aren't even visually distinct in their relative genre. Okabe is a typical NitroPlus design and Allen Walker is a white haired, shounen character with a "special" eye. Is not issue, to who? As far as this topic goes, characters that look like other characters isn't an issue of overall art quality. It is mostly a by-product of the way artists interpret the human body and within the anime world how the artists convey certain characteristics/stereotypes across that medium. I can accept you like it, me? Bull. You aren't very accepting of anything and have done nothing but counter comment after comment even when you claim to agree with the person you have quoted. Me liking or not liking it has nothing to do with my points. What I said is that anime/manga has a whole have certain styles, techniques, and cultural references that means characters will be like other characters and that doesn't denote a decline in quality. If anything the similarities that can be found among characters in different shows are just that, similarities and are not innately problematic. |
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Anime_Name said: Bull. You aren't very accepting of anything and have done nothing but counter comment after comment even when you claim to agree with the person you have quoted. Me liking or not liking it has nothing to do with my points. What I said is that anime/manga has a whole have certain styles, techniques, and cultural references that means characters will be like other characters and that doesn't denote a decline in quality. If anything the similarities that can be found among characters in different shows are just that, similarities and are not innately problematic. Bull. You argued that how anime today looked the same, and I made a quite huge post with visual evidence, your whole arguing is null once you had no option but to accept it was truth, then you went of to defend yourself saying that it did not matter, that they are ok if they dont differentiate from others, thus supporting the point I was making, that many of todays anime looks the same. Anime_Name said: It is not debatable that the characteristics that separate each character within their specific show are not meant to separate them from other shows in the season. It's tricky, I know, but the creators of those stories only really care that the characters in their respective stories are distinctive enough from one another. Other like characters in other stories is a non-issue. Your statement of " artists are all trying to interpret the same thing(the human body)." is null, as this has always been the same, back in the 60s, 70,s 80,s 90s, and in the past there was so much uniqueness, refer to the huge visial post I made. Now "quality", it depends what you and me consider quality art style. Short reply is I cannot consider quality and an improvement of art style that wjich for me looks the same and with many anime I feel like I have watched the thing dozen of times before, and not for for the art style but the story and characters which are bland many times and void of personality as well. I can agree with other perspectives contrary to mine, but you make no solid arguments, even more when you accper that what you argued about was truth in another of your replies thus giving me reason, if the reason I state for prefering older anime is null for you its another issue. I aint trying to change anyone opinion, as it wont happen, just to support my point and reach even grounds and agree with some aspects. Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Anime_Name said: Hwaryun said: Tavor said: I must be blind, but I'm not seeing this, "character designs look all the same in newer anime" jazz. Unless you're watching a lot of anime by the same studio, yeah, then in that case, you would most likely see similarities quite easily. As a whole? I'm seeing varied character designs. Male lead is often the same Same how? Black hair, brown eyes, and a mouth? Since I don't think any anime production studio is going to come up with a new way to interpret the male body there will be a lot things that are the same between male leads. However, those artistic similarities aren't necessarily an issue of quality but more so that no one is going to reinvent the wheel just for the hell of it. I think that changing a little the design would not hurt And the folks that actually have to make a living off of anime/manga think otherwise. So of course a casual observer that has nothing invested would think that change for the sake of change would be fine. Also as others have said, there is already variety in anime among the various production studios are each studio is run differently and have different goals/audiences in mind when making their anime. I'm not talking about making an amorphous but to make characters with a more original design like @Hwaryun Yes, you get the point I am trying to get across. |
9988Jan 18, 2013 4:10 PM
| I like old and new art styles about equally. |
| Wow, yeah, anime art nowadays is just no good, ew. I mean, every anime nowadays looks exactly the same it's just generic ugly crap with no differences between them at all. Geez, get this straight already, you guys!!!11!1 |
Your statement of " artists are all trying to interpret the same thing(the human body)." is null, as this has always been the same, back in the 60s, 70,s 80,s 90s, and in the past there was so much uniqueness, refer to the huge visial post I made. Null? All that is happening now is random vagrants on the internet moaning like children about how they don't like the artistic direction of an entire medium. It's stupid. The arguments are full of hyperbole and cherry picked examples. You can't make a case of the argument that isn't filled with subjective nonsense that boils down to "Me no likey." You, the OP, and all the rest that happen to believe the crap you spew want to talk argue that art "quality" is declining because some pictures look the same? Please. Art quality and taste are varied now, they were varied in decades ago, and will be varied decades from now. Some crap that's made you won't like and some crap you will. There's no proof of a decline. |
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| @ donotthrowsouls Well, the OP question is: Has the art "quality" of anime today declined significantly compare to the old classic? The question is NOT "Is there anime with quality art style made today/or still made today" or something along those lines. You make are the epitome of what many here have mentioned of cherry picking, why dont you do the same I did and pick shows ONLY from a season or whole year to compare objectively and see the bulk of what constitutes the "art style" of today anime. You fail hard are making your point since most of us has accepted that there are many good anime with unique and excellent art style, the question is not that but to judge in a broaden manner todays art style. BTW yes, most the of series you post are unique, minus tamako market, many I have loved. I specially love Noitamani for the unique anime the usually air, unique in story and unique in art style, I could not ask for more. Anime_Name said: Your statement of " artists are all trying to interpret the same thing(the human body)." is null, as this has always been the same, back in the 60s, 70,s 80,s 90s, and in the past there was so much uniqueness, refer to the huge visial post I made. Null? All that is happening now is random vagrants on the internet moaning like children about how they don't like the artistic direction of an entire medium. It's stupid. The arguments are full of hyperbole and cherry picked examples. You can't make a case of the argument that isn't filled with subjective nonsense that boils down to "Me no likey." You, the OP, and all the rest that happen to believe the crap you spew want to talk argue that art "quality" is declining because some pictures look the same? Please. Art quality and taste are varied now, they were varied in decades ago, and will be varied decades from now. Some crap that's made you won't like and some crap you will. There's no proof of a decline. So we are coming down with indirect insults now. Ok, you are free to like the direction and I am free to not like it and express it as well as you are of course, with arguments not coming down with the infantile comment you just posted. You even contradict yourself recognizing that its subjective and then basically denying me expressing my perspective that for me at least it has declined and stating as absolute truth that theres no "evidence" that can support my arguments (and which it seems anyone else disagree with your logic posting pictures left and right as evidence), but yours are truth by you just saying that. Nice logic there. Until now it was so much fun arguing with then others and supporting our view the best we could. |
9988Jan 18, 2013 5:10 PM
raidenhc said: So, male leads for anime about school life often look generic and the same... Isn't that because the target audience is a person that could be in the same situation? Or at least could fantasize about being in the same situation. probably |
| I'm beating a dead horse here, but anime is still drawn by hand. |
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| Wasted so much time on this. My conclusions: 1)If we hand pick titles, there are many examples like many of you have posted, including donotthrowsouls above, that have from good to excellent to superb art style, so the answer is NO, IT HAS NOT DECLINED. On the contrary its evident and UNDENIABLE that many series shows us it has improved dramatically TECHNICALLY. 2) Since the question is in the general sense, today anime as a whole, not cherry picking anything and looking at the bulk of anime, YES, IT HAS DECLINED. Thats my subjective perspective and appreciation of course. |
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