No tomorrow for ... ? (final episode spoilers)

Drengot said:
LMAO you guys are so funny. You saw him died. There is no proof that he lived. But I can't really stop you guys from believing so here's a little gift from me:

wakka9ca said:
Anyone who thinks that Lelouch's death is still subject to interpretation just fails to see the subtlety in the series. It's like denying the metaphor purposely put there to tell the astute audience the truth.

airwalk said:
Well I believe Lelouch is still alive, after all Code Geass teach me that some people can't die:

Orange-kun (died like 3 times)
Cornelia (at least 2 times)
Susaku (explosions wont work against him)
Nunully (Fleia wont work against cripples -sorry, so mean-)
Chigusa (bullet proft head)
Rolo & Villeta (Fleia make them run pretty fast -I assume- to survive)
Guilford (Die in front of my Pc but suddenly appears again)

Why not Lelouch????

wakka9ca said:
Add this to clarify:

-When Lelouch died and slided down the slope, he formed a crucifix like Christ. Like Christ, he sacrificed his life to take the suffering/hate form the world. Like Christ, he is a martyr. Like Christ, he will ressurect. After all, the contrators are like gods.

-Charles passed his code to Lelouch in order to curse him the pain of immortal life. Clearly, when he came flying towards Lelouch, Lelouch knew and told Suzaku to not block the Emperor from him.

Anyone who thinks that Lelouch's death is still subject to interpretation just fails to see the subtlety in the series. It's like denying the metaphor purposely put there to tell the astute audience the truth.

Airyaxe said:
My question is why was C.C. crying when she was praying for Lelouch?

rackoy said:
Don't forget Orange. For someone devoted to Lulu he should have protected him as zealously as he did before. Even if he knew of the plan he wouldn't just go along with it and let Lulu sacrifice his life. But if he knew that Lulu was immortal he would be able to smile and relax and have the same expression he has in the orange farm/plantation scene.

About the orange plantation scene, notice how the wagon was carrying hay. presumably from the same plantation. Which means they are all together. lulu orange cc and anya.

with all the theories flying around I'd say the ambiguous ending was a success.

rackoy said:
Don't forget Orange. For someone devoted to Lulu he should have protected him as zealously as he did before. Even if he knew of the plan he wouldn't just go along with it and let Lulu sacrifice his life. But if he knew that Lulu was immortal he would be able to smile and relax and have the same expression he has in the orange farm/plantation scene.

JadeMatrix said:
I disagree (and will be adding this to my 'exceptions' list). Orange's (and Sayako's) duty was not to protect Lelouche at all costs, but to serve him at all costs. If Lelouche was set on saving the world by his heroic/sacrificial death, who was Jeremiah Gottwald to argue with him? I think Jeremiah would have gone along even if he didn't know Lelouche had the Code, so no solid proof there.

Torak said:
Rolo died actually, wait we have an OVA probably nevermind.

MRLX69 said:
Yea, C.C. seems no longer "lonely". She says that Lelouch is no longer "lonely" would you really say that to a dead person? Obviously not, it means he's alive and he gets C.C. to make him bentos every day... lucky son of a.....

Edit: Knowing C.C. she'll probably put poison, watch Lelouch die then come back again just for fun... surely she won't settle for being just a house wife?

C.C.: "Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi....."

kenichi321 said:
About the orange plantation scene, notice how the wagon was carrying hay. presumably from the same plantation. Which means they are all together. lulu orange cc and anya.

kenichi321 said:
They should make a OVA showing CC/Lulu life in the farm having Lelouch use geass on a cow to do his work.

9Tale said:
Suzaku has the Code: There apparently is no Code on CC's forehead, assuming it's always visible. Lancelot Albion, loaded with sakuradite exploded. There is no way Suzaku could have escaped that blast unless he had the Code. Also, Obviously Lelouch says Suzaku must be Zero for all eternity. Immortality, much?

JadeMatrix said:
EDIT 2: I just realized (for some reason), why the heck does CC have green hair?

9Tale said:
Suzaku has the Code: There apparently is no Code on CC's forehead, assuming it's always visible. Lancelot Albion, loaded with sakuradite exploded. There is no way Suzaku could have escaped that blast unless he had the Code. Also, Obviously Lelouch says Suzaku must be Zero for all eternity. Immortality, much?

JeejaeStitches said:

What's wrong with green hair? o.o
If you mean that it's weird considering most of the characters have normal colored hair, Kallen's hair is pink (can't really be considered red since Shirley's hair was "red").

JadeMatrix said:
Kallen's and Shirley's hair were both red, just different shades. Or at least bright red is more natural than green. It's just kinda odd, since yeah they both could've colored their hair, but CC had green hair back in the 1400's.

JeejaeStitches said:

EDIT: I just rewatched the last half of ep 25; after Lulu tells Suzaku that he will allow the world to live in peace forever as Zero, Suzaku replies something along the lines of "this Geass, I did receive it" probably referring to the live geass placed on him. So it's definitely probable that he is immortal as well.

Astaroth said:
As for Lelouch being immortal, I don't feel like reading through the last seven pages (since most of it seems like fanboying), but has anyone given an explanation as to why Suzaku and C.C. both were crying as Lelouch was stabbed?

Anime-Destiny said:

Based on my best guess, I believe C.C. sees something in Lelouch that she never have seen before in other humans. For most of the series, C.C. tends to look down at other humans since she never seems to have great trust in them. It makes a lot of sense since she has been dealing with terrible ordeals from her immortal life from other humans, like some of them calling her a witch or executing her at certain times.

Overall, C.C. was very impressed, proud, and happy that Lelouch acknowledges her for who she is. The few times that C.C. shows care for Lelouch acknowledges that she is developing these feelings of care for Lelouch. C.C.'s feelings of care for Lelouch pretty much highlighted the crying scene from which she was praying for Lelouch.

JeejaeStitches said:
Actually, I change my response. Remember episode 11, seaon 1. The images that Lulu received when he touched C.C. while she was memory transferring or whatever with Suzaku showed C.C. with brunette hair (perhaps blonde or auburn, hard to tell with the hue).
Image:

So who knows why her hair turned green. Maybe geass stuff, maybe she just likes to swim a lot. Or maybe eating pizza for every meal does that to you. :O

JeejaeStitches said:
I found another example, too:

I just came across it in some board or wiki, but apparently it's from episode 25 (S1, I think).

djinn_690 said:
he's just as dead as jesus is.

JeejaeStitches said:
I just realized, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the person receiving the code need to have a geass progressed to its full state for the code user to pass on the code? C.C. told Lulu that eventually the contacts would stop working, so we can infer that he never reached the full power of his geass, so he couldn't have received the code from Charles.

I like to think that the reason Charles' hand becomes dismembered and sticks with Lulu (off-screen) is because Lulu stole his code, but unless I'm forgetting an important detail, it wouldn't be possible. Or maybe it's some deus ex machina bs where the way he got the gods (or god?) to help him destroy Charles made an exception or whatnot. Idk I need some feedback here.

asterixk said:
jesus so ain't dead.. neither is lelouch

Drengot said:
LMAO you guys are so funny. You saw him died. There is no proof that he lived. But I can't really stop you guys from believing so here's a little gift from me:

ImperialX said:
I'll repost what I posted in the discussion thread.

The Code is the power of immortality, which C.C. has. The 98th Emperor of Britannia, Charles, has the Code. He transferred the Code to Lelouch while strangling him in episode 21. Lelouch wanted this, and he deliberately told Suzaku to not interfere.

However, the Code does not activate unless receiver dies first. This is shown when the nun kills C.C. after transferring the Code to her. Charle’s Code activated when he shot himself. Here is one of the big misconceptions that most people have: The transfer of the Code does not involve death of the transferrer. The nun was crazy and killed herself after she transferred her code. VV was injured from the battle and died. So basically, after episode 21, Lelouch had Charle’s Code (inactivated) and C.C’s contracted Geass.

When Lelouch got stabbed by Zero/Suzaku at the end, his Code was activated. What supports this is that Nunnally got Lelouch's memories when she touched her, just like Lelouch did when he touched C.C. back in Narita. The only way this could have happened is his Code activating. This pretty much confirms that he has the Code.

Unlike C.C., and Charles, who lost their Geasses because the people who contracted them died, Lelouch didn’t obtain C.C.’s Code and thus kept his Geass, while having the Code (which he obtained from Charles at the same time). Lelouch therefore has achieved CODE GEASS.

Basically, Lelouch is the person driving the cart in the last scene. He, who is now immortal, travels the brand new world he has created together with the also immortal C.C. C.C. talks to Lelouch in the end by saying: "Geass is the power of kings, it will isolate you... well, I guess thats a little wrong... eh, Lelouch?"

Now comes the second big misconception. A lot of people say C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that's not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the "hearts" of others. That's how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch's Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there. Also, the fact that the cart driver is masking his features completely supports this fact, considering the fact that Lelouch is now considered dead.

url_elf said:

I suppose, but then her statement would be false.

JadeMatrix said:
Lelouche achieved full Geass power: dual permanent Geass. Interesting thought there, about the exception. What was Lelouche's command to the gods again?

JeejaeStitches said:


Yea, I remember the perma-dual eye geass being implied as the full geass, but doesn't that make a plot hole since he kept wearing the contacts and they were still effective? (He took them off before using his geass even after they reached "full power.") I'm almost positive that it was mentioned when he first received the contacts that they would eventually stop working once his geass became even stronger.