| Let's settle this once in for all.......is Avatar an anime or is it a cartoon? Please vote. If the majority sides with anime I'll personally message Xinil and request Avatar be added as an anime!!! |
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| I think it is an anime. It's an "American-Korean Anime" since it is made in South Korea. ZinnKid said: And in the "The Last Unicorn" discussions:I posted a thread that's related Avatar and MAL: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=34474 It seems that "The Last Unicorn" is allowed but Avatar isn't ??? ZinnKid said: Why is this considered an anime? I understand that it is animated in Japan but it still produced by Americans. Avatar: The Last Airbender, was produced by Americans and animated in Korea (See: The Complete Book 1 Collection - Inside The Korean Animation Studio) and it's not on MAL. And yes, there is Korean "animations" on MAL. (See: Cheonnyeon-yeowoo Yeowoobi) Hypocrisy? |
| This has been done before, and I've said my bit before. To the community at large, it is not considered an anime. I am not going to draw attention to this, but please remove it as I don't want administrators to get upset about this club, as it seems fairly cool. They have said repeatedly that it is not an anime, and they aren't going to consider it an anime. Also, in defense of this site, and every other person who believes that this is not anime, there are plenty of claymations and other types of animation that have come directly from Korea, produced by English producers for American Audiences. Does that make those claymations and other cartoons "anime"?? You want to add Rodolph the Red Nosed Reindeer to this? Or how about Pucca? I'm assuming all players in the making of the series in question have to be Asian, in an Asian country, and it has to be produced for an Asian audience first. Thats the whole thing. Pucca, Avatar the Last Airbender, and Rodolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, were NOT completely produced by Asians for an Asian audience. Cheonnyeon-yeowoo Yeowoobi was. That's the MAIN deference between Avatar and Cheonnyeon-yeowoo Yeowoobi. Now, what I've said last time, and I'm still up on this, is the fact I don't understand why Dramacon and other manga made in the US can be on this site, but a cartoon, that for all intensive purposes is an anime, can't. I get where they are coming from, but it still leaves me wondering why American comics can be called manga but American cartoons can't be called anime. |
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| Then why is "The Last Unicorn" on MAL? It wasn't made for Asian audiences. "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" wasn't made for Asian audiences either, but it is also on MAL. "Æon Flux" also wasn't made for Asian audiences, and was made here in America, but it's on MAL I think this is the best definition of anime: "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or "a style of animation developed in Japan" Country of origin does not matter, it is the style. So of course "claymations" would not be considered anime. Pucca, produced by Canada, animated by Korea, for U.S. audiences, is on MAL...... Hypocrisy I say!! That doesn't even look like anime!! Made this for lulz: http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1861/avatarthelastairbendermqt2.png lol, that's bound to get me in trouble XD |
ZinnKidJul 21, 2008 1:41 AM
| Pucca is also a Korean web show. I forgot about that, so its the ONA thats up there not the American show. Also, think about the controversy adding Avatar would bring. Some of the site have blanantly said "Avatar is not an anime," and I'm sure some people have done what you have done Ita, only against Avatar being added. Also, there are a ton more shows that could be added because of the "anime" feel to them, such as Teen Titans and Xaoilin Showdown, if art and the like were what they were added by, baring Teen Titans because was created as an American comic. Also, there would be plenty of actual anime that don't fit the "artistic rules" for anime/manga art, such as Crayon Shin Chan and Afro Samurai. Crayon Shin Chan exhibits a more cartoonish style while Afro Samurai has more realistic art without the characteristic big eyes. Classifying anime by art has vastly become impossible. |
JeliseJul 21, 2008 3:04 AM
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| And the rest? ZinnKid said: And I found "The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury" on MAL too, and I bet there's dozens more "non-asian anime" on MAL.Then why is "The Last Unicorn" on MAL? It wasn't made for Asian audiences. "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" wasn't made for Asian audiences either, but it is also on MAL. "Æon Flux" also wasn't made for Asian audiences, and was made here in America, but it's on MAL |
ZinnKidJul 21, 2008 3:08 AM
| The only other one I've watched is "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" and the only reason I can see it being added is because of the "Final Fantasy" Logo added to it. There are even English (I'm assuming American) writers on the crew for it, but otherwise I wouldn't know why they were added. All I can say is: Report, report and report. If something is not an anime and you know it, all you can do is report and give links to sites that prove that its not an anime. I'm sure there are tons more too, but I'm also sure that they weren't added my the administration. Also, I'm, pretty much, playing the Devil's Advocate. I've figured pretty much anybody who is going to join this considers Avatar to be anime, and I probably want it on just as much as the next person, but you've got to realize this probably isn't the administration (the people who run this site) who are adding these, and they can't possibly check all the stuff that is added to the database with how little people are on it. That is why the report function is there. Reporting when you know an entry isn't an anime might even get you brownie points. The only reason Avatar is the most targeted out of all of these shows that "resemble anime" is because it is the most known. |
JeliseJul 21, 2008 3:32 AM
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Jelli said: I'm not talking about "anime feel", I'm talking about "That would be anime, if I didn't know it wasn't Asian". I can look at Teen Titans and Xaoilin Showdown and say "That's definitely not anime, but I can see the resemblance" but if I was watching Avatar I'd say "That looks just like anime, but it's on Nick?"Pucca is also a Korean web show. I forgot about that, so its the ONA thats up there not the American show. Also, think about the controversy adding Avatar would bring. Some of the site have blanantly said "Avatar is not an anime," and I'm sure some people have done what you have done Ita, only against Avatar being added. Also, there are a ton more shows that could be added because of the "anime" feel to them, such as Teen Titans and Xaoilin Showdown, if art and the like were what they were added by, baring Teen Titans because was created as an American comic. Also, there would be plenty of actual anime that don't fit the "artistic rules" for anime/manga art, such as Crayon Shin Chan and Afro Samurai. Crayon Shin Chan exhibits a more cartoonish style while Afro Samurai has more realistic art without the characteristic big eyes. Classifying anime by art has vastly become impossible. Jelli said: Why would I do that, I want these anime (Yes, I'm calling them anime) to stay on MAL. "Non-Asian Anime" is still anime. Infact, I think that should be a new category, NAA (Non-Asian Anime)All I can say is: Report, report and report. If something is not an anime and you know it, all you can do is report and give links to sites that prove that its not an anime. I'm sure there are tons more too, but I'm also sure that they weren't added my the administration. |
| I could care less either way. I don't care if they are up here or not. I would love for NAA to become a category not only here, but in the whole anime community. I've loved a lot of NAA, and I would like to see more. |
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Jelli said: I'm confused, first you said I should report these "non-anime" and have them removed and now your welcoming the idea of NAA and referring to them as anime (Non-Asian Anime). o.OI would love for NAA to become a category not only here, but in the whole anime community. I've loved a lot of NAA, and I would like to see more. See, I'm just trying to convince you that it is considered "anime". Note: I checked some of these NAAs and found that there are Mods that have them on their lists. I think that when it comes down to it, the administration just doesn't like Avatar. |
ZinnKidJul 21, 2008 4:45 AM
ZinnKid said: Jelli said: I'm confused, first you said I should report these "non-anime" and have them removed and now your welcoming the idea of NAA and referring to them as anime (Non-Asian Anime). o.OI would love for NAA to become a category not only here, but in the whole anime community. I've loved a lot of NAA, and I would like to see more. I've said before I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. That means I really don't agree with what I'm saying; I am however arguing for the other side because I know there is one (and I like to argue). Thats interesting. Hmm...maybe you're right and they just don't like avatar. Oh well, I'm not willing to potentially get myself kicked off the site for arguing with someone. Besides, it's 7 am here, and I just stayed up all night arguing with you. |
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Jelli said: I don't think they would kick you off, especially since we're in a "Cub Forum"I'm not willing to potentially get myself kicked off the site for arguing with someone. Jelli said: Lol yeah, I do this all the time on Wikipedia (It's really easy to get into arguments over there, and their really sore losers to XD). I think it's very fun. :-)Besides, it's 7 am here, and I just stayed up all night arguing with you. |
| I didn't mean here, I meant when I reported it or something and did the whole, "but you won't let avatar on," thing. (to the first one) Yeah, arguing in fun, especially when you are trying really hard to make yourself coherent enough to do the arguing...> . >... |
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Jelli said: Hahaha, that did cross my mind but I'd rather not mention "Avatar on MAL" anywhere near the main forums.I didn't mean here, I meant when I reported it or something and did the whole, "but you won't let avatar on," thing. (to the first one) (This is probably what your thinking too) |
ZinnKid said: Jelli said: Hahaha, that did cross my mind but I'd rather not mention "Avatar on MAL" anywhere near the main forums.I didn't mean here, I meant when I reported it or something and did the whole, "but you won't let avatar on," thing. (to the first one) (This is probably what your thinking too) Yeah, pretty much. I figured if I even mention them letting (insert NAA here) but not avatar would get me either chewed out or baned from the site. Either way, I wouldn't like it, so I'd rather not do it. |
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| The way I see it: Xinil is like the King of MAL, who has decreed "Avatar is not an anime!" and this conversation we're having may be considered blasphemy, punishable by banning. LOL |
ZinnKidJul 21, 2008 5:42 AM
ZinnKid said: The way I see it: Xinil is like the King of MAL, who has decreed "Avatar is not an anime!" and this conversation we're having may be considered blasphemy, punishable by banning. LOL LOL They also said that "Club Forums were to be managed in clubs." Meh, whatever floats their boat. I can always go to their rival site or use the animelist builder if I have to (not to mention I already have my list on both anyways, a back up in EXCEL and saved to a disk, and one on LJ). |
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| Basically, adding Avatar onto MAL requires these steps: 1. Find out if Xinil doesn't like avatar. (If so, then it's doomed from the start) 2. Convince Xinil that it can be considered an anime. (An NAA) 3. Convince Xinil to allow Avatar to be added to the DB. Now, I believe there is a large percentage of users on MAL that think Avatar is an anime, and even larger percentage that want Avatar on MAL. But there are still those hard core weeaboos that "don't what their Asian and Non-Asian stuff touching" Although they are small, they're loud. They will be protesting it every second. Because of this, even if NAAs are allowed, Avatar may still never be MAL. |
| Wow, what did I miss last night? Anyway, you two hold up a good defense on the whole thing on both sides. ZinnKid, I'll keep that in mind as the time comes for getting Avatar on MAL....and you're both right. This is going to be a hard nut to crack.... |
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| consider Avatar as a OEL type of Anime. if there are OEL mangas, why not OEL animes? >< cause i certainly do not call Dramacon and those other US mangas a manga, but its here.. >< (OEL = Original English Language) about regular cartoon. MOST cartoons i see over here has UNREALISTICALLY drawn characters with really thick border lines for the characters. Thats the total opposite of an anime. I agree to put NAA on the database. Like previously said, Avatar (of course), Teen Titan, and Xiaolin Showdown should be there. Also there is Code Lyoko (European), Ban 10 (U.S.), W.I.T.C.H. (European), Totally Spies (U.S.), and Martin Mystery (U.S.) |
MaoraJul 22, 2008 7:38 PM
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| Avatar and Code Lyoko (maybe?) are the only ones I'll agree you with there. Refer to what I said before: ZinnKid said: I'm not talking about "anime feel", I'm talking about "That would be anime, if I didn't know it wasn't Asian". I can look at Teen Titans and Xaoilin Showdown and say "That's definitely not anime, but I can see the resemblance" but if I was watching Avatar I'd say "That looks just like anime, but it's on Nick?" |
| Most defidently not. the story is made in america and is animated in Korea like a lot of America's animated shows. It is not Japanese or anime at all. Only inspired by it. |
DarkRoseOtakuJul 22, 2008 10:36 PM
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| ^Nationality does not matter. Avatar is the same as anime, same style, same story, except. And if you read all of the page befor you'll find that there is "anime" on MAL that was made by americans, for americans. I'm guessing your one of those weeaboos that "don't what their Asian and Non-Asian stuff touching". Especially the way you said it: DarkRoseOtaku said: Most defidently not. the story is made in america DarkRoseOtaku said: It is not Japanese or anime at all |
ZinnKid said: ^Nationality does not matter. Avatar is the same as anime, same style, same story, except. And if you read all of the page befor you'll find that there is "anime" on MAL that was made by americans, for americans. I'm guessing your one of those weeaboos that "don't what their Asian and Non-Asian stuff touching". Especially the way you said it: DarkRoseOtaku said: Most defidently not. the story is made in america DarkRoseOtaku said: It is not Japanese or anime at all So for you, you're saying anime is NOT Japanese, just Japanese styled? |
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| I voted that Avatar is an anime, because Nick called it Nick's first anime when they aired it. And besides the idea of it being an anime satisfies me when I watch it. Not to sound like a jerk, but I don't care what other people have to say about reasoning that it's not because all the replies are too confusing for me to even be able to start to comprehend. So I just say call it like an anitoon and stop arguing... ^ ^ |
DarkRoseOtaku said: Correct, anime may have came from Japan at first but it has now spread through out all over the world.So for you, you're saying anime is NOT Japanese, just Japanese styled? |
| AVATAR IS AN ANIME. There is no argue about it. If they don't want to admit it's an anime it is because they hate it or something. Also, Pucca is AS FAR FROM AN ANIME AS A SHOW CAN BE. I really don't understand how the hell they could say that, but if they insist, there is nothing I can do (someone said dictatorship?). We should let the crowd decied this one out. I think you will find the MAJORITY saing it IS an anime (Avatar, that is, not Pucca...). |
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chibirei143 said: I voted that Avatar is an anime, because Nick called it Nick's first anime when they aired it. And besides the idea of it being an anime satisfies me when I watch it. Not to sound like a jerk, but I don't care what other people have to say about reasoning that it's not because all the replies are too confusing for me to even be able to start to comprehend. So I just say call it like an anitoon and stop arguing... ^ ^ Like chibirei143 said. I voted that its an anime too. Lets just call it an anitoon!!! =) |
galluvton said: Also, Pucca is AS FAR FROM AN ANIME AS A SHOW CAN BE. I really don't understand how the hell they could say that, but if they insist, there is nothing I can do (someone said dictatorship?) The Pucca they have up there, if you had bothered to even check, is an ONA (original net animation) that is from Korea. I think the fact that it is an animation from Asia is the reason its up there. Other than that, I can't really say why its up there. |
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DawgX15 said: chibirei143 said: I voted that Avatar is an anime, because Nick called it Nick's first anime when they aired it. And besides the idea of it being an anime satisfies me when I watch it. Not to sound like a jerk, but I don't care what other people have to say about reasoning that it's not because all the replies are too confusing for me to even be able to start to comprehend. So I just say call it like an anitoon and stop arguing... ^ ^ Like chibirei143 said. I voted that its an anime too. Lets just call it an anitoon!!! =) he he he, yeah, my idea, la ya bud |
| Avatar is not anime. One of the things that makes something real anime/manga for me (I say manga, because I detest amerimanga...) is that it was made in Japan. The style of drawing is only a part of it. (and if you compare the style of anime/manga through the ages, it varies a whole lot!) For me, anime/manga are what they are because they're made by Japanese people, with Japanese ideas and themes in them. Avatar, while it looks like an anime, is full of American/western ideas, and is simply another Western take on Eastern themes. This is only my opinion though. If you think different, thats fine with me! |
Riven_ said: If you'd read the previous posts you'll see that there is alot of non-Japanese anime an MAL (Korean/China/ect). There's even the all American Eon Flux on this site.Avatar is not anime. One of the things that makes something real anime/manga for me (I say manga, because I detest amerimanga...) is that it was made in Japan. The style of drawing is only a part of it. |
| Alright well technically it is. Cause the definition of anime has nothing to if it were created in japan. It just has to have the japanese art and everything an anime should have avatar classifies their. soooooo pretty much the poll is winning....so can we have this uped on the sight as an anime. and it was half made in korea. it was just written by americans and voiced by americans |
| it is a anime only its just a western anime xp |
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Wikipedia said: The debate over Avatar being considered an anime is a controversial one; one reviewer commented that "Avatar blurs the line between anime and (US) domestic cartoons until it becomes irrelevant." Avatar has many features typical of anime, such as a color palette distinctive from most American cartoons. Avatar creators Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino confirmed a particular anime influence in a magazine interview: "The best anime balances great action sequences with humor and emotion, something we try to do on Avatar. We love all the films of Hayao Miyazaki, especially Spirited Away and Princess Mononoke. Both movies deal with spirituality and the environment in an entertaining way. Also, there's a lot of great animation." According to an interview with the artists of Avatar, Appa's design was based on the Catbus in My Neighbor Totoro, due to the peculiar task of creating a mammal with six legs. Avatar draws inspiration from Shinichiro Watanabe's Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo, as well as FLCL (Fooly Cooly) of Gainax. Other various studios from which inspiration was drawn include Studio 4°C, Production I.G, and Studio Ghibli. Bryan has commented that some of his most cherished Watanabe fight scenes were the fight between Bebop's Spike Spiegel and a drug smuggler in "Asteroid Blues," as well as the duel between Mugen and a blind female Jojutsu-user in the Champloo episode "Elegy of Entrapment (Verse 2)." Avatar director Giancarlo Volpe also claims the staff "were all ordered to buy FLCL and watch every single episode of it." |
| Avatar is not an anime. It's damn good, and it's anime-inspired, but it's not anime. Why? Simple, it was made outside of Japan. Anime is a cartoon made in Japan; Just because something made outside of Japan is anime-inspired, doesn't mean it's anime. Riven_ said: Avatar is not anime. One of the things that makes something real anime/manga for me (I say manga, because I detest amerimanga...) is that it was made in Japan. The style of drawing is only a part of it. (and if you compare the style of anime/manga through the ages, it varies a whole lot!) For me, anime/manga are what they are because they're made by Japanese people, with Japanese ideas and themes in them. Avatar, while it looks like an anime, is full of American/western ideas, and is simply another Western take on Eastern themes. |
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