| Okay, people, let's discuss the long awaited return of Princess Luna. What did you think? Favorite part(s)? Best gags? - First thing that stood out: "Derpy...." *wags finger* - I also noticed Carrot Top was with her at the bobbing for apples. Reference or acknowledgement? - Pinkie Pie is best Scootaloo - Pip, didn't like nor dislike him. On the point of young'uns, disappointed with the lack of CMC and the S&S duo. - Zeccora made an appearance so fast. I was just discussing the other day with my girlfriend if she would make an appearance. Weird. - While it's not what I imagined for her, the personality made sense for Luna nonetheless. Though one is left to wonder why she has Starry hair again. Faust had explained it, but she is not God anymore. - I think the moment with Fluttershy made me laugh the hardest in the episode. "Oh, it is you, Twilight. Oh, and Nightmare Moon.... O_O" *slam* - I am disappoint with the lack of Rarity... |
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| I really like both new Luna and the episode itself. A little confusing perhaps, but with a rewatch it all comes together neatly. Rayzor said: - I think the moment with Fluttershy made me laugh the hardest in the episode. Rayzor said: - I also noticed Carrot Top was with her at the bobbing for apples. Reference or acknowledgement? It is, no doubt about that. It was Rarity in the storyboard, they replaced her with Carrot Top at the later stage of production. Rayzor said: - I am disappoint with the lack of Rarity... You Rarity fans are quite a whiny bunch. |
You Rarity fans are quite a whiny bunch. You think they carry their own faint couch with them too? xD |
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Maurox said: You Rarity fans are quite a whiny bunch. You think they carry their own faint couch with them too? xD I store it in a capsule I carry in my wallet. Fluttershy door crash = lol |
| This love for Hirasawa Yui consumes me, washing over my dirty weeaboo body with a cleansing warmth that allows me to reach greater heights. It inspires me to be a better man; not the man they deserve, but the man she deserves. Yui, I love you. With everything I have. You are my one, my only. Mai waifu. |
orp said: Rayzor said: - I am disappoint with the lack of Rarity... You Rarity fans are quite a whiny bunch. Honestly, I'm not a true Rarity fan. Applejack is my number 1 pony. Always will be. Rarity is like my.....3rd best pony. I just thought she would have made a good contribution to the episode with a fashionable costume. Or some general Rarity Reactions to Luna. |
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| If I'm not mistaken, Luna and Zecora are both voiced by the same person as Rarity, so having three characters by the same person in the same episode could be a little inconvenient for her. Then again, both Luna and Zecora are better characters than Rarity anyway, so I'm always welcome for that to happen. Also "Pinkie Pie, you're a genius!" "No I'm not, I'm a chicken. BWUK!" |
Rayzor said: orp said: Rayzor said: - I am disappoint with the lack of Rarity... You Rarity fans are quite a whiny bunch. Honestly, I'm not a true Rarity fan. Applejack is my number 1 pony. Always will be. Rarity is like my.....3rd best pony. I just thought she would have made a good contribution to the episode with a fashionable costume. Or some general Rarity Reactions to Luna. Don't feed the obvious troll. |
| This love for Hirasawa Yui consumes me, washing over my dirty weeaboo body with a cleansing warmth that allows me to reach greater heights. It inspires me to be a better man; not the man they deserve, but the man she deserves. Yui, I love you. With everything I have. You are my one, my only. Mai waifu. |
| Rainbow Dash was a shadowbolt in this episode. Being pwned at the end by Luna is my favorite part. Hmm... Luna. I saw loads of artwork (prior to this episode) of her being demure/ shy/ emo/ helpless and then I watched this episode which caught me off guard. But this characterization of her works too. Yodelman said: Don't feed the obvious troll. You mean: don't feed the parasprites. |
Rayzor said: - Pinkie Pie is best Scootaloo +1 Despite this fact, she was very annoying for me this episode. When almost all went according to plan, Pinkie showed her up and ruin everything (last time with little "help" from Rainbow dash). I felt sorry for Luna. But the end was a bit unexpected. Another great episode. rlime said: Rainbow Dash was a shadowbolt in this episode. Being pwned at the end by Luna is my favorite part. Mine too. - Spike wearing a dragon costume... - TREMBLE! WE HAVE ROYAL VOICE!!! - *blob* Derpy wins! - Rarity might stayed at home. So it unfabulous to join the Nightmare Moon Night. Imagine that she has probably designed all of outfits. - Zecora reappear. The scene where Luna showed up on chariot with hood remind me "Briddle Gossip" when ponies tried to imagine how Zecora looks like. I hope it wasn't only occasion for Luna to appear in season 2. |
Ervelan said: - Spike wearing a dragon costume... Yes, I felt that this was genius. |
| This love for Hirasawa Yui consumes me, washing over my dirty weeaboo body with a cleansing warmth that allows me to reach greater heights. It inspires me to be a better man; not the man they deserve, but the man she deserves. Yui, I love you. With everything I have. You are my one, my only. Mai waifu. |
Ervelan said: - Rarity might stayed at home. So it unfabulous to join the Nightmare Moon Night. Imagine that she has probably designed all of outfits. According to Faust, in the original script she was too overwhelemed with requests and didn't make it to the celebration herself. It's Suited for Success all over again, and since in the end they went with Carrot Top in the Derpy scene, I guess we are back to that original explanation as the official one. Which is great in my opinion, Rarity's character suffers a lot from different writers, and reinforcement of that vision of her personality is ought to be celebrated rather than shunned. As it often happens, it's not the ponies, it's their fans who disappoint most. Excelsior said: I'm pretty sure he was trying to goad you into saying "I am not whining, THIIIIIIS IS WHINING" etc. etc. Uhm, err, yeah! Yes, this is exactly what I meant to do. Indeed, indeed. Never underestimate Commander Wenli's ability to unveil the hidden strategies of others. No true Rarity fan should've miss this opportunity, which leaves us with an unfortunate conclusion: of all Rarity fans in this thread none as true as those who aren't. |
| I laughed hard when Fluttershy said "Perfect, lesson over." and slammed into the door. First time I laughed like that in a Pony episode for a while. Also, loved Luna's personality, much better than any of the fanon we've had of her. |
| That actually caught me off guard that Luna was so, scarily formal. It's a little bit different than I imagined Luna but it's perfectly okay. I mean, you sure didn't get that out of her personality from the "I'm so sorry", which the fandom has created an entire mythos and huge fanon around. But she is at least, a lot like she was interpreted, misunderstood and adorable. Her boastful, royal formality honestly isn't much of anything other than a quirk even that fandom never really thought of. Which is nice, really. I mean, it's not like she's boastful, she just has weird speech. And just wants to be loved. She just has a quirk even that fandom didn't think of to go with it. Am I repeating my points now? Sorry. Anyway. Only problem is how missing she is. She needs more time. Like, seriously. Luna deserves several episodes. So that she can be loved by ponyvilles. Seriously, she ought to show up just as much many of the other non-mane 6. Heck, she ought to show up nearly as much as Celestia. People can cry "fanservice" all they like. But we deserve this fanservice of Luna showing up more often. Luna deserves. It just makes sense. |
| Not crazy. |
LakeInari said: Only problem is how missing she is. She needs more time. Like, seriously. Luna deserves several episodes. So that she can be loved by ponyvilles. Seriously, she ought to show up just as much many of the other non-mane 6. Heck, she ought to show up nearly as much as Celestia. In-universe it does make sense, but I think it's more about the things the show creators were looking for to put on screen, and it's only natural for the first season to focus on the main characters. There's six of them, it's not a small number. And we, the audience, were mostly with them in that respect - for some bitter, miserable and ungrateful pricks (like myself) even CMCs are an unwelcomed distraction. Now that we got to the new season, there's less worry that the main characters might still be somewhat underdeveloped (even though it is on a smaller scale true for Applejack and perhaps Rarity and Rainbow Dash), and there's a good chance more supporting characters will have a solid share of screen time. |
orp said: Now that we got to the new season, there's less worry that the main characters might still be somewhat underdeveloped (even though it is on a smaller scale true for Applejack and perhaps Rarity and Rainbow Dash), and there's a good chance more supporting characters will have a solid share of screen time. I think Applejack is much more developed than Rainbow Dash, heck even Rarity is more developed than RD. But it's not like that's a bad thing, RD doesn't really have much character to develop and that's part of what makes her awesome. |
Xer0117 said: I think Applejack is much more developed than Rainbow Dash, heck even Rarity is more developed than RD. But it's not like that's a bad thing, RD doesn't really have much character to develop and that's part of what makes her awesome. I disagree. There's a number of different interesting things we can say about RD. She can be lazy, she can be a prankster, she can lash out on somebody - or just be cool about stuff, she can be reliable. She has this range of options that make her somewhat unpredictable while being true to herself - and that's what character development is all about. AJ's completely different, because virtually everything about her comes with this "always" quantifier. He's always reliable, she's always honest, she's a bad liar etc. She's a trotting stereotype. Despite having this bizarrely huge amount of actual screen time, she just does what she's supposed to do. It is as if the writers just don't know how to approach her, or don't care much since they figured her out and that settles it. Having this straight guy type of character is often convenient for the story, but it doesn't really count as character development. |
| I dunno, I feel like AJ's pretty dynamic. She's not just perfect, she has a lot of flaws too. She's not very reliable when she's staggeringly tired from getting no sleep, and she was lying pretty fine when kept telling everyone how she was fine, and also when she lied to the CMC and didn't tell them how terrible their practice performance sounded, and cheating while racing Rainbow Dash, etc.. Also, she stumbles between being one of the most empathetic characters on the show to being one of the most stubborn. But, after reflecting on it, I think that I change my mind on RD being static, she does have character. |
| This is my favorite episode ever. I used to totally love Luna, but now I TOTALLY TOTALLY love Luna! I hope Luna returns in future episodes! |
Xer0117 said: and also when she lied to the CMC and didn't tell them how terrible their practice performance sounded To be fair on this one, she didn't really lie to them. Scoots just took her fumbling for words as "leaving her speechless". |
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MajorMajorMajor said: As to the episode this thread is about. I very much enjoyed Luna's characterization. I had a theory some time before the episode came out that you could use the elements of harmony to predict what Luna might be liked. I had come to the conclusion that Celestia had domain over Kindness, Laughter, and Loyalty. That left Luna with Honesty, Magic, and Generosity. I like to think I was close after I saw the episode, but what do you guys think? PS: The 1000 year culture-lag was a nice touch. I didn't really see anything generous about Luna, but I will give you Honesty (sort of). I'd like to think that both Luna and Celestia share an equal amount of magic so one isn't more powerful than the other (a type of yin/yang balance). Also, I don't really see either Celestia or Luna as the Laughter type. I feel like only Pinkie and her craziness can pull that off. Interesting theory, though. |
Xer0117 said: I dunno, I feel like AJ's pretty dynamic. She's not just perfect, she has a lot of flaws too. Her usual flaws are just her stereotypical traits taken to extreme. Reliability makes her stubborn, honesty - a bad liar, and that's about it. Now, having flaws come from strengths is by itself a very good thing for keeping the character true to itself, it's just in this particular case the strengths themselves leave wishing for something more. Xer0117 said: She's not very reliable when she's staggeringly tired from getting no sleep, and she was lying pretty fine when kept telling everyone how she was fine, and also when she lied to the CMC and didn't tell them how terrible their practice performance sounded, and cheating while racing Rainbow Dash, etc.. Also, she stumbles between being one of the most empathetic characters on the show to being one of the most stubborn. As Rayzor pointed out, she didn't lie to CMCs, the Applebuck Season was about her reliability running amok, and generally speaking of all personality traits stubborness is the greatest for simple comedy and weakest for character development. So, she can either do what she always does or be stubborn about something she does. There is a little potential here, but not much. Now, you're telling that in Fall Weather Friends Applejack cheated. And here I couldn't disagree with you more. She was clearly reacting to Rainbow Dash's actions, levelling the playing field rather than skewing it to her advantage. This episode is one of the very few that actually do try to explore her character beyond the superficial, and what it shows is Applejack's idea of fair play. For a honest competition fair play is essential, and since Applejack is well-established as a competitive character, it's a strange, strange thing that no other writer picked up this theme. Here's something we didn't know before FWF - when fair play is jeopardised, Applejack is likely to adhere to the spirit rather than the letter of the rules. She's not a strict constructionist, if you catch my drift. |
orpOct 25, 2011 11:53 AM
MajorMajorMajor said: Every pony is awesome and multi-faceted. Dayum right, to pony hell with all dat "X is best pony" horse manure. MajorMajorMajor said: Fluttershy is the only character I can't quite get. Most of her character is just a result of a battle between her meek and easily-frightened disposition and her desire to be more assertive and open. It is fun to see which side will prevail, but there should be more to it than that in a show of this caliber. Can anypony help me out. She's not easily frightened in general. She's, well, extremely shy - i.e. frightened when it comes to social interaction. She's open and fairly assertive with animals and nature in general, but not with other ponies unless there's something not unlike a substantial need for that. |
MajorMajorMajor said: I distinctly remember her being scared of a dragon, her own shadow I'm sorry if it gets old coming from me, but that's a McCarthy episode. Fluttershy's timid - well, sure. But in Dragonshy she's just another - or rather, the very first victim of this particular writer's mischaracterisations. |
| Faust gave the crew some fairly extensive creative freedom, to the point when they were introducing all sorts of things against her better judgement. I'm looking your way, Polsky. MajorMajorMajor said: The scared of her own shadow thing was probably just a joke, I concede. That, and her fear of flying of all things. That's McCarthy's explanation of Fluttershy's earthly lifestyle: she's afraid of flying. Yeah, sure, whatever. I'll stick with the Chronicles backstory. |
| I like cannon Luna, I think she's pretty darn adorable. |
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MajorMajorMajor said: McCarthy looks like a writer that thinks very big. Her episodes are often plot-driven and often focus on a single character where the conflict and resolution carry most of the thematic weight. Everything in between could just be for the lulz. Sometimes you have to lean back to admire a painting. She has written some real gems, like Green Isn't Your Color, Call of The Cutie Mark, Party of One (aka: one of the best ones). Best or not is a matter of opinion, but I certainly agree that despite having some flaws - who doesn't! - overall she's one of the stronger writers in the team. Your reasoning towards her being a plot-oriented writer is persuading, and I concur that it's probably her strongest capacity. It's bordering on a miracle how well she fleshed Party Of One out of a premise so ridiculous, fanfic writers were laughed at when they suggested similar ideas before the episode aired. This is how the episodic nature of the show with virtually no overarching plot plays out. The writers are allowed to stretch and twist this and that more freely, as they're justified to bring their best to the table for the span of 22 minutes with little concern for the grander continuity. |
| I already liked Luna's design as it was before but her sudden growth makes her even cooler. I wish that Rarity scene was in the episode but it's understandable they had to cut it for time.Pinkie as a chicken made me laugh. |
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skapandi said: I already liked Luna's design as it was before but her sudden growth makes her even cooler. You could say she was... *sunglasses* 20% cooler. YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! |
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Rayzor said: skapandi said: I already liked Luna's design as it was before but her sudden growth makes her even cooler. You could say she was... *sunglasses* 20% cooler. YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! Indeed, Luna look better when she restored her power. Before it might was her weakened form. Now she looks like a real princess. And I really like her mane. |
| I really couldn't be happier because this episode included my all favorite characters: Luna (also Nightmare Moon) and of course Zecora. And it is a Halloween episode ^^ |
Ervelan said: And I really like her mane. Haven't I heard that phrase befo-... OMG look at that amazing doll!~ Great to finally see Princess Luna again (fav character besides Fluttershy). It would be nice to see her at least once more this season. <3 the scene with Luna and Fluttershy ("great. lesson over." *slam* XD). |
| When being served something as sweet and delicious as cake, it's not having the cake that's important. It's the enjoyment of eating that cake that's important, and it's more enjoyable when done with a friend. |
| Glad they give her own episode trying to fit in after what happen. One thing does bother me and that is rarity didn't even appear. You think this would be the episode of her showing off her clothes and helping luna in outfits. What was she sick? |
Animewolfguy said: One thing does bother me and that is rarity didn't even appear. You think this would be the episode of her showing off her clothes and helping luna in outfits. That's exactly what was going to happen in the original script, but they cut that scene due to time constraints. Then she was going to make a small appearance... again, cut. The standing official explanation is that she was too busy making all the dresses for others to make it to the Night herself. |
orp said: Animewolfguy said: One thing does bother me and that is rarity didn't even appear. You think this would be the episode of her showing off her clothes and helping luna in outfits. That's exactly what was going to happen in the original script, but they cut that scene due to time constraints. Then she was going to make a small appearance... again, cut. The standing official explanation is that she was too busy making all the dresses for others to make it to the Night herself. Oh I see. |
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