| SSIA i'll start I loath power-scaling. You know the kind i mean. it's the whole dick-wagging, piss-fighting, "this one is stronger than this one, until this one SURPASSES HIS LIMITS and becomes stronger than the other one!! and then..." Every time it shows up, I tune out. I can't stand it. It's so lazy, it always ends up dragging the anime into a narrative trap and yet it's such an influential trope because it's just SO EASY TO WRITE and it has a proven fanbase. You can tengen toppa gurren lagann scale into the stratosphere and never really run out of room to keep growing. But you've left me down here on Earth. I don't find moments like that "hype". I find them tiresome and disappointing because to me it reads like an epitaph for the series as a whole. Whatever this anime was trying to be before, well, sorry, but it's DBZ now. |
| but don't get caught up on my opinion. i want to hear YOUR examples |
| muh onsen I just skip the whole episode when they do that shit if it means I happen to miss crucial parts of the story then so be it |
| My most disliked trope is ugly to hot whether it be reincarnation, workout, or cheat powers. I never like seeing the core design of a character change significantly. Ie Fruit of Evolution Solo Leveling Mushoku tensei Arifureta Ect |
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| Half-agree with you on power scaling, it can absolutely ruin a story-focused show especially if placed too early in the narrative, but also can be quite enjoyable in an action-oriented story, and it heavily depends on execution. Something like "Fujiwara Zone" from Initial D comes to mind as an example, where it's kinda muted and is an organic extension of the character's idiosyncrasies. It's also much, MUCH more annoying when done outside the show itself by the crowd of dedicated power scalers, at that point it's just insufferable. For my own example, when the script does this insufferable thing where it points at some genre cliche and goes, 'hurr durr this isn't anime or manga you can't expect us to behave like those cartoon characters' it's just so smug and self-congratulatory that it makes me want to reach out halfway across the world and bonk whoever wrote that shit on the head. Also, the related but slightly different thing where the show points out the utter lack of originality and creativity in its story and then goes 'oh well too bad' and just carries on without even attempting to in any way fix it. |
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muh onsen
I just skip the whole episode when they do that shit
if it means I happen to miss crucial parts of the story then so be it
I just skip the whole episode when they do that shit
if it means I happen to miss crucial parts of the story then so be it
| @foxes_are_neet is it, like, fanservice? i kinda hate fanservice in general but honestly I mind it less when it's like its own filler episode you know the "beach episode" the "pool episode" the "clothes shoppign (cops if your quick)" episode They can be pretty cute. That said, I might lack the frame of reference you have. If i feel like an anime is gross towards its girls, i usually drop it... but i can see an onsen episode being uncomfortable if it's not handled respectfully |
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Half-agree with you on power scaling, it can absolutely ruin a story-focused show especially if placed too early in the narrative, but also can be quite enjoyable in an action-oriented story, and it heavily depends on execution. Something like "Fujiwara Zone" from Initial D comes to mind as an example, where it's kinda muted and is an organic extension of the character's idiosyncrasies. It's also much, MUCH more annoying when done outside the show itself by the crowd of dedicated power scalers, at that point it's just insufferable.
For my own example, when the script does this insufferable thing where it points at some genre cliche and goes, 'hurr durr this isn't anime or manga you can't expect us to behave like those cartoon characters' it's just so smug and self-congratulatory that it makes me want to reach out halfway across the world and bonk whoever wrote that shit on the head.
Also, the related but slightly different thing where the show points out the utter lack of originality and creativity in its story and then goes 'oh well too bad' and just carries on without even attempting to in any way fix it.
For my own example, when the script does this insufferable thing where it points at some genre cliche and goes, 'hurr durr this isn't anime or manga you can't expect us to behave like those cartoon characters' it's just so smug and self-congratulatory that it makes me want to reach out halfway across the world and bonk whoever wrote that shit on the head.
Also, the related but slightly different thing where the show points out the utter lack of originality and creativity in its story and then goes 'oh well too bad' and just carries on without even attempting to in any way fix it.
| @iThink when in steins;gate they mock that one girl's "dun-de-dun" catchphrase my reaction was, oh, so you know she's intolerable? But you're not going to fix her?? You're not going to write a better character? she's just going to stay like that?? I mean i did find it a little vindicating |
| She can't cook. Yor can't cook. They spend an entire episode trying to make you laugh with this gag of her being unable to cook. But of course, this gag is decades old. Older than me lol. So why is it still getting full episodes in the 2020s? |
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Reply to rohan121
My most disliked trope is ugly to hot whether it be reincarnation, workout, or cheat powers. I never like seeing the core design of a character change significantly.
Ie
Fruit of Evolution
Solo Leveling
Mushoku tensei
Arifureta
Ect
Ie
Fruit of Evolution
Solo Leveling
Mushoku tensei
Arifureta
Ect
| @rohan121 i think it's lazy and shallow move, but then, it's a lazy and shallow move coming out of a lazy and shallow premise made to appeal to people who are yearning for a power fantasy. One of my favorite manga of all time features a character who stays ugly the entire way through. He never becomes not-ugly. What happens is he finds someone who finds him beautiful and who sees what's beautiful in him. (casual wanitokagegisu shoutout) |
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She can't cook. Yor can't cook. They spend an entire episode trying to make you laugh with this gag of her being unable to cook. But of course, this gag is decades old. Older than me lol. So why is it still getting full episodes in the 2020s?
| @ComeInReiAsuka wait, let her cook... oh, god, nevermind. do not ever let her cook Yeah, it's really old, it's vaguely offputting, I'm sure it was fresh and great the first time in the 1980s - wow, not every girl is the perfect housewife! - but, like, get a new shtick.. it's 2025, frankly, nobody knows how to cook anymore |
| Probably the fuckboys rocking up and coming on very strong to some women by herself, and then some MC comes to save the day. Also don't like a couple (whether they're in a relationship or not) keeping secrets from their peers/friends for the most mundane/trivial of reasons, and it's just repeatedly beaten over our heads that yes, they're in fact, hiding a secret. |
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Probably the fuckboys rocking up and coming on very strong to some women by herself, and then some MC comes to save the day.
Also don't like a couple (whether they're in a relationship or not) keeping secrets from their peers/friends for the most mundane/trivial of reasons, and it's just repeatedly beaten over our heads that yes, they're in fact, hiding a secret.
Also don't like a couple (whether they're in a relationship or not) keeping secrets from their peers/friends for the most mundane/trivial of reasons, and it's just repeatedly beaten over our heads that yes, they're in fact, hiding a secret.
| @GakutoDeathGlare actually no you know what this is also my answer that first one wow holy shit i hate it so much I'm like the manchurian candidate over here right now Every time this trope shows up in a GL manga i've been enjoying it's actually so over --and then i skip forward to the next chapter and we're so back |
| Starting out in another world with OP or cheat abilities. That's just lazy writing. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
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Starting out in another world with OP or cheat abilities. That's just lazy writing.
| @Yuu_Kanzaki It so is <3 ps if you like yagate kimi ni naru you should check out I Love Amy |
| Whenever they put on a school play, especially if it's Romeo and Juliet, Snow White or some other similarly overdone production. |
| The interrupted confession/kiss/sex between two characters who are clearly into each other. Whether it's a phone ring, or a knock, or someone barging in... it just drags the inevitable hookup out, we all know they are getting together, stop interrupting, and just let them do it already. Also adjacent, is when someone actually confesses, but then a loud noice like the wind, or fireworks causes the other person not to hear, and when they ask, "what did you say" they just go "never mind." This is why Aharen-san is best girl, she is naturally soft spoken, so when a gust of wind blew by, and he couldn't hear her, rather than just clamming up, she said fuck that and just planted a kiss on him right then and there. She wasn't letting some bullshit anime trope get between her and her man. My all time favorite first kiss in anime. |
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Whenever they put on a school play, especially if it's Romeo and Juliet, Snow White or some other similarly overdone production.
| @GrumbleDango i think my main problem with it is that it's just so rarely done well. It's not like i have a problem with it in theory! But manga and anime dialogue already tends to be a bit off, and when you're making characters put on a play on top of that, it REALLY starts to show. |
Reply to Jackson1333
The interrupted confession/kiss/sex between two characters who are clearly into each other. Whether it's a phone ring, or a knock, or someone barging in... it just drags the inevitable hookup out, we all know they are getting together, stop interrupting, and just let them do it already. Also adjacent, is when someone actually confesses, but then a loud noice like the wind, or fireworks causes the other person not to hear, and when they ask, "what did you say" they just go "never mind."
This is why Aharen-san is best girl, she is naturally soft spoken, so when a gust of wind blew by, and he couldn't hear her, rather than just clamming up, she said fuck that and just planted a kiss on him right then and there. She wasn't letting some bullshit anime trope get between her and her man. My all time favorite first kiss in anime.
This is why Aharen-san is best girl, she is naturally soft spoken, so when a gust of wind blew by, and he couldn't hear her, rather than just clamming up, she said fuck that and just planted a kiss on him right then and there. She wasn't letting some bullshit anime trope get between her and her man. My all time favorite first kiss in anime.
| @Jackson1333 i feel like i should hate this trope, but I honestly don't mind it that much. Actually, it's one of my favorites. I think it's because my favorite part of romance manga is everything before the confession, when they're not sure if it's requited...I'm not in any rush to move past it. I mean, if it's happened multiple times in a story, that's another thing entirely, right? But i look forward to the one abortive confession that, IMO, every romance manga is entitled to have, especially if it's given some gravity in the plot, like, it gets addressed later on. |
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Idk. For me it's usually in romcoms where you have the MC and FMC in a sweet and endearing relationship, and then all of a sudden a new girl comes and it becomes a love triangle or more. This is usually acceptable if it starts out clearly as like an Harem anime, but it's just jarring if it doesn't
| @Magpareddi I kind of hate the rival trope, but it's a really difficult one to shake. I think my big thing is the "throwaway rival", you know, the character that comes in for one arc somewhere in the middle, and they're just obnoxious, and it's clear they're not a real threat, but somehow the MC or love interest is losing their shit over them... If you're going to introduce a rival, you should either do it at the very beginning, where you can build them up and make them narratively relevant and interesting, or if you have to make them show up in the middle, at LEAST make them a real threat, right? like maybe the characters have never confessed to each other, and finally one of them gets sick of waiting and answers a confession but, wait, he's actually a really decent guy. Every time they try this trope the rival is intolerable and totally irredeemable. That's so lazy. |
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@foxes_are_neet is it, like, fanservice?
i kinda hate fanservice in general
but honestly I mind it less when it's like its own filler episode
you know
the "beach episode"
the "pool episode"
the "clothes shoppign (cops if your quick)" episode
They can be pretty cute.
That said, I might lack the frame of reference you have. If i feel like an anime is gross towards its girls, i usually drop it... but i can see an onsen episode being uncomfortable if it's not handled respectfully
i kinda hate fanservice in general
but honestly I mind it less when it's like its own filler episode
you know
the "beach episode"
the "pool episode"
the "clothes shoppign (cops if your quick)" episode
They can be pretty cute.
That said, I might lack the frame of reference you have. If i feel like an anime is gross towards its girls, i usually drop it... but i can see an onsen episode being uncomfortable if it's not handled respectfully
| @anen0me No. Beach episodes are true fanservice. Hot spring episodes are only japan being obsessed with themselves as usual. Half of those episodes don't even include girls in them. Japan is so narcissistic they basically cum themselves over everything about their culture and they think hot springs stand at the very top of it, so every anime ever made has to have a stupid hot spring episode. Muh onsen isn't just a trope (the biggest trope), it's a goddamn religion with them. |
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@anen0me
No. Beach episodes are true fanservice.
Hot spring episodes are only japan being obsessed with themselves as usual. Half of those episodes don't even include girls in them.
Japan is so narcissistic they basically cum themselves over everything about their culture and they think hot springs stand at the very top of it, so every anime ever made has to have a stupid hot spring episode.
Muh onsen isn't just a trope (the biggest trope), it's a goddamn religion with them.
No. Beach episodes are true fanservice.
Hot spring episodes are only japan being obsessed with themselves as usual. Half of those episodes don't even include girls in them.
Japan is so narcissistic they basically cum themselves over everything about their culture and they think hot springs stand at the very top of it, so every anime ever made has to have a stupid hot spring episode.
Muh onsen isn't just a trope (the biggest trope), it's a goddamn religion with them.
| @foxes_are_neet wait til they find out what goes on in finland |
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@foxes_are_neet wait til they find out what goes on in finland
| @anen0me they'll make an anime that shows the water being piped in from japan |
Reply to DaiichiDaiman
Generic DnD Fantasy classes, spells, races and monsters.
It doesn't matter if it's seasonal isekai or something as popular as Frieren, it's boring and creatively bankrupt.
It doesn't matter if it's seasonal isekai or something as popular as Frieren, it's boring and creatively bankrupt.
| @DaiichiDaiman i think it can offer a decent framework for a story, helping readers understand the setting without having to really get into it - but it's still lazy, and you really have to be bringing something else to the table. I've seen it work, but it's never really felt like an asset. It worked great in Goblin Slayer, but goblin slayer really subverted the genre's tone. It's OKAY in frieren, but it feels like a pretty flimsy afterthought there. I think what makes the trope feel so noxious is just how ubiquitous it is in every utterly pointless throwaway video game shonen anime. |
| Not exactly an anime trope, I think, Alzheimer RECAP. Sunrise has those series that are amazing, but every few episodes they will flashback with the same animation and character monologuing something different. They try to make it be a character POV but it is normally someone who narrates exactly what happened before. You can watch it in: Gundam Seed, Code Geass, Cluster Edge, ... |
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Most romcom/isekai protags. I think it can be summed up in one image |
anen0me said: I mean i did find it a little vindicating sure it can be. like, if it's a lighthearted comedy parody thingy and there's a girl who basically only ever says "That's so lame!" no matter what's actually happening - that can even be funny. If upon learning that their entire existence has been a lie and their world is just a figment of someone's imagination, instead of having an existential breakdown characters go "Okay, sure, no big, happens all the time in light novels" I just want to facepalm my brains out. anen0me said: nobody knows how to cook anymore woah way to throw shade around, I'll have you know I've been cooking for myself since 2009 and everyone who's been forced to eat my grub is still alive and kicking, even if they tend to not visit much anymore for some inexplicable reason. |
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anen0me said:
I mean i did find it a little vindicating
I mean i did find it a little vindicating
sure it can be.
like, if it's a lighthearted comedy parody thingy and there's a girl who basically only ever says "That's so lame!" no matter what's actually happening - that can even be funny.
If upon learning that their entire existence has been a lie and their world is just a figment of someone's imagination, instead of having an existential breakdown characters go "Okay, sure, no big, happens all the time in light novels" I just want to facepalm my brains out.
anen0me said:
nobody knows how to cook anymore
nobody knows how to cook anymore
woah way to throw shade around, I'll have you know I've been cooking for myself since 2009 and everyone who's been forced to eat my grub is still alive and kicking, even if they tend to not visit much anymore for some inexplicable reason.
| @iThink see like right there you literally just did the gag. The thing. The one where the character is like "everyone loves my cooking right?" And they're all like "oh yeah it's wonderful" while feeding it to the dog or slipping it in the bin or atomizing it with a ray gun or whatever you are the hated trope tell me user iThink what does it feel like to become the very thing you sought to destroy |
| Nosebleed, cuz it doesn't look funny. |
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Nosebleed, cuz it doesn't look funny.
| @Infinityns Hey so Karin just called me ....she's crying... |
Reply to CosmicFusion
Most romcom/isekai protags. I think it can be summed up in one image
| @CosmicFusion what about this genre of guy   |
| The typical "smartest person in the world but bored with life" light novel MC always turns me off. |
| - Bland main characters whose only quality is that they're vaguely nice and usually overpowered without any effort. - Harems. They render all romantic elements meaningless and weightless, and because there's so many love interests, they all tend to be underdeveloped and/or based on character tropes. - Suspension of disbelief breakers: cartoon logic slipping into realistic settings, deus ex machina, unconvincing magic/technology (sometimes it's better to underexplain if the explanation is going to make no sense or be technobabble), general "convenient" writing - making things happen because they have to happen for the story to progress, and not because that's the natural outcome of the narrative. - Excessive increase of stakes. When it goes from "we fight for our friend" to "we fight for our nation" to "we fight for our universe", they lose me. Personal drama is usually a lot more emotionally engaging than stakes that start becoming abstract. I probably forgot some, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. |
| Ude-gui (arm pulling) makes me cringe every time. |
*kappa* |
The “will they won’t they” trope that never gets resolved due to interruptions or misunderstandings and that question never gets resolved. Perhaps ya gotte get the manga, Is a prime example, spoiler below. |
Reply to Stanis150
My least favourite is - I tortured/killed (millions) of people, but in the end said "sorry" or just "I was wrong" and because of that get zero consequences.
This way of thinking, which is extremely disgusting to me, perfectly reflects the views of the Japanese on their historical crimes.
This way of thinking, which is extremely disgusting to me, perfectly reflects the views of the Japanese on their historical crimes.
| @Stanis150 absolute peak of lazy fanservice writing for sure in Alive: the final evolution the fan favorite (it's me, i'm the fan) character, whose name is Yura,  literally blows up a bunch of people in the first arc. Just fucking blows them up. They're like walking past and he just atomizes them like thanos with the infinity gauntletbut he's kinda cute and has this charming devil-may-care attitude so guess who gets a redemption arc? I think Shaman King had a character like that too, guy with a pompadour? and basically every single villain-turned-ally in DBZ Hisoka in HxH (does he ever actually say "i was wrong"? i don't think he ever does, right? It's just never addressed?) i could go on |
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- Bland main characters whose only quality is that they're vaguely nice and usually overpowered without any effort.
- Harems. They render all romantic elements meaningless and weightless, and because there's so many love interests, they all tend to be underdeveloped and/or based on character tropes.
- Suspension of disbelief breakers: cartoon logic slipping into realistic settings, deus ex machina, unconvincing magic/technology (sometimes it's better to underexplain if the explanation is going to make no sense or be technobabble), general "convenient" writing - making things happen because they have to happen for the story to progress, and not because that's the natural outcome of the narrative.
- Excessive increase of stakes. When it goes from "we fight for our friend" to "we fight for our nation" to "we fight for our universe", they lose me. Personal drama is usually a lot more emotionally engaging than stakes that start becoming abstract.
I probably forgot some, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
- Harems. They render all romantic elements meaningless and weightless, and because there's so many love interests, they all tend to be underdeveloped and/or based on character tropes.
- Suspension of disbelief breakers: cartoon logic slipping into realistic settings, deus ex machina, unconvincing magic/technology (sometimes it's better to underexplain if the explanation is going to make no sense or be technobabble), general "convenient" writing - making things happen because they have to happen for the story to progress, and not because that's the natural outcome of the narrative.
- Excessive increase of stakes. When it goes from "we fight for our friend" to "we fight for our nation" to "we fight for our universe", they lose me. Personal drama is usually a lot more emotionally engaging than stakes that start becoming abstract.
I probably forgot some, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
| @Nvaier can't properly express in words alone my appreciation for harems I'd have to do it in person, to the author of one of these great works with an axe |
anen0me said: I think Shaman King had a character like that too, guy with a pompadour? ryu never killed anyone he was just a dreamer maybe you're thinking of ren? |
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anen0me said:
I think Shaman King had a character like that too, guy with a pompadour?
I think Shaman King had a character like that too, guy with a pompadour?
ryu never killed anyone he was just a dreamer
maybe you're thinking of ren?
| @foxes_are_neet this is ryu apologism I saw what he did in that villain arc he was a real bad boy edit: i can't even find him in the shaman king character cast did i hallucinate this? i read the manga, i didn't watch the anime I remember, strongly, reading shaman king and the guy with the pompadour did something i don't remember what it was, like, super evil and then at the end of that arc he does this heel turn and everyone's like, "welp! guess all's well that FRIENDS well :)" and me being so blown away about it |
anen0meYesterday, 2:28 AM
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@foxes_are_neet this is ryu apologism I saw what he did in that villain arc he was a real bad boy
edit: i can't even find him in the shaman king character cast did i hallucinate this? i read the manga, i didn't watch the anime
I remember, strongly, reading shaman king and the guy with the pompadour did something i don't remember what it was, like, super evil and then at the end of that arc he does this heel turn and everyone's like, "welp! guess all's well that FRIENDS well :)" and me being so blown away about it
edit: i can't even find him in the shaman king character cast did i hallucinate this? i read the manga, i didn't watch the anime
I remember, strongly, reading shaman king and the guy with the pompadour did something i don't remember what it was, like, super evil and then at the end of that arc he does this heel turn and everyone's like, "welp! guess all's well that FRIENDS well :)" and me being so blown away about it
| @anen0me I'm not sure what you mean. Did the manga make him evil? I only watched the anime (30 times). |
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@anen0me
I'm not sure what you mean. Did the manga make him evil? I only watched the anime (30 times).
I'm not sure what you mean. Did the manga make him evil? I only watched the anime (30 times).
| @foxes_are_neet i'm going to bed my brain isn't working right i guess apologize to ryu for me |
anen0meYesterday, 2:38 AM
| Magical Girl designs that barely change the appearance of the MC other than the clothes yet somehow no one realises who they are and incest/shota relationships from reasons I don’t think I need to explain. |
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@foxes_are_neet i'm going to bed my brain isn't working right i guess
apologize to ryu for me
apologize to ryu for me
| @anen0me hao? faust? this is ryu...  |
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@Nvaier can't properly express in words alone my appreciation for harems
I'd have to do it in person, to the author of one of these great works
with an axe
I'd have to do it in person, to the author of one of these great works
with an axe
| @anen0me I probably wouldn't go THAT far LOL There's definitely a target audience for them, and I wouldn't want to deprive them of their favorite genre. I just personally find them boring and unappealing. |
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@Zarutaku i'm not familiar with this one. Could you provide an example?
| https://cdn.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/max600x600/cms/interest/89939/89cb4900a6af1d6d47978fb9b87695d3.jpg |
*kappa* |
| @Zarutaku okay i think i get it, and yeah, i'm cringing too @foxes_are_neet yeah that's definitely the pompadour guy from shaman king and it's been, what, 15 years since i read shaman king and i think i trust you more than i trust me so we can vindicate our boy here and anyway hisoka can always soak up a little more hate in his stead thank god for that |
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