Are you a failed cinephile?

cinephiles are insufferable, why would you want to be that? that's like wanting to be an weeb otaku

"Are you a failed cinephile?"

Maybe.

Kind of lost interest when everybody started to praise nonsense like Gladiator (2000). When 300 (2006) came out and was the biggest thing at the time I decided "I am watching only cartoons now and maybe special effects heavy titles!"...and MCU started in 2008, had a lot a stinkers and somehow managed to make me hate special effects after Endgame.

Also don't let me started on how I hated Harry Potter being more popular than Lord Of The Rings and how deeply disappointing was The Hobbit (I mean, it had interesting moment, but as whole total trash).


"I wanted to become a cinephile"

Maybe you had somehow too idealised idea what cinephile means.


"had very mixed experiences"

Searching to refine your knowledge and understanding is suffering.
You are not supposed to like every experiment, just to get the idea what and where those artists were searching...also were they self indulging pseudo art pretenders.


"What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?"

Here some random experimental stuff (you are familiar with part of it) - https://myanimelist.net/stacks/4645

@valico
Because I look up to people who seem to know their shit and flaunt their superiority on the plebs.
I keep thinking "I wanna be just like them".

Also, your comment reminds me of one I got earlier this year when I wrote a thread on /tv/

I really wanted to like Kanatagatari since I like Take's artstyle, but those dragged out, circular dialogues that say nothing and go nowhere were like torture to me, reminded me of Fate/Zero.

@thewiru well you're already largely insufferable, so you're halfway there. since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level, you might as well just fake it at this point. all cinephiles do is flaunt the common "uncommon" opinions and get reinforcement from other dickheads who want to lord that over people who aren't concerned about being part of an in crowd. authenticity is bunk for them anyways. it's all about appearance.

this also applies to anime elitists.

And how do I learn that?
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And how do I learn that?
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@thewiru literary education for a baseline. life experience beyond that.

The problem is that you always want to become a specific thing to brag about it or feel special because of it. You want to show people. Otherwise it's worthless.


My experience is that you, rather than do things just so you can lecture strangers on the internet about a certain field, should do things you actually enjoy doing. Even if nobody cares or ever knows about it, in the end :)

People might not praise you or find you interesting then.
But hey, you would do something just for you and not for cheap MaL Interactions. That would be healthy.

@thewiru Acknowledging that other people other than you exist.

I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.
If your logic was correct, I would've stopped watching seasonals long ago, no?

There is no context or ground for discussion whatsoever in your OP so guess you're just here to beg for attention. I'm just sending a report.

@valico
What do you mean by that?
How would I get such literary education?

@thewiru literary education isn't the important part. you've already got the baseline and understand basic story structures, concepts like foreshadowing and metaphors. literal basic literary concepts.

what you lack is life experience. human interaction. risk. consequence. failure. success.

you seem to struggle connecting the dots on why people enjoy things, and that's almost certainly because they have experiences that cause them to develop personal attachments to fictional stories.

for example, i know FLCL a show you've found to be praised and you dont understand why. that is my all time #1 favorite media work in existence. i don't love FLCL because it's wacky and artsy. i don't love it because it might earn me useless prestige in an online forum. i love FLCL because it is a show that acknowledged the feelings i had during a critical relationship failure early on in my life.

that personal attachment pushed me to start researching different aspects of FLCL. i read the light novels yoji enokido wrote after the anime was finished. i read interviews with staff. i researched promotional materials. i compared sub and dub translations. i researched the significance of hands, japanese number puns, guitars, baseball, the significance of bread crusts. i dug into gainax's production history. i made spreadsheets of character relationships.

ive shared none of that online, and probably never will. i do it because i love FLCL, because it landed emotionally with me at a vulnerable time in my life, and I've dedicated energy toward learning more about the show, and I've learned more about myself in the process. i don't care if someone think that makes me an elite flcl fan, an elite anime fan, an obsessed otaku, or whatever. i have more going on in my life that gives me a sense of value and belonging well beyond my anime hobby, so I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about me personally in that regard. though i do love discussing it, because i learn about others and myself by doing so.

none of that will likely mean anything to you. what do you care about my personal obsession with flcl? and that's the point @MelodyofMemory was making. you'll never understand why people like the things they like if you don't have any interest in other people's lives, experiences, and emotions. you seem to see others as nothing more than plebs to own with your elite knowledge or something. its a useless mindset, which is probably why you get nowhere with your artificial attempts at becoming an elitist or whatever.

So I guess the mods are just going to turn a blind eye to his constant hair trigger insults towards anyone who disagrees with him, as recently as the "Do you assume that people know nothing about anime?" thread. As usual for this forum, I guess. They aren't doing a good job of convincing people they aren't secretly trying to protect him despite all the trouble he causes.



Translation: "You're boring, valico, and I don't care about your feelings unless you answer my invasive questions in minute detail."



Because you're putting words in valico's mouth. They never said they were special for liking FLCL so deeply. They just said FLCL was special to them and was using that as one example among many regarding how art affects people.



And your amnesia oh-so-conveniently dissipates when you can humblebrag about something. That thread is a narcissistic, self-indulgent load of tripe. Imagine being so anal as to demand no one else can enjoy something without your approval.

Also, this proves valico's point. You're selfish. When you like something, only your feelings matter and you can't stand the thought of someone intruding on those feelings.

It's funny that you mention your obsession over Girls Band Cry, a Jukki Hanada work, but even though a large percentage of my posts and my profile are about another Jukki Hanada work and how that changed my life for the better, you never acknowledged that once. But based on how you treated valico, I'd rather not deal with your invasive questions about my mental health history anyway.

Please post those supposed insults, I'll wait.

My mind works on a fairly healthy way: It remembers the things that happened, and doesn't remember the things that didn't.
Perhaps you should strive to make yours work a little bit more like mine...

Once again: I don't expect someone which such a nihilistic mentality to understand that...
But let me try to engage with you —something you seldom offer to me — and ask you the following: What in the threads gave you the idea that I was "demanding no one else can enjoy something without my approval"? What seem to be the main message and themes of that thread? Why do you feel it's narcissistic?

I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.
If your logic was correct, I would've stopped watching seasonals long ago, no?

I'll repost some updates to my post relevant to these questions. This is an example of you invalidating valico's feelings:



Translation: "You're boring, valico, and I don't care about your feelings unless you answer my invasive questions in minute detail."

This is what you're always like. Whenever you talk about your feelings, you want everyone to listen to you. But when someone says something as heartfelt as what valico posted, you proceed to invalidate them. And even though what you posted was quite insulting to valico, you act like you alone are the arbiter of what constitutes an insult, so you can play your idiotic lying game of pretending you have amnesia whenever someone criticizes you.



First, you're all "What insult? I don't see any" and then you give away the game immediately. It's funny you call me nihilistic because a good percentage of my posts are about Love Live Superstar and how Kanon helped me overcome my depression and nihilistic feelings. Heck, if you checked Merve's profile, she says similar things about anime. But none of that interests you. All you care about is that someone is criticizing you, and therefore, they're inherently bitter, jaded, nihilistic, whatever.

@thewiru do you realize you have discussion tab under each anime on mal?

Did people stop making threads for new episodes of seasonal anime on /a/? I haven' been there in years now but you could always find a thread about a seasonal whenever new episodes dropped. Some were obviously more active than others but there would usually be at least a handful of people discussing every anime

@jacobPOL
I answered this in other threads, but episode discussion threads aren't what I'm looking for, and for a plethora of reasons.
If you want, I can explain them.

Please post those supposed insults, I'll wait.

My mind works on a fairly healthy way: It remembers the things that happened, and doesn't remember the things that didn't.
Perhaps you should strive to make yours work a little bit more like mine...

Once again: I don't expect someone which such a nihilistic mentality to understand that...
But let me try to engage with you —something you seldom offer to me — and ask you the following: What in the threads gave you the idea that I was "demanding no one else can enjoy something without my approval"? What seem to be the main message and themes of that thread? Why do you feel it's narcissistic?

@SgtBateMan

I just got a warning to leave this doofus alone. He doesn't violate anything, they say xD
It's hilarious.

So I guess the mods are just going to turn a blind eye to his constant hair trigger insults towards anyone who disagrees with him, as recently as the "Do you assume that people know nothing about anime?" thread. As usual for this forum, I guess. They aren't doing a good job of convincing people they aren't secretly trying to protect him despite all the trouble he causes.



Translation: "You're boring, valico, and I don't care about your feelings unless you answer my invasive questions in minute detail."



Because you're putting words in valico's mouth. They never said they were special for liking FLCL so deeply. They just said FLCL was special to them and was using that as one example among many regarding how art affects people.



And your amnesia oh-so-conveniently dissipates when you can humblebrag about something. That thread is a narcissistic, self-indulgent load of tripe. Imagine being so anal as to demand no one else can enjoy something without your approval.

Also, this proves valico's point. You're selfish. When you like something, only your feelings matter and you can't stand the thought of someone intruding on those feelings.

It's funny that you mention your obsession over Girls Band Cry, a Jukki Hanada work, but even though a large percentage of my posts and my profile are about another Jukki Hanada work and how that changed my life for the better, you never acknowledged that once. But based on how you treated valico, I'd rather not deal with your invasive questions about my mental health history anyway.

The exact line in question is probably this here



It reveals that you treat valico as a storyteller, who's supposed to entertain you, instead of a human being. Even when he shares something about himself you reduce it to its entertainment value and therefore manage to revolve around your needs again.
It examplifies your narcissistic nature and indifference towards other people.

Imagine you had a friend and they shared something personal and important to them and you reacted with 'Sorry bro, this was kinda boring. Could you try to make it a bit more interesting to me?'