Who are Top 3 characters in AOT In terms of writing alone??

vinnywizanime said:
In terms of writing only, try to keep favoritism out, in picking your 3 in terms of only on how well theyre written. I know "well written" is vague, so an argument into that is meaningless.
Here is my big 3 in aot in terms of writing in no order:
>Erwin
>Zeke
>Floch

I think theyre character arcs perfectly ended, they have many parellels and juxtapositions to other characters, they were well developed and explored a side into AOT that not many have and just make the show much better w/ an interesting take.

Whats your Top 3? (preferably give reasons)

CipherKen said:
Armin
Reiner
Third one is a tough one, I'd probably go with Eren, because it's a crazy job writing that character, tie it together, and make it make sense

CipherKen said:

Dude, go into details about that, you told us to preferably explain why we chose out character, don't keep it general and short 😁

__Beatrice__ said:
1.Eren
2.Reiner
3.Zeke
hm: Erwin

Could have chosen better animes with better characters to ask this question.

KluchAa said:
1.reiner: he embodies cognitive dissonance, ptsd and guilt perfectly and more authentically then nearly every anime character his dual personality beetwen a warrior and a soldier and the way he tried to jutify his actions untill it broke him was so peak and his parrallel to eren his sucidal attempt and breakdown in s4 shows how trauma and guilt consume even those who think they're heroes , and there is also his redemtion, symbolism to his titan and armor that cracks, such a peak character

2.eren: he has so many themes like cycle of hatered, sacrafice, false freedom the way Isayama used eren to explore freedom vs determinism, war psychology, moral relativism is so peak his line "i am free. No matter what I'm always me" captures his paradox a man fighthing for freedom enslaved to fate and ideology his parralles especially with reiner "you and I are the same" and tbh i think his conclusion was peak and unique i love that he was still a human in the end n shi and ofc all the plot twist his symbolism with birds and attack titan, everything peak character

3.levi: his symbolism to "cleanliness" his theme of loss and survivor's guilt him being a "perfect tool" he's embodimemt of the cycle of violance parralles with erwin, mikasa and eren his philosophy duty>desire n shi cool character

okay maybe zeke or armin are better written then levi but who cares im NOT changing ts anymore

EqualityisEvil said:
Reiner, Zeke, Gabi

vinnywizanime said:

You're right, i was to vague perhaps. But ill give my reasoning:
>Erwin: His dilemma of choosing his dream or humanity, the speeches, the devilish tactics, the foresight.
>Zeke- Amazing how he had the best plan i would say for the world which was the Eldias Euthanasia, his backstory is very much connected to the racism and treatment of eldians, his relationship w/ Mr Ksaver and resolve to help Eren like ksaver did for eren.
>Floch- Constant Opposition to the main cast offering a perspective, survivors guilt, his idea of a needed "devil",character development, his awareness that hes in the wrong hence calling himself a devil, but knows it benefits his people. Most parallels w/ others (Erwin, Armin, Eren, Hange, Yelena).

WilliamMinerva20 said:
1. Zeke
2. Eren
3. Grischa

Grischa didn't get much screen time, but absolutely every moment of his life is magnificent. From the death of his sister to his reconciliation with Zeke, everything is excellent.
He went from a naive child to an extremist revolutionary who was willing to sacrifice his child for the cause, and then after his failure as a father and leader and the death of all his companions, he tried his best to redeem himself. The scene where he tearfully apologizes to adult Zeke is one of my favorites. An underrated character.

KluchAa said:

Eren barely being top 3 is crazy ngl

CipherKen said:

Yeah, I'd say Floch and Gabi being kind of underrated or overlooked is just because of pure hate, I finished rewatching SnK, and the details and perspective you get from a rewatch is insane

That being said, Floch being in your top 3 was rather surprising, but it's cool, since sometimes we get tunnel-visioned into choosing characters with bigger impact or sth.

Erwin for me is close to being in the top 3 as well

Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👏🏻

vinnywizanime said:

Grisha is 100% one of the best written, again bcz of less screentime he doesnt get mentioned. The kid he raised the wrong way (Zeke) was the one whos plan was going to save the world, the kid who he tried to correct his mistakes of his upbringing ways (Eren) was the one who was the worst for humanity, & grisha episodes are awesome when they come.

WilliamMinerva20 said:

That's true. When you think about it, his life is kind of ironic, when you add in the fact that his first wife devoured his second lol.

Imabdulsamad said:
Levi is underrated
his decision to not choose Erwin was commendable
Armin,Eren,Erwin,Reiner are all well written characters
#1 Armin
2.Erwin
3.Eren

CipherKen said:

Well, he's in the top 3, that's what matters 😜
No, but to me, this anime has so many well-written characters that absolutely make sense, so it's difficult to choose at times compared to other series/animes where there are very few memorable characters that are very well-written from start to finish, Isayama did a great job with this.

But your comment legit made me laugh 😂😂😂

KluchAa said:

I guess i'll let that slide
tbh I think most of animes have atlest decent side cast like even when story is buns/mid side charcters are most of the time good like ds or jjk or other shi

__Beatrice__ said:
@vinnywizanime Ovr the most known shows have better characters (if we count also Mangas). Then Monster - LOGH - Gintama - Monogatari - One Piece - NGE - Fate - Pandora Hearts - Tokyo Ghoul - Magi - Umineko - Usogui etc...
I didn't count Novels or VN since they can be introduced in animanga but I didn't want to put them.
I'm not downgrading AOT or anything, you can also check in my list I have 9 and 10, but there are better shows.

vinnywizanime said:

You wont let me slide for not picking eren in top 3? 🥺🥺 😭I know hes extremely well written but i dont feel as good after the ending.

vinnywizanime said:

Yeah Reiner & Eren are extremely well written no doubt, there are definitely my next 2. I also think Grisha is Underrated in character writing, no one mentions him but every epsiode about Grisha just peaks.

KluchAa said:

Idk I never understood the switch up after the ending what u dont like abt him in the end?

vinnywizanime said:


>Zeke- Amazing how he had the best plan i would say for the world which was the Eldias Euthanasia

vinnywizanime said:
@riqmoran No ones denying it was fucked up, but doesnt change the fact it was the best from the options presented, even admitted by Hange in the end. Even hinted by the deliberate juxtaposition of two brothers- Eren (worst option for humanity), Zeke (best option for humanity), one is seen as a devil by their follower floch, one is seen as a god by follower yelena.

riqmoran said:

best option for who, exactly? Because it was definitely not the best option for Eldeans who had themselves not committed any crimes against humanity nor had any prior knowledge of actions taken by their ancestors.

this was just an option for the humans outside the walls who had made up their minds they wanted to annihilate every last Eldean. And it was no more humane than just outright nuking them from the get go. hardly what i would call a "best option".

and Hange is not a voice of authority. I dont really respect her opinion either. It is not lost on me that the authors intent is to present this as a good plan. You can substantiate your opinion with the material and I get it. but my analysis is based on the logical implications of the facts as they are written. we have to look beyond the surface statements and examine what is implied.

vinnywizanime said:

So, whats the better alternative presented in the story?? What beats Zekes plan??? The idea of outright killing over Euthanasia is debateable, i personally choose Euthanasia if given only 2 options as an eldian. So, youd rather just die then & there? For the world overall i meant best option btw

vinnywizanime said:

So, whats the better alternative presented in the story? What beats Zekes plan?

riqmoran said:

to answer your question first we need to address the root problem. that is the false moral equivalence presented by the author. the author wants you to believe that because hundreds of years in the past Eldeans subjugated others then that justifies atrocities in the present. This is a false premise. You cannot fault Eldeans of today who have committed zero crimes against humanity for acts that they had nothing to do with and dont even remember. you do not inherit crimes. that is not how the world works. you do not say, "your great grandfather was a thief therefore i need to cut off your hand." That is not justice. That is not moral.

not only do the present day Eldeans have no connection to the subjugation of the past, but they are also victims of present day subjugation at the hands of those outside the walls. The people outside the walls filled Paradis with titans. That is an act of hatred with intent to destroy. The Marleyans corral Eldeans into concentration camps, discriminate them, and also wield their powers to wage war.

When you say that the best outcome for humanity is to kill all of the present day Eldeans because it is the desire of the people outside the walls to rid the world of them, there is no moral justification for this. The present day Eldeans are innocent. And this goes both ways. Noncombatants should be spared on both sides where possible. This idea that only 1 race of people should survive is obviously flawed.

riqmoran said:

ok now for the real answer.

fight back. The present day Eldeans are innocent and have the right of self defense. They do not have to lay down and die to appease the rest of the world which we already established does not have any rightful claim to a moral highground whatsoever.

The way they would fight back is by unleashing a partial rumbling that targets all known military installations around the world in addition to oil rigs and any other such strategic targets, minimizing casualties where possible. This buys time until they can negotiate and gain the acknowledgment of the developed world as a legitimate state.

Why doesnt Eren do this? Idk, maybe the author wanted to force his ending and made Eren stupidly or selfishly, take your pick, hijack the whole operation and doom everyone. Just plot induced stupidity if you asked me.

vinnywizanime said:

So, you've given an argument. Doesn't work i would say, titans dont end, the whole Titan passing still doesnt end, the 50 year plan was not trustworthy. Yelena was talking about military bases to be attacked which eren didnt settle for, and why should he? You think they wont develop a counter Technology? Real world nukes blow the fuck out of those rumbling titans, 1960s was it when the first nuke was made? Marley had tech like in 1920-1930s, now add the pressure of rumbling at your doors, things speed up, well have specific anti-rumbling titan tech or bombs or nukes to fuck paradis up. Paradis tech is pretty
weak compared to the outside world aside from their Titans, which eren took away in the end (what an idiot i would say, man didnt care for Paradis, just his friends).

vinnywizanime said:

I dont like the idea of Eren basically killing his mother, at one point Eren says everything happened as he wanted when hes doing the rumbling, but in the ending he's so confused. Basically, regardless of the future memory influence, he said he wanted those things anyway. Also, the whole thing of doing the rumbling to "flatten the world" bcz of armins book is weird bcz Eren said he forgot and set aside that dream, and was only focused on revenge but suddenly its the driving force behind the rumbling? I think Eren's writing is a bit inconsistent, but doesn't change the fact hes still well written. I just took a point off bcz of this, i think his character arc doesn't end as well as Zeke, Floch, & Erwin.