Goblin Slayer (light novel)
| the violence definitely got toned down a lot. the slaughtering of goblins wasnt given enough screen time. not a single goblin got his head crushed in slomo. |
CorLeonis-_- said: Yeah it’s kinda sad to say since I did really like Goblin Slayer season 1, but this season was just flat out boring to me. I know the whole gimmick and point of the show is to kill goblins, but I don’t necessarily think there is any creativity to the kinds of goblins/how they fight goblins anymore, it’s getting really repetitive and stale. Maybe if there were beings in league with the goblins, or just stronger classes of goblins, it would be far more interesting, rather than watching compilations of GS and gang slicing them with a few swings The show is called “GOBLIN SLAYER” and that’s what the show is about… they literally say he doesn’t care about any other job besides killing Goblins. So complaining that it is not what you want, does not make any logical sense. And this season was not boring, it broadened the anime world by having Goblin Slayer travel longer distances and meeting new peoples. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| I think it was good season, they still showed goblin slayer, and also showed more character development and depth. Like if they didn't show character progression and expanded on the world, the show would gone bland with just pure killing. For those saying there is not any extra types of goblins, then I have to ask what do you call the following: Goblin King Goblin Paladin Hobgoblin Goblin Shaman And so on... |
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ejleon said:
The show is called “GOBLIN SLAYER” and that’s what the show is about… they literally say he doesn’t care about any other job besides killing Goblins.
So complaining that it is not what you want, does not make any logical sense.
And this season was not boring, it broadened the anime world by having Goblin Slayer travel longer distances and meeting new peoples.
CorLeonis-_- said:
Yeah it’s kinda sad to say since I did really like Goblin Slayer season 1, but this season was just flat out boring to me. I know the whole gimmick and point of the show is to kill goblins, but I don’t necessarily think there is any creativity to the kinds of goblins/how they fight goblins anymore, it’s getting really repetitive and stale. Maybe if there were beings in league with the goblins, or just stronger classes of goblins, it would be far more interesting, rather than watching compilations of GS and gang slicing them with a few swings
Yeah it’s kinda sad to say since I did really like Goblin Slayer season 1, but this season was just flat out boring to me. I know the whole gimmick and point of the show is to kill goblins, but I don’t necessarily think there is any creativity to the kinds of goblins/how they fight goblins anymore, it’s getting really repetitive and stale. Maybe if there were beings in league with the goblins, or just stronger classes of goblins, it would be far more interesting, rather than watching compilations of GS and gang slicing them with a few swings
The show is called “GOBLIN SLAYER” and that’s what the show is about… they literally say he doesn’t care about any other job besides killing Goblins.
So complaining that it is not what you want, does not make any logical sense.
And this season was not boring, it broadened the anime world by having Goblin Slayer travel longer distances and meeting new peoples.
Right but if you actually read what I said, you’d see that I acknowledged that, and simply stated ways that I thought the simple act of killing goblins could be made more interesting. Just an opinion, it’s alright if you liked it but it just wasn’t interesting to me.
| @CorLeonis-_- excuse me, I did read what you said, you want them to change it to something you prefer so you will be interested, that’s my point, it’s not your story, it’s theirs |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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ejleon said:
@CorLeonis-_- excuse me, I did read what you said, you want them to change it to something you prefer so you will be interested, that’s my point, it’s not your story, it’s theirs
@CorLeonis-_- excuse me, I did read what you said, you want them to change it to something you prefer so you will be interested, that’s my point, it’s not your story, it’s theirs
I mean I don’t expect everything to be how I want it to be haha, but I am allowed to freely express my opinion of how the story could be better/less boring. Which is what I just did, all you did was explain to me that Goblin Slayer is about slaying goblins…which I understand is the point, but it doesn’t have to be so similar and one dimensional all the time. The entire point of discussion threads like this is for people like me to express ideas about what works for a show and what doesn’t lol
| @CorLeonis-_- I never said you couldn’t express your opinion and I would defend your right to. My point is that your perspective is not objective but subjective, and therefore skewed. You only believe this season is “boring, repetitive, and one demential”, because it is not how you personally prefer it to be. This is a subjective view. I believe the anime was entertaining and enjoyable, because it follows last season and the movie well, along with introducing new characters and expanding the world. This is an objective view. My point is not to unfairly judge an anime because it is not the type of anime you personally prefer. Fairly judge the anime based on what the story is supposed to be about and if it holds up to that. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@ejleon You just stated my opinion and called it subjective…and then stated yours and called it objective…that’s not how objectivity works. Objectivity is fact and based on fact, which is not anything you said. Yours, like mine, is a subjective opinion. Which is totally fine, but then I can also have mine which is that this season was dry and felt repetitive. I thought the world building with the elves was nice, but the primary conflict is always the same with little variation. Im glad you enjoyed it, and I don’t necessarily hate it, I just found it boring. But you can’t state “objectivity” by starting with “I believe”
| @CorLeonis-_- You calling this 2nd season “dry and repetitive” is a subjective opinion. Me stating that the 2nd season followed what happened in the 1st season and the Movie are true facts, this is an objective opinion. When I said that I thought it was “entertaining and enjoyable”, that would be my subjective opinion. How are you not understanding the differences? Anyways … I am not saying you can’t express your opinion. I just wish people would judge anime based on what it presents, not on what they believe it should present. You are basically telling the creators how to write the story, instead of letting them tell their own story. |
ejleonJan 18, 3:50 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
CorLeonis-_- said: ejleon said: @CorLeonis-_- You calling this 2nd season “dry and repetitive” is a subjective opinion. Me stating that the 2nd season followed what happened in the 1st season and the Movie are true facts, this is an objective opinion. When I said that I thought it was “entertaining and enjoyable”, that would be my subjective opinion. How are you not understanding the differences? Anyways … I am not saying you can’t express your opinion. I just wish people would judge anime based on what it presents, not on what they believe it should present. You are basically telling the creators how to write the story, instead of letting them tell their own story. That didn’t seem like what you were saying at all, I don’t really think I misunderstood anything. But let’s agree to disagree. I’m in no way saying I dislike Goblin Slayer, I reasonably enjoyed it I guess the second season just wasn’t for me! All I was voicing Hm… perhaps I was not as clear as I thought it was in expressing my point, I do apologize for causing confusion. I never thought you disliked the anime. I understand now that you are expressing creative differences based on how to make the anime even better for the audience’s enjoyment, not just your own. I think I impulsively responded to your comment which made things worse than just talking out different perspectives of the second season. I am sorry about that. Thanks for being patient and discussing with me. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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Gl0rp said:
It's about a child seeing hell in a brutal world ruled by fates deciding that he will defy fate because it's needed for him and alot of others while getting payback. The real story is him carving his own way contrary to the rules of the world, its gods and failed understanding from others how important it is what he's doing for many.
CorLeonis-_- said:
I mean I don’t expect everything to be how I want it to be haha, but I am allowed to freely express my opinion of how the story could be better/less boring. Which is what I just did, all you did was explain to me that Goblin Slayer is about slaying goblins…which I understand is the point, but it doesn’t have to be so similar and one dimensional all the time. The entire point of discussion threads like this is for people like me to express ideas about what works for a show and what doesn’t lol
I mean I don’t expect everything to be how I want it to be haha, but I am allowed to freely express my opinion of how the story could be better/less boring. Which is what I just did, all you did was explain to me that Goblin Slayer is about slaying goblins…which I understand is the point, but it doesn’t have to be so similar and one dimensional all the time. The entire point of discussion threads like this is for people like me to express ideas about what works for a show and what doesn’t lol
It's about a child seeing hell in a brutal world ruled by fates deciding that he will defy fate because it's needed for him and alot of others while getting payback. The real story is him carving his own way contrary to the rules of the world, its gods and failed understanding from others how important it is what he's doing for many.
Which all sounds really nice, but I don’t personally believe the story, especially this season, lends itself to this narrative at all. I totally get the motivations of GS being revenge and the defying of fate, but we are presented with mostly one dimensional goblin slaughter. I don’t have an issue with the themes that define the series, I just think it’s boring that they are presented thru the same rinse and repeat process with very little variety.
| @CorLeonis-_- I think the big issues are a) Goblins are just not interesting enemies. They try to make it sound like they're "learning", but everything else Goblin Slayer encounters has kicked his ass. So Goblins really aren't a big threat, unless we suspend our disbelief and go with "everyone in this world other than GS is a fucking idiot and doesn't see the TRUE threat Goblins are", which isn't a good thing. b) Goblin Slayer himself is just.. unimpressive. They try to do all cool shots and dialogues for him, but the guy is weaksauce and without his party would've been long dead in situations they've faced so far (like the finale of the season 2). All you can say about him is that he knows about Goblins, great, then write a book or pamphlets and stand outside the guild, handing them out to every adventurer on what to do and what not to do. Season 2 showed basically no growth, no new skill learned (unless you count using a new weapon in like 2 episodes) and no bigger threat our hero has to deal with. It was more of the same as season one, except tamer, designed for American audience so they can watch while not getting offended by tits and gore. Whole damn show feels like an NPC side-quest, especially season 2 with some of the most bland events and action scenes ever. |
| To me that's how Goblin Slayer always was. Kinda vanilla. Bland. Mildly entertaining cause of the Goblin Slaying, while the rest is painfully stereotypical |
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1List2RuleThemAl said:
@CorLeonis-_-
I think the big issues are
a) Goblins are just not interesting enemies. They try to make it sound like they're "learning", but everything else Goblin Slayer encounters has kicked his ass. So Goblins really aren't a big threat, unless we suspend our disbelief and go with "everyone in this world other than GS is a fucking idiot and doesn't see the TRUE threat Goblins are", which isn't a good thing.
b) Goblin Slayer himself is just.. unimpressive. They try to do all cool shots and dialogues for him, but the guy is weaksauce and without his party would've been long dead in situations they've faced so far (like the finale of the season 2). All you can say about him is that he knows about Goblins, great, then write a book or pamphlets and stand outside the guild, handing them out to every adventurer on what to do and what not to do.
Season 2 showed basically no growth, no new skill learned (unless you count using a new weapon in like 2 episodes) and no bigger threat our hero has to deal with. It was more of the same as season one, except tamer, designed for American audience so they can watch while not getting offended by tits and gore.
Whole damn show feels like an NPC side-quest, especially season 2 with some of the most bland events and action scenes ever.
@CorLeonis-_-
I think the big issues are
a) Goblins are just not interesting enemies. They try to make it sound like they're "learning", but everything else Goblin Slayer encounters has kicked his ass. So Goblins really aren't a big threat, unless we suspend our disbelief and go with "everyone in this world other than GS is a fucking idiot and doesn't see the TRUE threat Goblins are", which isn't a good thing.
b) Goblin Slayer himself is just.. unimpressive. They try to do all cool shots and dialogues for him, but the guy is weaksauce and without his party would've been long dead in situations they've faced so far (like the finale of the season 2). All you can say about him is that he knows about Goblins, great, then write a book or pamphlets and stand outside the guild, handing them out to every adventurer on what to do and what not to do.
Season 2 showed basically no growth, no new skill learned (unless you count using a new weapon in like 2 episodes) and no bigger threat our hero has to deal with. It was more of the same as season one, except tamer, designed for American audience so they can watch while not getting offended by tits and gore.
Whole damn show feels like an NPC side-quest, especially season 2 with some of the most bland events and action scenes ever.
I agreed with everything til you said the American part. It’s not the reason at all, and it was completely unnecessary. Hate when people think they have the right to gatekeep anime, you know that’s not why they toned it down.
| @CorLeonis-_- I'm not trying to gatekeep it, I'm not Japanese (I am Indian) or dub hater and usually prefer English dubs (unless anime has no translation, like S5 of Initial D). But it's a matter of fact that majority of translators are hired from USA, even in gaming (as a game developer myself, I can confirm this) and they tend to push the media they are hired to work on, into local American identity/cultural politics. If you search online, you'll find a lot of visual novels translated by American translators where meaning of scenes being translated has completely changed to mimic American outlook, images edited to make them "less triggering" or more "inclusive". Which version of the anime/VN/game rest of the world gets to see then? The dubbed one, the American one. Considering the money companies make in US, they start slowly catering to the American market more and more over time. Japanese creators have been doing that for a long time. A lot of VN re-releases on Steam end up being censored just so it can be sold to the Americans. Most developers start catering to the market they earn more in by default, so the new work is designed from ground-up to be suitable for THAT country. It's unfortunate, but we're all stuck with this if we prefer dubs, especially when watching anime with others who can't be arsed with reading subtitles. |
1List2RuleThemAlJan 20, 4:03 PM
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@CorLeonis-_-
I'm not trying to gatekeep it, I'm not Japanese (I am Indian) or dub hater and usually prefer English dubs (unless anime has no translation, like S5 of Initial D).
But it's a matter of fact that majority of translators are hired from USA, even in gaming (as a game developer myself, I can confirm this) and they tend to push the media they are hired to work on, into local American identity/cultural politics. If you search online, you'll find a lot of visual novels translated by American translators where meaning of scenes being translated has completely changed to mimic American outlook, images edited to make them "less triggering" or more "inclusive".
Which version of the anime/VN/game rest of the world gets to see then? The dubbed one, the American one.
Considering the money companies make in US, they start slowly catering to the American market more and more over time. Japanese creators have been doing that for a long time. A lot of VN re-releases on Steam end up being censored just so it can be sold to the Americans. Most developers start catering to the market they earn more in by default, so the new work is designed from ground-up to be suitable for THAT country.
It's unfortunate, but we're all stuck with this if we prefer dubs, especially when watching anime with others who can't be arsed with reading subtitles.
I'm not trying to gatekeep it, I'm not Japanese (I am Indian) or dub hater and usually prefer English dubs (unless anime has no translation, like S5 of Initial D).
But it's a matter of fact that majority of translators are hired from USA, even in gaming (as a game developer myself, I can confirm this) and they tend to push the media they are hired to work on, into local American identity/cultural politics. If you search online, you'll find a lot of visual novels translated by American translators where meaning of scenes being translated has completely changed to mimic American outlook, images edited to make them "less triggering" or more "inclusive".
Which version of the anime/VN/game rest of the world gets to see then? The dubbed one, the American one.
Considering the money companies make in US, they start slowly catering to the American market more and more over time. Japanese creators have been doing that for a long time. A lot of VN re-releases on Steam end up being censored just so it can be sold to the Americans. Most developers start catering to the market they earn more in by default, so the new work is designed from ground-up to be suitable for THAT country.
It's unfortunate, but we're all stuck with this if we prefer dubs, especially when watching anime with others who can't be arsed with reading subtitles.
| @1List2RuleThemAl Oh man, there's so much wrong with this statement I won't even bother trying to unpack it. Just know you sound like an ill informed bigot and you should work on learning some facts before speaking on this subject again. |
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@CorLeonis-_-
I'm not trying to gatekeep it, I'm not Japanese (I am Indian) or dub hater and usually prefer English dubs (unless anime has no translation, like S5 of Initial D).
But it's a matter of fact that majority of translators are hired from USA, even in gaming (as a game developer myself, I can confirm this) and they tend to push the media they are hired to work on, into local American identity/cultural politics. If you search online, you'll find a lot of visual novels translated by American translators where meaning of scenes being translated has completely changed to mimic American outlook, images edited to make them "less triggering" or more "inclusive".
Which version of the anime/VN/game rest of the world gets to see then? The dubbed one, the American one.
Considering the money companies make in US, they start slowly catering to the American market more and more over time. Japanese creators have been doing that for a long time. A lot of VN re-releases on Steam end up being censored just so it can be sold to the Americans. Most developers start catering to the market they earn more in by default, so the new work is designed from ground-up to be suitable for THAT country.
It's unfortunate, but we're all stuck with this if we prefer dubs, especially when watching anime with others who can't be arsed with reading subtitles.
I'm not trying to gatekeep it, I'm not Japanese (I am Indian) or dub hater and usually prefer English dubs (unless anime has no translation, like S5 of Initial D).
But it's a matter of fact that majority of translators are hired from USA, even in gaming (as a game developer myself, I can confirm this) and they tend to push the media they are hired to work on, into local American identity/cultural politics. If you search online, you'll find a lot of visual novels translated by American translators where meaning of scenes being translated has completely changed to mimic American outlook, images edited to make them "less triggering" or more "inclusive".
Which version of the anime/VN/game rest of the world gets to see then? The dubbed one, the American one.
Considering the money companies make in US, they start slowly catering to the American market more and more over time. Japanese creators have been doing that for a long time. A lot of VN re-releases on Steam end up being censored just so it can be sold to the Americans. Most developers start catering to the market they earn more in by default, so the new work is designed from ground-up to be suitable for THAT country.
It's unfortunate, but we're all stuck with this if we prefer dubs, especially when watching anime with others who can't be arsed with reading subtitles.
| @1List2RuleThemAl Oh man, there's so much wrong with this statement I won't even bother trying to unpack it. Just know you sound like an ill informed bigot and you should work on learning some facts before speaking on this subject again. |
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@1List2RuleThemAl Oh man, there's so much wrong with this statement I won't even bother trying to unpack it. Just know you sound like an ill informed bigot and you should work on learning some facts before speaking on this subject again.
| @KainiusTheGreat Translation: I have no valid counter-arguments but going to randomly whine and attack the poster instead. Have a nice day, Kainius the "Great". :)) |
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@KainiusTheGreat
Translation: I have no valid counter-arguments but going to randomly whine and attack the poster instead.
Have a nice day, Kainius the "Great". :))
Translation: I have no valid counter-arguments but going to randomly whine and attack the poster instead.
Have a nice day, Kainius the "Great". :))
| @1List2RuleThemAl The fact that all you had to say to back up your claims was "Blame America"...it makes you sound like a fool. It also makes you sound like a hateful fool to blame the 99.9% for the actions of the .1%. Go ahead and see what countries are offended by "tits and gore" as you so eloquently put it...it ain't America, sport. I didn't want to say much beyond "get your facts straight" but hey, you wanted to talk all big, so here we are. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. |
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| Slaying of goblins is certainly less detailed, which was one of the strong points of season 1. So yeah, I agree with OP. |
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