Who would make a better leader ?

Scud said:
Who makes better leaders?

Black people or white people?
Gay people or straight people?
Aliens or humans?

It doesn't matter because almost all of them are pretty shit at what they do.

InfiniteRufus said:
Black people are pretty good at being black.

Elaxer said:
How the hell does a person's gender affect their leadership qualities?

VolunteerDeputy said:

Nice stereotype, asshole.

Tachii said:
There is some sexism involved in this thread, but it just look like the opening poster is a bit ignorant of social realities in the past and present.

Tachii said:

Info #1: Women lacked right to have education, right to vote, and a plethora of other rights for centuries. They still probably do in many countries now.
Info #2: There are still "glass ceilings" in society, a term you should look up if you do not understand. This is a phenomenon socially determined, not something that is. Women still earn significantly less than men in many countries, irrelevant of how actually good they are at their job. This goes back to the "glass ceiling" effect still in place.

Tachii said:

You're not going to find many significant women leaders simply because they never even got the chance to try it out. You can't just say "oh they're incompetent" because society used to looked down on them and thought there were a biological reality that they're incompetent in certain areas, which is mostly unfounded opinions and overgeneralization.

Tachii said:

I recommend opening poster to read a bit about gender inquality before stating that women are less competent to lead than men. But from reading the thread, it look like opening poster has no intention to be open about other opinions, but more focused on somehow arguing and proving others wrong.

YuiLovesUi said:
Males, for the simple fact that in GENERAL (See? NOT always in GENERAL) male people don't have mood swings connected to their periods. Of course men will also have mood swings, but solely based on the fact that most women I know that are on their period have mood swings, I would say a male leader is more CONSISTENT (Ha! Not better!) than a female one, BUT both work just fine.

So in the end, I don't care-just don't f*** up.

BeyondNero said:
If women did achieve something then nobody would have been able to deny their achievements no glass ceilings or anything of these myth's (A feminist term, No wonder why they're the only one who use it ).

BeyondNero said:
If a woman want to become a leader of a country then what's stopping them, Or there is an "invisible rule" stopping them from doing it.

BeyondNero said:
I have already proved YOU and everyone wrong.

In the end women and men are not the same,
-Do women have the same reason as men?
--Do they have the same logic as men?
---Do they mentally function the same way a man's brains does?
---Who is more emotional, A man or a woman?
--> ask yourself these question's.

BeyondNero said:
Finally: "Women are more emotional, and we have PMS and that affects our thinking," she said. "I would only support a woman leader if her No. 2 was a man who could check to make sure she was being logical and giving a rational opinion."

BeyondNero said:


Why are contradicting yourself, first you say that they are different and that women have more mood swings and then say "BUT both work just fine", Does that seem right to you?

You can't say that this 2 is different form this 2 and then say 2+2=4 . Think again.

BeyondNero said:

Yet you rarely see an achieving women at leading like a man.

BeyondNero said:
"but men have a degree (of advantage) over them" - Qur'an (2:228)
Islam, among other religions have declared women inferior to men, so I'm pretty sure that in the past they could not gain power, and the present is different to a degree, but very similar.
Also you used the word "If," which you said was an opinion or some other b.s. and you didn't want that.

Aloxamax said:


So, a random quote from a random woman is supposed to mean something?

Death_Raja said:

even if there havent been many women leaders throughout history that is because of preconceptions about women and not from a lack of ability. they just werent allowed to even though im sure some of them would have equaled a mans

YuiLovesUi said:

That is no contradiction...it simply means that female and male leaders can both lead well, but females tend to have more mood swings. There is no contradiction to that.

xEmptiness said:


I'm not getting your argument.

Are you implying:
1. Women are incapable as leaders because of some innate birth disadvantages?
2. Social bias tends to prevent people from following female leaders?


Spatial cognition and environmental behavior. DOI: 10.1002/acp.938
Intelligence: Knowns and unknowns. DOI: 10.1037/0003-066X.51.2.77

I'm not sure if you're just biased or uninformed. Please read some cognitive scientific studies before making your absurd claims. If you're asking whether they have the exact same reasoning, probably not. Studies these days generally find no differences significant enough that we should care about though.


This question is complicated. I'm not willing to write an essay for you.
The short answer is, in cognition, generally yes. In decision making, generally no. How much of the difference in decision making is due to stereotyping or gender roles, is still an area intensely debated.


The Gender Heuristic and the Database: Factors Affecting the Perception of Gender-Related Differences in the Experience and Display of Emotions. DOI: 10.1207/s15324834basp2003_3

More supporting evidence from Ann Kring: http://www.vanderbilt.edu/News/news/june98/nr4.html


I'm not sure why you're so stubborn with your propositions. Either you provide some evidence, or you accept the possibility that the others might be right.