MrSideliner said: Just read through all the theories and decide for yourself.
"Lelouch is really the cart driver at the end of Code Geass R2.
The most obvious reason would be CC calling to Lelouch in the closing scene of the episode. As we can assume CC to be still sane, she must be talking to someone, and that someone would most probably be the driver of the cart: Lelouch would have to be alive.
Not necessarily, she doesn't have to be talking to someone. Why is it considered insanity to say your thoughts outloud? Also if you watch the scene again you'll notice that C.C is lying at a distance from the cart driver and talks in a low voice, that plus the noise from the cart's wheels I find it unlikely the driver heard her, so she wasn't necessarily talking to the driver -who you believe to be Lelouch.
MrSideliner said: Second, however, and this is where the others have thought things through, Lelouch is alive because he got his dad's code. He beckoned the World of C to lend him its powers, and he took Charles's code before Charles passed on. The reason why Lelouch still has his Geass is because he didn't take the Code from the same person who gave him his Geass: he took his Geass from CC, and he took his Code from Charles. Thus, he now possesses both immortality and a Geass. This is also a reason that the title is Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion.
1. NOWHERE in the show does it say that Lelouch got his father's Code.
2. He didn't ask Cs world for power, he only requested that it doesn't stop time or whatever Charles was trying to do.
3. He made a contract with C.C, it makes no sense that he'd get the Code of someone else he didn't make a contract with.
MrSideliner said: To further corroborate this, however, remember that when Nunnally held Lelouch's hand he transferred his memories to her. CC also did it when Lelouch touched her accidentally back then, so it could be assumed that people with Codes are indeliberate telepaths. This leaves us with both immortals traversing the world for the rest of eternity.
This is just a plothole to increase drama. And it was effective.
MrSideliner said: More evidences:
Charles grabbed Lelouch with his right hand, which had the Geass sigil.
Lelouch needed the fully evolved Geass to transfer a code.
The code doesn't appear to activate until someone dies. Hence, why C.C. was wounded when she first inherited her code. Same happened with Charles in the World of C.
When Lelouch touched Nunnally, Nunnally got a flash of his memories. This ONLY happens when a high potential Geass user touches someone with the fully evolved Geass.
I find the "you have to die once first to activate the Code" to make sense, but it doesn't help much since the whole Lelouch getting a Code is an assumption not a fact. And he didn't kill Charles, Cs world absorbed him. Lelouch's Geass was at a high enough level to kill C.C (she even asked him to kill her) and that happened like 2 minutes after he tried and failed to kill immortal Charles.
True, When a Geass user's power grows, he gains the ability to kill the one he made a contract with him. Watch episode 15 of R2 around the middle, when C.C reveals her wish. She clearly states this "In the final stage of Geass, the user attains the position of the one who granted them the power. Thus you have gained the power to kill me."- C.C talking to Lelouch.
MrSideliner said: The title of the series is "R2″, which is similar to how "C.C" is pronounced. So Lelouch would be "R.R." which is Engrish (I presume) for L.L., Lelouch Lamprouge.
This is really dumb. So they used L correctly in Lelouch, but then decided to use R for R2? And why didn't they just put R.R like how C.C is written... R2 most likely means Rebellion 2, aka 2nd black Rebellion to liberate Japan, which is also the main story this season revolves around until the middle or so.
MrSideliner said: When C.C. is talking on the wagon, she says "the power of Geass brings loneliness…that's not quite right is it, Lelouch?" and nods her head in the direction of the wagon driver.
Second time you've mentioned this. It doesn't mean anything. It's not the first time that a character talks out loud to some dead character as if they were still there.
MrSideliner said: Furthermore, Orange knew of Lelouch's and Suzaku's plan and helped them out by ordering his men not to fire on Zero, he even smiled when Zero (Suzaku) jumped on his shoulder.
Now would Orange, a man who devoted himself entirely to Lelouche and threw away everything without a second thought be OK with a plan where the sole person he wants to protect in life is actually killed? The answer to that is NO, not even if Lelouch ordered him to accept the plan: he would not go along with it and would protect him with his life. There is only one way that Orange would be OK with a plan like that and that's if he knew about Lelouch's immortality, which I assume he did as he worked with V.V. in the Geass research base. Orange was OK with this plan as he knew Lelouch would come to no harm and would be able to start a new peaceful life with the woman he loves in a world which he himself had made peaceful.
Wrong. To quote Orange "I follow only one, it's Lady Marianne." Not to mention that he only cares about fulfilling his duty, which is to FOLLOW his orders. But let's say he is 100% devoted to Lelouch. Lelouch WANTED to die, what right does Orange have to prevent that? If he wasn't okay with it he doesn't need to participate in the plan. And trying to hinder it would count as betrayal since he is acting against his master's wishes.
MrSideliner said: Even at the end, we see Orange on his orange plantation, completely content with the way things have panned out, he definitely could not be that happy had Lelouch actually died."
He finally fulfilled his duty and Lelouch's plan was a success. Why would he not be content?
I didn't read all of this, but this sounds better than Lelouch is driving the cart theory:(which is in the link you posted of course)
C.C.’s profile has also been updated, and the final part of it now says: “Knowing that Lelouch does not hate her for giving him the Geass, she is now able to show her true feelings. With the realization of “Zero Requiem”, her time with Lelouch, who was able to forgive and accept her, came to an end, but the memories created with him has, without doubt, saved her from eternal loneliness.”
I can't remember where I read it but the author himself confirmed that Lelouch is dead. But everything you listed is nothing more than fan speculation. |