BanG Dream! Ave Mujica Episode 13 Discussion

@GangsterCat I've never felt more heard in my life LOL. Just my opinion of course, I won't argue with anyone that liked it, but it absolutely wasn't for me.

Mortis and MyGo/CRYCHIC drama all went on far longer than they should have in a 13 episode show. The Episode 7 CRYCHIC performance felt like everyone finally letting go and moving on and then it goes on THREE MORE EPISODES with Mutsumi's awful depictions of disassociative identity disorder. On top of that, Umiri and Nyamu's issues all ended up getting nothingburger or outright silly 'resolutions.' I don't even know where I stand on the Saki/Uika(Hatsune) stuff because by the time we got there I felt completely beaten down by how much of this series is bloated with the Mutsumi arc and MyGo sucking up so much of the air in the room. Saki got her own show basically ripped away from her, and that almost feels artistically sound, but I know it's not meant to be.

Biggest series letdown I've had in a while.

@RobertBobert I mean, that's fine, but it doesn't change my feelings on the 13 episodes of anime we were given here. I was largely unsatisfied, not just with a lack of resolution. If they want to resolve things in a third series/movie/whatever, that's fine. But the series composition and how long it spent spinning in the same circle with the Mutsumi situation and the ghost of CRYCHIC for almost 9 episodes was a huge turn off for me and it was at the expense of everyone else's progression.

@GangsterCat I've never felt more heard in my life LOL. Just my opinion of course, I won't argue with anyone that liked it, but it absolutely wasn't for me.

Mortis and MyGo/CRYCHIC drama all went on far longer than they should have in a 13 episode show. The Episode 7 CRYCHIC performance felt like everyone finally letting go and moving on and then it goes on THREE MORE EPISODES with Mutsumi's awful depictions of disassociative identity disorder. On top of that, Umiri and Nyamu's issues all ended up getting nothingburger or outright silly 'resolutions.' I don't even know where I stand on the Saki/Uika(Hatsune) stuff because by the time we got there I felt completely beaten down by how much of this series is bloated with the Mutsumi arc and MyGo sucking up so much of the air in the room. Saki got her own show basically ripped away from her, and that almost feels artistically sound, but I know it's not meant to be.

Biggest series letdown I've had in a while.

@Pollyhead TRVKE

@RobertBobert "It meant to be bad on purpose" yaeaaaaa that's not an excuse

"he himself admits that MyGO did a better job of everything within their original season"
Maybe he should consider that the reason AVe Mujica isn't doing well was because he was trying to shove in as much MyGO as possible to Ave Mujica's own anime and ended up making Ave Mujica anime lost its identity

I mean if you're a MyGO fan, then good for you, you got your MyGO2 in Ave Mujica. but as an Ave Mujica and only Ave Mujica fan, this garbage is unbearable. it doesn't help that Ave Mujica's new songs besides the OP & ED theme are meh haha.

@Hormigo UP. Judging by a recent interview with the director for Megami, this is indeed just the middle of the path or sorts. To the point that if you want, Mutsumi's current situation is even worse than it was at the time of the show. So we really have to wait for the sequel to see how they take things. Although he does say that MyGO has mostly sorted out their problems. So what will they do in the sequel?

@RobertBobert Very interesting the interview with the director and very revealing how the original script has been changing.What will they do the members of Mygo in the sequel? Well, Likely involve them in the Dramas of the members of Ave Mujica, as support characters, and if I am sincere I do not know if I like

Weak ending compared to the previous MyGo season's ending (excluding the Ave Mujica part that got shoehorned in at the end of that season). Seems like this is getting yet another sequel, though I wonder what else will they explore. Probably revisiting all the characters problems yet again. I hope they do revisit Mortis/Mutsumi's story since I feel that her character issues did not resolve well. Kinda felt like everyone just accepted her for whoever she has become without any questions before going straight to Hatsune's drama.

Personally am not fond of all these drama but at this point I am probably just watching due to sunk-cost fallacy...

@yhagni I don't know if you read the thread above, but the directer already said that Ave Mujica's problems are not solved yet and the band is only in the metaphorical middle of their path to solving their problems. As for Mutsumi, I created a separate thread about it, since trying to explain the director's comments about her current state once again might be excessive.

Doesn't change my opinion on the season. I based my comment on the season on its own, not as something that has 2-cours/parts, especially since it was not advertised as such in the first place.

Read through what you posted about Mutsumi as well. And while I could sort of see that, I feel like it was not explained well. Like I said, it seemed like everyone just accepted her for whoever she has become without any questions before going straight to Hatsune's drama.

Edit:

It is more of a difference in perspective rather than accuracy. What is accurate is that the sequel was announced after the season has already ended so it is entirely up to viewers whether they want to assess this season on its own or as part of a 2-parter. Personally, I would not have known this was getting a sequel had I not come to the forums, since the announcement was not part of the episode (at least not in the stream I watched).

Whoa, there are so many negative reviews here. And everyone seems to be repeating the Chinese narrative like "When Yuniko left, things got bad"
It is sad. Now i'm pretty sure that s3 is going to be a lot easier

The writing of Ave Mujica is nowhere near as watertight as MyGO's was, and at times it feels more interested in shock value than nuanced discussion of the issues it brings up.

Many issues were resolved in really half-assed ways or even just ignored entirely - for example, no explanation of Sakiko going from disgusted with Uika to immediately forgiving her within a couple of in-universe days - and I just don't feel satisfied by where we've ended up. I think things particularly fell off hard after the CRYCHIC reunion and the show's never recovered from that. The writing also has a bad habit of contradicting itself at points, like with CRYCHIC still being discussed as a possibility after that "final" concert or Sakiko using the Togawa name to get everything she wants almost immediately after rejecting the name. And don't even get me started on the abysmal shitshow that was the Uika plotline, easily my least-favourite plotline in the history of Bandori anime.

It was certainly an experience at times and we've certainly never had a girls band anime like this before, but I want better writing quality than this. And ending with a full concert episode again is kind of annoying, especially when so much more is unresolved than was the case in MyGO.

The only consolation is that the immediate sequel announcement gives me hope these various issues and unresolved threads will be addressed in future, but I am also concerned that they'll just double down on the shock value side of things. I'm also concerned this will delay Ave Mujica's arrival into the game and reduce MyGO's presence in it for a while again - due to them not wanting to contradict or interfere with the anime's storytelling - but I suppose we shall see.

@Atavistic What a bad take. The more I see people comparing Ave Mujica’s plot to MyGO, the more I notice how a lot of them view it through this weirdly romanticized, biased lens. MyGO’s storytelling isn’t the peak of band anime. It just feels that way because most people haven’t seen a better one that does it decently. Tari Tari, for example, does it better than MyGO.

It's kind of insane that Uika's yandere tendencies and feelings of abandonment never boiled over into a serious argument/breakdown with Sakiko. I expected her to scream about how she felt used or whatever, but she was ultimately too much of a simp for it to matter. We got a whole fantasy of her assaulting Mutsumi and nothing ever really came of it. Just feels half-baked, like most of the character's resolutions here. The MyGO content was still golden.

That said I still basically enjoyed this season and liked the music quite a bit.

@furaido376 Peak or not, within the franchise itself, this is clearly a step back in writing quality. Although both shows were written by the same person.

Why? Mygo is clearly simpler, unlike mujica. But why this make mujcia's writing worse?

"Many issues were resolved in really half-assed ways or even just ignored entirely - for example, no explanation of Sakiko going from disgusted with Uika to immediately forgiving her"
Ah, that explains a lot. She wasn't disgusted with her, you just misunderstood her. She was rather annoyed that because she had abandoned Uika (because didn't want to drag her down with herself), and Uika had become obsessed with her. She considers it her fault. Also, she forgave her because Uika said that she promised "to help Saki forget." She was trying to keep a promise that Saki had almost forgotten about, and Saki also felt guilty about her. She pulled her into the band, she asked her for help, her grandfather did such a terrible thing to her. She sees no reason to be disgusted, she is rather ashamed that she made her feel fear every day (even though she did not know it)

Your other complaints seem even more strange. You don't seem to understand anime at all. Crychic was not contradicting itself at points
The part of crychic is more logical than the reunion of mygo. Even the characters themselves didn't understand why they were back together and just asked "What's going on?" "I don't understand." It was an emotional reunion, but not a logical one
But other side Mutsumi explained why she wants to bring back crychic. Because Saki love crychic and that's the absolute truth. Sakiko created mujica to forget crychic, just as she created crychic to forget her mother. But she can't forget. Therefore, Mutsumi is right that Saki wants crychic, but she just doesn't understand that this doesn't mean that Saki doesn't like mujica. Saki is just afraid to move forward, but she understands that crychic cannot be brought back. But Mutsumi doesn't see it. Mutsumi only knows that Saki cried during the concert, Saki created a second band because she was upset about losing the first band, and besides Mutsumi herself doesn't want mujica back. She was in the band only for Saki's sake
Besides, Mutsumi doesn't yell at Mortis without a reason "don't steal my role". Mujica's reunion could take full control from Mutsumi, and crychic is her salvation

And Saki has never rejecting own name. She can't do that, her mother is Togawa

It's kind of insane that Uika's yandere tendencies and feelings of abandonment never boiled over into a serious argument/breakdown with Sakiko. I expected her to scream about how she felt used or whatever, but she was ultimately too much of a simp for it to matter. We got a whole fantasy of her assaulting Mutsumi and nothing ever really came of it. Just feels half-baked, like most of the character's resolutions here. The MyGO content was still golden.

That said I still basically enjoyed this season and liked the music quite a bit.

It seems to me that you have made up come up with the idea that she is a yandere, and you draw conclusions from this. She is not a yandere. She just doesn't want to lose an important person and she was desperate

Besides, I don't know what RobertBobert is talking about. The Japanese have accepted anime well and are buying a lot of merch

@GuseGuseWin Simpler? I don't think over-the-top drama and overuse of scenery chewing melodrama makes story a lot more deeper and complex. More emotional and theatrical? Yes. But not deeper and more complex, such a point of view is rather naive and undemanding. You also don't seem to realize that if you have to write big walls of text to explain things and make sense of them, that's a pretty bad sign of storytelling. Not to mention that, judging by some points in the answer, you not only did not read my comments carefully, but are simply trying to impose your reading of story on me as the ultimate truth. For example, you are trying to attribute to me the statement that half of the issues were left halfway and refute it, although it is not only my opinion, even the director himself openly said that the show stopped halfway through AM's story.

Sorry, but I don't have time for late night arguments with a person who is still at the level of rating all the shows he's watched as 10 points.

@GuseGuseWin If you continue to make this SO personal, turning the dialogue into a duel and even using arguments like "the show was financially successful, so your criticism is wrong", I will be forced to stop any dialogue with you. I will not repeat myself twice.

So Evangelion, Lain and other difficult anime have bad writing? Because almost all the discussions i've seen on these anime have also "big walls of text to explain things". Because there is something to discuss there
You seem to be confusing a bad writing with a "writing that I don't like"
And yes, mygo was simpler. Much simpler. Soyo even explains own motivation. We can understand it ourselves, but she still explains it. A year later gbc was released, which is much more complex

@GuseGuseWin So, not only did you continue to make it personal, but you also openly tried to bait me with the crudest scarecrows, inventing out of thin air non-existent theses that I had never even thought about (of course, desperately projecting this onto me, it's so predictable). In that case, I have no choice but to mute you, to stop another pointless argument for the sake of an argument just because someone can't accept their favorite show being criticized. That was my last response to you.