The Anime did it SO much better (spoilers for episode 12)

hyperknees91 said:
Hmm while I can see preferring the scene being directed in a more disturbing way of course.


I don't think I can really agree with this and is a rather harsh generalization. If someone views a rape scene in an erotic light then either the story isn't taking things seriously enough for someone to care (or in general just doesn't take fiction seriously enough), or they just haven't been educated enough on why such events are so terrible. To add to that.


I don't think that's relevant, you can't just take scenes out of context in general, that's just not how writing/story telling works. But even then, in general, rape scenes are usually disturbing/repulsive regardless of how they are conveyed. Certain audience may perceive these scenes in perverted/strange ways of course, but I don't think you should take that as the norm.

APolygons2 said:


frankly, it doesn't matter. what matters is the result. hentai is also an art form.

its rightfully, not nearly as recpected, but still.

to me the only thing that matters is how good it is.

and i think it was fine in the manga, and great in the anime, for all the reasosns i mentioned in the original thread post.

Kaasfondue said:

So I went and took a look at the manga and it's not bad at all IMO. I mean I sure personally don't find the way it was done titillating but similar to the anime just very disturbing, not like fanservice at all. But it's still some weird ass hentai storyline, like that this the twist and pay-off after ''finding Robin'' is so weird. Not bad, and not offensive, just weird. Hope we get a season 2 or I'll have to read the manga.

APolygons2 said:


i mean yeah, of course. i said fine to great. not bad to good.

i don't think the manga did it poorly, i just think the anime did it a lot better.

APolygons2 said:
ok, I saw a few people complaining about censorship, and I am here to set things straight.

let me start by saying, I am that friendly smooth brain who last week got curious and read this chapter of the manga, and said it wasn't even that bad. I am also someone who is against any kind of censorship in fiction.

so when I tell you the way this episode was done was absolute directing perfection, at least trust that I am not biased.

the thing about a rape scene, is that no matter how messed up you make it, that doesn't necessarily stop it from being at least somewhat erotic. that's true, there is a reason so many messed hentai exist. you can tell yourself "no that's disgusting only the ultra mega perverts would say that"

but the truth of the matter is that in most cases, when you see tits, you see tits. 

and while I would defend the manga having the scene, I would also go ahead and say it didn't do the best job of making the focus be on the scene being "messed up".

BUT, this episode did.

think about, why is it, that the most explicit scene in the story so far, had less skin shown than the more fanservice-y scenes?

if you pay attention, you'll see that this is easily one of, if not the most well directed episode in the show. it has so much creativity, but it doesn't even need to change art style to do it. even without knowing it, It would be easy to see it's by the same guy who directed 86. specially when you notice the perfection level parallel cutting that he also used in that show.

He made that scene so much, darker, so much scarier, so much more impactful, and he did it by showing less.

that scene no longer has anything that makes it erotic, it shows you all the ugly parts, everything that makes the event terrifying.

you could put those manga pages on rule 34, and without context, randoms on the website wouldn't see it as anything other than just some random hentai.

but this doesn't have that. the scene in the anime, was everything that, that scene was meant to be. and it was so much better than the manga for it.

Kayle_x_Morgana said:
fan service? nudity isn't fan service automatically. it isn't FS if it has to do with the story like this show has. the girls aren't half naked with giant jiggle tits.

APolygons2 said:


you are missing the point. the fact that it CAN be seen as erotic either with or without context, proves that its there.

of course a lot, maybe even most people would not find it erotic, but that is because the story element is overshadowing it for them, not because its not erotic at all.

it can be anywhere from a non factor, to slightly distracting, to scene ruining depending on the person.

so why should it be there?

when the tits are there, the viewer may focus on how horrible it is, or they may not do that.

so why not take that erotic-ness away? in a scene like that, how does it help?

cutting it out, and making the scene more focussed just makes it better. while having it the other way around, is either a negative or a non-factor.

APolygons2 said:


i mean yeah, of course. i said fine to great. not bad to good.

i don't think the manga did it poorly, i just think the anime did it a lot better.

APolygons2 said:


you are missing the point. the fact that it CAN be seen as erotic either with or without context, proves that its there.

of course a lot, maybe even most people would not find it erotic, but that is because the story element is overshadowing it for them, not because its not erotic at all.

it can be anywhere from a non factor, to slightly distracting, to scene ruining depending on the person.

so why should it be there?

when the tits are there, the viewer may focus on how horrible it is, or they may not do that.

so why not take that erotic-ness away? in a scene like that, how does it help?

cutting it out, and making the scene more focussed just makes it better. while having it the other way around, is either a negative or a non-factor.

APolygons2 said:


i never said all nudity is fanservice.

unless you are saying none of the nudity in this whole show was fanservive. in which case, i respectfuly think thats cap.

Kayle_x_Morgana said:
examples please?

APolygons2 said:
every single bath scene except the one in this episode.

billybub said:
Lol I'm not here to defend censorship, nor have I read the manga outside one chapter, but here's why censorship is good and the anime is better..gtfo with this nonsense

rvdboom said:
The one in the Inn where Maru and Kiruko are fighting the bird man-eater: you can't argue that it tells something about Kiruko

rvdboom said:
The bath before going to see the Immortalists : You don't see anything, and it shows that Kiruko still at that moment doesn't react with the usual nudity taboos, which means he/she doesn't still considers his/her body as her own
The bath at the boars' hideout: Taking a bath after being almost frozen to death makes sense but I guess this one was not completely necessary, although it shows that having a hot bath is what you consider a luxury

APolygons2 said:
the mirror was that what told us something about her. it could have been anywhere. it didn't have to be a bath. not that I'm complaining. I like fanservice like this that fits and is not distracting.

rvdboom said:

Allow me to quote myself from a previous reddit post:
One of the most common critics I see about this chapter is "how little impact it has on the characters afterward". And to me, this shows a huge misunderstanding of the story afterward and of the character of Kiruko in general.
[*]
I could go on but this is enough for me to show that chapter 32 had a lot of consequences, just displayed in a more interesting way than the usual depression many people would expect.

APolygons2 said:
ok, I saw a few people complaining about censorship, and I am here to set things straight.

let me start by saying, I am that friendly smooth brain who last week got curious and read this chapter of the manga, and said it wasn't even that bad. I am also someone who is against any kind of censorship in fiction.

I dont even know where you are going with your argument. It was clearly a rape scene and a highly sexualised moment.
so when I tell you the way this episode was done was absolute directing perfection, at least trust that I am not biased.

the thing about a rape scene, is that no matter how messed up you make it, that doesn't necessarily stop it from being at least somewhat erotic. that's true, there is a reason so many messed hentai exist. you can tell yourself "no that's disgusting only the ultra mega perverts would say that"

but the truth of the matter is that in most cases, when you see tits, you see tits. 

and while I would defend the manga having the scene, I would also go ahead and say it didn't do the best job of making the focus be on the scene being "messed up".

BUT, this episode did.

think about, why is it, that the most explicit scene in the story so far, had less skin shown than the more fanservice-y scenes?

if you pay attention, you'll see that this is easily one of, if not the most well directed episode in the show. it has so much creativity, but it doesn't even need to change art style to do it. even without knowing it, It would be easy to see it's by the same guy who directed 86. specially when you notice the perfection level parallel cutting that he also used in that show.

He made that scene so much, darker, so much scarier, so much more impactful, and he did it by showing less.

that scene no longer has anything that makes it erotic, it shows you all the ugly parts, everything that makes the event terrifying.

you could put those manga pages on rule 34, and without context, randoms on the website wouldn't see it as anything other than just some random hentai.

but this doesn't have that. the scene in the anime, was everything that, that scene was meant to be. and it was so much better than the manga for it.

Roch2001 said:
Honestly I shut off when you said censorship at word nine in your post. I watch hentai everyday. Love it. Your seemingly delusion rant about a single scene in an anime, which I do agree wih, was extremely dark and impactful for the show, seems to of got your knickers in a twist and your making something out of it which its not. The fact your posting here after reading the manga disgusts me. Like your some kind of connoisseurr. Go fuck yourself. Or maybe its to early for you, just grow up and stop getting sexually aroused by such things. Your mom would be unhappy.