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Jun 16, 2023 2:19 PM
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| Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. |
Jun 16, 2023 2:27 PM
#2
| beacuse it is fun goofy show and it makes me laugh when i watch it |
Jun 16, 2023 2:29 PM
#3
Azriel-chan said: beacuse it is fun goofy show and it makes me laugh when i watch it I meam I guess that's fair but it still makes me disappointed after the firat season |
Jun 16, 2023 2:31 PM
#4
MrKessler said: Azriel-chan said: beacuse it is fun goofy show and it makes me laugh when i watch it I meam I guess that's fair but it still makes me disappointed after the firat season well that is you my guy i love it you hate it that is how the world Work cant make all People happy |
Jun 16, 2023 2:36 PM
#5
| Well, then you better not google how the manga ended ... I did and dropped this shit straight away ... |
Jun 16, 2023 2:42 PM
#7
MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. I agree the show has a downward trajectory season to season but I think you're judging a little harshly, and it's still fun as opposed to being a chore like some long running stuff... |
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Jun 16, 2023 2:43 PM
#8
| I agree but it's not a serious show so I just watch it for fun, also I'm curious about the explanation of what happened in ep1 and the ending. oh and also tsukasa. |
Jun 16, 2023 2:59 PM
#9
cassieDmonkey said: But that«s a real shame, I was expecting more out of itI agree but it's not a serious show so I just watch it for fun, also I'm curious about the explanation of what happened in ep1 and the ending. oh and also tsukasa. |
Jun 16, 2023 2:59 PM
#10
ishinashi234 said: Why are you here, then?Mod edit. |
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Jun 16, 2023 3:00 PM
#11
borderliner said: I mean maybe you're right, but I think I just had way higher expectations for a show like thisMrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. I agree the show has a downward trajectory season to season but I think you're judging a little harshly, and it's still fun as opposed to being a chore like some long running stuff... |
Jun 16, 2023 3:42 PM
#12
| I watch this show because it has an original concept, decent characters, ok story, I’m curious about the mysteries (the petrification, why-man) and its nice to see how the kingdom of science evolves |
Jun 16, 2023 3:57 PM
#13
Azriel-chan said: MrKessler said: Azriel-chan said: beacuse it is fun goofy show and it makes me laugh when i watch it I meam I guess that's fair but it still makes me disappointed after the firat season well that is you my guy i love it you hate it that is how the world Work cant make all People happy indeed (character limit) |
Jun 16, 2023 4:25 PM
#14
MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. I'll say cause of all the science shit that goes above my head sometimes it just feels good whe you see someone doing something that your dumb brain never ever thought of |
Jun 16, 2023 4:25 PM
#15
| I imagine part two will be better since there will actually be some tension and conflict. |
Jun 16, 2023 5:11 PM
#16
MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. I mean I liked the show because well it was one of my first animes so it just hyped me up Aside from that Dr stone is a funny and sometimes logical anime and I love it but your opinion is your opinion 🙃 |
Jun 16, 2023 5:31 PM
#17
MrKessler said: This is actually a lie. They not happen to be the best. They are looking for the best. They revived that "teenager", because they know what they needed.stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world Same way, the revived Ryuusui when they needed his skill. MrKessler said: Btw, when you say "teenager", you mean you think teenager, right? I mean half of the cast are actually adult, so you are lying here too.so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. MrKessler said: Also a lie. The show just skips the boring part, because it is about the science and not about mass producting things.Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. That's why the science part is really interesting even in the latest episodes. MrKessler said: Lol, they followed the exact same logic with railway. They skipped everything that they already used or explained at least once and skipped the really slow production and always showed the interesting parts.I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff MrKessler said: And actually, science-wise railway is much easier concept than antibiotics. I mean the first railway line was in 1825, while the first true antibiotics were in 1926.but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires MrKessler said: Just the ise of science, the slow progression is not.the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show Well, I mean if you check how much time they skip, they skip more and more. So it is actually slow. MrKessler said: So your problem with them is they are realistic. Interesting.and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too Because normally an adult like Magma or Kaseki won't change every couple of years. You don't change every 3 years. People change for a reason. They don't change for no reason. MrKessler said: That's how the world works, which is also realistic.Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes The scientist come up with a new thing and everyone reacts to that. MrKessler said: They do, but if you expect them to look like 20 years older while only 3 years passed, then it is also stupid. Especially in Japan, where everyone looks really like despite their age.Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. MrKessler said: Obviously, if we accept your lie, then yes, it will become something worse, but if a normal viewer liked the S1 and the science in it and don't lie about the show, then he will also like S2 and S3, because all the seasons give you the same satisfaction.I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. Btw, it obviously can't always be 100% scientifically accurate, because the show started with "light beam" that turned everyone to stone. |
Jun 16, 2023 6:19 PM
#18
ktg said: You know that the point of passage of time in a narrative is? Sure they can tell you 3 months have passed in 20 seconds of narrative time, but that's not satisfying nor earned as an audience member, or at least not to me. The point of the railway example is that that's an EXAMPLE, but it happens with almost everything in the show. And Im sorry but how is that antibiotic argument even comparable to the railway? It doesnt matter if one's more complicated than the other, wwhat matters to me is that digging hundreds of kilometeres and installing railways would take WAY LONGER than the show presents, which is half an episode, ridiculous and as an audience member, I feel nothing with that accomplishment because it feels like there's no work put into it. MrKessler said: This is actually a lie. They not happen to be the best. They are looking for the best. They revived that "teenager", because they know what they needed.stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world Same way, the revived Ryuusui when they needed his skill. MrKessler said: Btw, when you say "teenager", you mean you think teenager, right? I mean half of the cast are actually adult, so you are lying here too.so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. MrKessler said: Also a lie. The show just skips the boring part, because it is about the science and not about mass producting things.Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. That's why the science part is really interesting even in the latest episodes. MrKessler said: Lol, they followed the exact same logic with railway. They skipped everything that they already used or explained at least once and skipped the really slow production and always showed the interesting parts.I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff MrKessler said: And actually, science-wise railway is much easier concept than antibiotics. I mean the first railway line was in 1825, while the first true antibiotics were in 1926.but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires MrKessler said: Just the ise of science, the slow progression is not.the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show Well, I mean if you check how much time they skip, they skip more and more. So it is actually slow. MrKessler said: So your problem with them is they are realistic. Interesting.and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too Because normally an adult like Magma or Kaseki won't change every couple of years. You don't change every 3 years. People change for a reason. They don't change for no reason. MrKessler said: That's how the world works, which is also realistic.Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes The scientist come up with a new thing and everyone reacts to that. MrKessler said: They do, but if you expect them to look like 20 years older while only 3 years passed, then it is also stupid. Especially in Japan, where everyone looks really like despite their age.Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. MrKessler said: Obviously, if we accept your lie, then yes, it will become something worse, but if a normal viewer liked the S1 and the science in it and don't lie about the show, then he will also like S2 and S3, because all the seasons give you the same satisfaction.I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. Btw, it obviously can't always be 100% scientifically accurate, because the show started with "light beam" that turned everyone to stone. You say the science is still interesting, I say sure it definitely can be, but again, you can tell me how something is done and how hard it is, I agree that its interesting, but if you just cut to the characters suddenly having done it you lose my investment because, and Ill say it again, I didnt see any struggles so I dont care. About the characters aging I dont even know what your thought process was with that response, because Suika starts off as a 9 year old, at this point she should be AT MINIMUM 11 or 12 (because at least 2 years should have past, honestly like 3 or 4 considering how much they've done) and she looks exactly the same. No other character's seem to have aged either and Senku starts off has an 15 year old. About the whole "teenager" thing, these masterminds that they found out so easily all in a limited region of Japan no less, are, at most, in their early twenties. Which like, really? You cant have like a 40 year old character who has actually had decades of experience on their field? I know its a shonen show and they want to make it appealing, but its just hard to suspend my disbelief. I didnt say the characters needed to change, just that I wanted them to be developed, like make them do difficult decisions, or dillemmas, show other sides to them, etc. They dont need to suddenly be different characters, thats not at all what I said. Just flesh them out, right now, they're very one note. The whole "the show cant be 100% accurate because of magic light" is a terrible excuse, just because you invent one supernatural element for a premise it doesnt disregard the rest not being realistic. Idk if you've been watching Oshi No Ko, for example, which has a supernatural element to start the story, but after that it is super realistic in the way it presents the idol culture in japan. In this whole thing you've called the stuff I say "lies" and didnt understand the reasoning and just blindly defended the show. Like I said I'll give the show credit where its due, but that ain't it man. I ask that you at least understand my take on the show instead of going on the defensive immediatly. |
Jun 16, 2023 6:40 PM
#19
| Because it's fun and the science methods are all accurate, i don't need anything more than that. |
Jun 16, 2023 6:42 PM
#20
Priya080929 said: Because it's fun and the science methods are all accurate, i don't need anything more than that. Yeah thats fair enough |
Jun 16, 2023 6:43 PM
#21
| Makes dumb people think they are smart because they watch a science themed anime. Kinda like the big bang theory. Also big tits as always. |
Jun 16, 2023 6:57 PM
#22
| I personally just love the characters and the things they do specially senku |
Jun 16, 2023 9:48 PM
#23
MrKessler said: I could accept this as a valid point, but sadly your statement is about S1 is being good while S2 and S3 were being bad and the most time skips are in S1. S1 is about 2 years, S2 is about a season long.You know that the point of passage of time in a narrative is? Sure they can tell you 3 months have passed in 20 seconds of narrative time, but that's not satisfying nor earned as an audience member, or at least not to me Therefore, it is not a valid point in this case. MrKessler said: That's not how arguments work, but it was funny at least. :DThe point of the railway example is that that's an EXAMPLE, but it happens with almost everything in the show. And Im sorry but how is that antibiotic argument even comparable to the railway? It doesnt matter if one's more complicated than the other, wwhat matters to me is that digging hundreds of kilometeres and installing railways would take WAY LONGER than the show presents, which is half an episode The way it works, you present your statement which is at that point is not true. To make it true, you need prove it. There are many way for that, but you chose the example. But if your example is bad or is not true, then the statement itself won't become true. You gave a bad example - you did this again in this comment, so I'll talk about that later -, so jsut because you capitalized the word, it's still not true. Comparing the two in that sense works, because like I said, the show is about science and not about mass producing. Producing ONE GRAM antibiotics is the same as producing two tons from science point of view. This is also true for railway, creating 1 km railway is the same "scientifically" as creating 20 km. So, it's like you are crying about inventing the wheel in 2 mins, while they already invented the PC. When you already have cars, the railway is not a big or hard invention. MrKessler said: That actually pretty stupid. Do you feel any accomplishment when you were able to drink a glass of water? They have cars and antibiotics. The railway is nothing special.as an audience member, I feel nothing with that accomplishment because it feels like there's no work put into it. MrKessler said: Again it's still pretty stupid. It's like saying that you don't like SoL shows, because you didn't see them struggle.but if you just cut to the characters suddenly having done it you lose my investment because, and Ill say it again, I didnt see any struggles so I dont care. I can also say it again, it's about science, not mass production. Here, you are saying that you wanna see a 20 episode about them making the railway, so watching the same episode again and again. (Btw, you should watch endless 8, you must be love it with this mentality.) MrKessler said: I see the problem here. Sorry, I misinterpreted. I thought we were talking about aging, but now I can see you think after 3 years humans grow another arm or some shit.About the characters aging I dont even know what your thought process was with that response, because Suika starts off as a 9 year old, at this point she should be AT MINIMUM 11 or 12 (because at least 2 years should have past, honestly like 3 or 4 considering how much they've done) and she looks exactly the same. No other character's seem to have aged either and Senku starts off has an 15 year old. Sorry for this, but I have to tell you, when humans age, they look pretty similar Anime has simplistic design, so you hardly see any wrinkle, which one of the most important thing to guess someone age. And my answer was about the fact that from the look, japanese people don't age, so drawing them as the same is the normal there. MrKessler said: Oh, this is good, I can show you how to present a good example. For example, Kaseki who is 12 years old, right? That's why he looks like at least 60.About the whole "teenager" thing, these masterminds that they found out so easily all in a limited region of Japan no less, are, at most, in their early twenties. Which like, really? You cant have like a 40 year old character who has actually had decades of experience on their field? If you start naming the "masterminds" you could easily recignize that we are talking about like 3 or 4 characters and everyone else is actually there for their strengths and it is pretty normal to be stronger at a young age. MrKessler said: Then you should have had no problem, because this is what's happening in the show. Like in this season where Ginro and Suika worked together to get the science lab. Ginro was portrayed as a coward, lazy person. Even in his flashback when he ran off to play instead of studying to able to write and read.I didnt say the characters needed to change, just that I wanted them to be developed, like make them do difficult decisions, or dillemmas, show other sides to them, etc. They dont need to suddenly be different characters, thats not at all what I said. MrKessler said: This is what I was talking about when I said you made another bad example.The whole "the show cant be 100% accurate because of magic light" is a terrible excuse, just because you invent one supernatural element for a premise it doesnt disregard the rest not being realistic. Idk if you've been watching Oshi No Ko, for example, which has a supernatural element to start the story, but after that it is super realistic in the way it presents the idol culture in japan. Your original logic against Dr. Stone was that the science is accurate, therefore you expect to be accurate in other aspects. While here your logic is the following, there is a supernatural element in Oshi no Ko, but despite of that, they did something realistic. This is also true for Dr. Stone. The magic light is a supernatural element, but the science accurate. So you either give a good example, or accept that you are wrong. MrKessler said: I did understand... that your reasoning is wrong or more like non-existent. Bad examples are not reasoning.In this whole thing you've called the stuff I say "lies" and didnt understand the reasoning and just blindly defended the show. Like I said I'll give the show credit where its due, but that ain't it man. I ask that you at least understand my take on the show instead of going on the defensive immediatly. Or will you accept my statement that the Earth is flat, because the floor is flat? This is a similar logic how you use examples. That's why I choose this one. :) |
Jun 16, 2023 10:41 PM
#24
MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. i'm sorry that happened or I'm happy for you, either way I aint reading all that. |
Jun 16, 2023 11:13 PM
#25
MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. Ahhh well done 👏🏼 you figured out that it’s a shonen jump series at its core. To be honest, the reason I like this series is extremely simple. I think out of all of MC’s that debuted around the same time this series came out… Senku is by far the best. Plain and simple. I’m very picky when it comes to shonen MCs. The fact we’re 3 seasons in and your issue with this series can date all the way back to when Tsukasa man handled a freaking lion. Only difference now is that are particular people in the series that are so freaking good at their particular craft to same exaggeration as Tsukasa taking on AGAIN a freaking lion!! No offense, but you lack analysis skills to completely covey your criticism of the series. Simply put… you lost interest in the series… you grew up and started to like other things in your life no shame in that but instead you use a poor attempt to make a rational argument about a problem with the show that was staring you right in the face 4 years ago. Your comments are dismissed. |
Jun 17, 2023 2:53 AM
#26
| Imo I feel like each season focuses on different things, kinda like attack on titan. Season 1 felt like an adventure with slow yet satisfying progression Season 2 felt more action oriented with a bit of an emotional ending Season 3 feels like a high stakes mystery about petrification in an undercover plot The show isn't fantastic and mind-blowing or anything, but it feels fresh when compared to other shounen anime. I think if what was happening in season 1 kept going for the whole show then it would get stale and tough to watch after a while What I like about the show is the feeling of adventure u get from watching it, as a bunch of random characters get together to rebuild the world and bring every single petrified person back. Whatever happens along the way happens. (It's why I consider myself a one piece fan, I just love grand adventures.) That's the main draw in for me |
BlueberryCake22Jun 17, 2023 3:06 AM
Jun 17, 2023 3:07 AM
#27
| For a series like this to be action oriented, they need smoother animation IMO |
Jun 17, 2023 3:08 AM
#28
HaziqHK said: I personally just love the characters and the things they do specially senku Senku is one of the few I like |
Jun 17, 2023 3:16 AM
#29
BlueberryCake22 said: Imo I feel like each season focuses on different things, kinda like attack on titan. Season 1 felt like an adventure with slow yet satisfying progression Season 2 felt more action oriented with a bit of an emotional ending Season 3 feels like a high stakes mystery about petrification in an undercover plot The show isn't fantastic and mind-blowing or anything, but it feels fresh when compared to other shounen anime. I think if what was happening in season 1 kept going for the whole show then it would get stale and tough to watch after a while What I like about the show is the feeling of adventure u get from watching it, as a bunch of random characters get together to rebuild the world and bring every single petrified person back. Whatever happens along the way happens. (It's why I consider myself a one piece fan, I just love grand adventures.) That's the main draw in for me Perfectly Explained and for me personally I love shows which r not generic and trying to do something unique and new and as long as it's fun to watch I'm up for it...It has a unique concept with a decent story and good characters which goes together well with the show's theme and all combined together makes it a petty gud watch. |
Jun 17, 2023 3:24 AM
#30
kfsilver89 said: MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. Ahhh well done 👏🏼 you figured out that it’s a shonen jump series at its core. To be honest, the reason I like this series is extremely simple. I think out of all of MC’s that debuted around the same time this series came out… Senku is by far the best. Plain and simple. I’m very picky when it comes to shonen MCs. The fact we’re 3 seasons in and your issue with this series can date all the way back to when Tsukasa man handled a freaking lion. Only difference now is that are particular people in the series that are so freaking good at their particular craft to same exaggeration as Tsukasa taking on AGAIN a freaking lion!! No offense, but you lack analysis skills to completely covey your criticism of the series. Simply put… you lost interest in the series… you grew up and started to like other things in your life no shame in that but instead you use a poor attempt to make a rational argument about a problem with the show that was staring you right in the face 4 years ago. Your comments are dismissed. Well I dont think Senku is the best by any stretch, I will agree that he is different, and a fresh take on a shonen protag. Actually I can say that for the whole series, the premise is very original and pretty cool tbh, I just think it fell off pretty hard. I mean I didnt say s1 was perfect, I wasnt a fan of those aspects back then but it wasnt that big of a deal for me because it didnt happen that often (from what I remember at least). But the other aspects of the show made it super interesting for me, so tsukasa fending off a lion for me was just a "this is your villain, and he is scary" sort of thing. Like yeah its pretty goofy that an 18 year old can do that, but he is the villain who serves to challenge Senku's ideals. As for the "I grew up" part, its actually not that at all. I enjoy shonen and even some of its tropes if it is well executed. But it needs to hook me, and for me, the characters in Dr Stone were never that great besides a few exceptions, but tuat wasnt what made the show great for me. I also dont need "analysis skills" or whatever to point out the stuff I dont like about it. |
Jun 17, 2023 3:25 AM
#31
HMZYMN said: MrKessler said: Don't get me wrong, the first season was pretty great (besides the tournament), I still remember, 4 years later, the episode about Senku's dad, by far the best and most emotional in the whole show. Actually lets get out of the way and say this: everytime Senku's dad gets highlighted in episodes the show is legitimately awesome. But after watching both the second and third seasons, I have no hope this show will get good again, the progression is RIDICULOUS, in the first season everything was believable and explained, and it took time and effort for Senku to get what he needed, now its just ridiculous, stupid coincidences just so happen to give them exactly wwhat they want, and there is always just a teenager in the science group available that is the best at the thing they need, when I say the best I mean THE BEST, like for example if they need a chef, they just find a statue of a teenager who shows and its GODLIKE at cooking in a way that they would never master in our present world. And mind you I can forgive teenagers like this in normal shonen, and Jojo's and stuff like that because they don't set themselves up as a realistic show from the ground up, Dr. Stone is a show where one of the main selling points is seeing how you could actually use science in a primitive world to get to modern civilization, so I expect some degree of realism, so im not expecting every teenager to be as good as senku is at science at their field of expertise, it would've been awesome if they revived ACTUAL ADULTS that they could scout, it sucks man. Anyways back to the progression, at this point the science itself is not even interesting anymore, because what before took time to get, now Senku just gets instantly. And this happens in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE, as just one example, they make an entire railway system that goes UNDERGROUND between their settlements, hundreds of kilometres away from each other, in HALF AN EPISODE. I still remember the multiple episode journey that was getting the antibiotics in the first season and how satisfying it was to finally see it payoff, but now stuff JUST HAPPENS when the plot requires. And I understand that if every single one of these steps took multiple episodes, the show would be a slog, but the slow progression and the use of science were the most fun part of this show. Now lets get to the characters, most are super obnoxious, to me at least, and their development is almost non existent, besides Senku and his dad, I feel nothing for any of them, I like Kohaku because she's best girl and I like chrome because he's the only one with actual progression, but even that has changed and he became stale too. Every single one of them just serves their own purpose and act as a reaction for the science Senku makes, but non of the are actually interesting or likeable at all. That might be because, at this point, there's WAY TOO MANY OF THEM, like jesus christ this show has to introduce a character for every little thing. Like the bald guy near the end of this season wwho, suddenly, has connections to the island they need to go to and remembers stuff even though he was a baby when he left. And he's also super forgettable and uninteresting. Also the characters don't age, despite multiple years having pass. Anyways I could rant about how I dont like this show for ages but that's not the point of this. I want to know why so many people love it and put it on the year's top anime when, for me, its obvious everything about this show downgrades HEAVILY from the pretty great first season. i'm sorry that happened or I'm happy for you, either way I aint reading all that. Why are you here, then? |
Jun 17, 2023 3:59 AM
#32
| Personally, I love this show still. I agree that season 1 is the best, but even now I'm having a blast simply because I think the characters are a delight and the progress of this stiry is so unique, there isn't anything like it. A straight up feel good show for me. While the science stuff making it feel realistic is great, even from episode 1 I already realised you gotta have to at least be prepared for a certain amount of plotarmor/bs because we need to believe Senku has counted for over 3000 years, and at a perfect rhythm mind you because he had to know if it was spring when he woke up. Stakes are also something I'm not really expecting, because as you watch this show you realise they aren't going to just kill of a side character for shock (the season 2 ending twist does not count, the plan is literally to undo it). But when you take the show for what it is besides these things, it's just so enjoyable man. You just don't need to take it too seriously. Just a feel good anime that's unlike anything else and the groundwork of how the progress is still totally believable and intersting. The one big thing I agree with you is that there are too many characters though. I love them all but I feel like someone like Yo or Nikki are just gonna end up never really having a big moment and will just be part of thz gang, working on the science things like everyone else. This season made that aspect a little less worse for me because they randomly chose to give Ginro a lot of moments for example, who hadn't really done anything in a while, but I'm sure this will not apply to most of the other side characters in the future with this huge amount. Still though, I love the show. |
Jun 17, 2023 4:43 AM
#33
| In episode 2 they introduced a teenager who can kill a lion with one punch. The science is realistic, but the characters’ skills never have been. And of course they’ll invent new things faster the further they progress, that’s how technological advancement works. |
Jun 17, 2023 5:45 AM
#34
Austin_Bale said: Yeah for sure, but I thought those cases would be pretty rare, like only senku and Tsukasa would be like that, but I see your point. Its a shonen and stuff, but suddenly everyone being these prodigies that they are able to find in japan that each and every one can do the impossible is tiring for me. At least the characters could be interesting and have interesting dynamics, but besides Tsukasa and Senku's relationship and his dad, you find basically none of that-In episode 2 they introduced a teenager who can kill a lion with one punch. The science is realistic, but the characters’ skills never have been. And of course they’ll invent new things faster the further they progress, that’s how technological advancement works. No man, it has nothing to do with technological advancement making things faster, in season one they showed the step by step process and it took time and effort to get stuff done, but now they just explain how somethings is done, and suddenly they 3d print a bunch of them all in 5 minutes. For example in ep 5 when the cook suddenly spawns a "camera timer" saying she anticipated its one time need, and commissioned it off screen. And that's just bad writing, honestly. I wish we would see them build it , or at MINIMUM have a scene where the cook commissions it. Stuff like that happens all the time in this show. We need cameras, this is how you make them, now multiply them, cool 5 mins have passed. There's no buildup for anything anymore, like the lightbulb scene in season one. Some may say the step by step process would be boring, but I find just getting stuff instantly is way more boring. |
Jun 17, 2023 5:50 AM
#35
| Yes it's too boring to see everything he wants he gets instantly and with miracles just like in the last episode he needs platinum but kohaku brings gold dust(sand) and there's platinum in it lol seriously. |
Jun 17, 2023 7:49 PM
#36
| i watch it for the laughs and cool science things you can apparently do irl plus the mystery in the show cuz ever since the first episode there hasnt been any sort of explanation on what happend. until season 3 of course where they have a clue on how the world turned to stone. idk what you like for an anime to be good by your standards but ive been enjoying it without any problems so yeah. |
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