kaneki-ken1 said: ryzxgum said: irrelevant because he came back. when was it foreshadowed? toriyama literally said years ago that he wrote the story on a whim. yeah, training for it and suddenly mastering it mid-fight are two different things. literally Vegeta talks about the super saiyan of legend lol learn to read... Toriyama had an outline like any writers....he did not come up with many ideas on a whim but that happen with every writers... whats wrong with mastering ultra instinct mid combat? you think he was training for fun? he trained to master it and where better than in combat lol go read about martial art that's not foreshadowing, that's just speaking. do you know what foreshadowing is?? plus, stop acting like dragon ball has no plot armor, literally google it and you'll see a 1000+ results, definitely more plot armor than the big 3 combined. never happened with oda and isayama, who do actual foreshadowing. nah, more like "the story can't continue unless some asspull so let's just give him MUI, if not the story is over" yeah, i'm done wasting my time here. can't believe someone tried arguing that DB has no plot armor xD |
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ryzxgum said: kaneki-ken1 said: literally Vegeta talks about the super saiyan of legend lol learn to read... Toriyama had an outline like any writers....he did not come up with many ideas on a whim but that happen with every writers... whats wrong with mastering ultra instinct mid combat? you think he was training for fun? he trained to master it and where better than in combat lol go read about martial art that's not foreshadowing, that's just speaking. do you know what foreshadowing is?? plus, stop acting like dragon ball has no plot armor, literally google it and you'll see a 1000+ results, definitely more plot armor than the big 3 combined. never happened with oda and isayama, who do actual foreshadowing. nah, more like "the story can't continue unless some asspull so let's just give him MUI, if not the story is over" yeah, i'm done wasting my time here. can't believe someone tried arguing that DB has no plot armor xD i was not arguing about that you clown ...i was just saying you don't even know what plot armour is... |
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kaneki-ken1 said: ryzxgum said: that's not foreshadowing, that's just speaking. do you know what foreshadowing is?? plus, stop acting like dragon ball has no plot armor, literally google it and you'll see a 1000+ results, definitely more plot armor than the big 3 combined. never happened with oda and isayama, who do actual foreshadowing. nah, more like "the story can't continue unless some asspull so let's just give him MUI, if not the story is over" yeah, i'm done wasting my time here. can't believe someone tried arguing that DB has no plot armor xD i was not arguing about that you clown ...i was just saying you don't even know what plot armour is... yet here you are, still making a fool of yourself with all your definitions mixed up lmao cheers kiddo. |
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ryzxgum said: kaneki-ken1 said: i was not arguing about that you clown ...i was just saying you don't even know what plot armour is... yet here you are, still making a fool of yourself with all your definitions mixed up lmao cheers kiddo. im probably older than you ...yeah cheers virgin |
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kaneki-ken1 said: ryzxgum said: yet here you are, still making a fool of yourself with all your definitions mixed up lmao cheers kiddo. im probably older than you ...yeah cheers virgin nah, you don't know what plot armor and foreshadowing means so you're probably 12, plus you're a dragon ball fan, laters virgin-kun. |
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ryzxgum said: nah, you don't know what plot armor and foreshadowing means so you're probably 12, plus you're a dragon ball fan, laters virgin-kun. lol im 26 and i grew up watching Dragon Ball, fist of the north star and Yu yu Hakusho. you are the one that is 12 and has never seen a woman naked in your life 😭 |
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ryzxgum said: nah, you don't know what plot armor and foreshadowing means so you're probably 12, plus you're a dragon ball fan, laters virgin-kun. "kun" fucking cringe....you are a weeb too 💀 you probably jerk off to hentai and own body pillows |
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kaneki-ken1 said: ryzxgum said: nah, you don't know what plot armor and foreshadowing means so you're probably 12, plus you're a dragon ball fan, laters virgin-kun. lol im 26 and i grew up watching Dragon Ball, fist of the north star and Yu yu Hakusho. you are the one that is 12 and has never seen a woman naked in your life 😭 if you're really 26 and don't know basic definitions then that's even worse. you know what, this is just immature. i won't indulge in this childish exchange any longer. |
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ryzxgum said: kaneki-ken1 said: lol im 26 and i grew up watching Dragon Ball, fist of the north star and Yu yu Hakusho. you are the one that is 12 and has never seen a woman naked in your life 😭 if you're really 26 and don't know basic definitions then that's even worse. you know what, this is just immature. i won't indulge in this childish exchange any longer. peace 👋 was nice bantering with you while im on the bus 💀 |
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kaneki-ken1 said: ryzxgum said: if you're really 26 and don't know basic definitions then that's even worse. you know what, this is just immature. i won't indulge in this childish exchange any longer. peace 👋 was nice bantering with you while im on the bus 💀 cheers mate get home safe or wherever. |
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Kukkabro said: ryzxgum said: oh, so just like bleach, naruto, dragon ball and every other shounen ever. every shonen except vinland saga, berserk and vagabond bro what? those aren't shonens. but well yeah. |
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| I hope Luffy dies and Monkey D. John comes in to find the one piece. The show is boring without people dying every second and nothing happened pre-time skip. |
| Wait....you're telling me Shonen Protagonists have Plot-armor? o.O Dayum. That's a nice catch, my dude. |
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| Personally i find the fake deaths to be much worse. |
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| Oh gee, I wonder what it is lol.... |
| The main character is obviously at no risk of dying. Especially in a long running shounen series. This goes for most anime too. Goku dies in Dragon Ball I guess, if that counts haha. I don't think that counts though, I certainly never felt worry for him. We can bring him back to life after all. On the topic of death in One Piece, I don't think One Piece is the kind of series where characters dying all the time is really what the author wants, nor would it fit the series. Oda likes to keep characters alive, so he can bring them back later too. The lack of character death makes the ones that do happen wayyy more impactful. I think we will be seeing some deaths in the future anyways. |
FancyjasperMay 25, 2023 2:35 AM
| SO getting back to the ACTUAL TOPIC of the discussion here... I think One Piece's biggest flaw could be one of two things: 1- Zoro lacks decent character development. 2- The women in One Piece are poorly depicted/represented and oversexualized. Zoro honestly had better characterization pre-time skip in my opinion. His gags felt funny and were actually used in the show/manga, but post-time skip Zoro doesn't have a defined gag and none of his gags even feel humorous. The few lines that Zoro gets to say anymore are ungodly cringeworthy and make me feel like I'm listening to a 12-year-old boy who just discovered Three Days Grace. If Zoro had more focus and felt more like a character with deep thought and characterization rather than a flashy meathead, his place in the show would feel less awkward. When it comes to female representation in One Piece, Oda still does a great job of writing backstories for his heroines etc. However, the women in One Piece are all copy pasted versions of each other with different eye and hair colors, and maybe different hairstyles as well. Oda knows how to draw unrealistically curvy women, or obese/midget women. He doesn't seem to be able to draw varying body types for women, and many of the clothing choices for female characters post-time skip are very revealing and the panels focus too often on sexually suggestive shots/angles. As a One Piece watcher/reader, you will see Nami half naked more times than you will see her fight or even have lines in the show. Also, Oda has written questionable scenes like the one where Vivi's dad was thrilled to show a group of men (The Strawhats) where his 16-year-old daughter was naked and bathing. |
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| One Piece's biggest flaw is the fake deaths honestly as I cannot stand a writer putting so much emotional weight on a scene and then just going back on the last words and death scene altogether. Most notably the ones I can think of are Pell and Saul. I am sure there are more though... Still love one piece though. |
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rosemay18 said: Well unless you´re talking about the final arc plot armorall shonen characters have plot armour. fairy tail is the one that makes no sense at all 90% of the time. All I will say 100 Years Quest fixed that issue , Prepare to be surprised in the Anime xD & Hiro is aware some people disliked Power of Friendship |
MiraStraussFan99May 27, 2023 11:01 PM
neon_1 said: Also Kinemon xD even if he had excuse that some parts of his body was misplaced when they put him back together back in Punk Hazard he had a perfect place to die it was a unfortunate he didn´t dieOne Piece's biggest flaw is the fake deaths honestly as I cannot stand a writer putting so much emotional weight on a scene and then just going back on the last words and death scene altogether. Most notably the ones I can think of are Pell and Saul. I am sure there are more though... Still love one piece though. I´m a One Piece fan too |
Kelly32723 said: yeah, bleach and naruto needs to rely on that kinda shock value because the story/lore isn't interesting enough. but still, at least one piece and naruto killed off characters who still had a lot of potential like ace and neji. in tybw so far, all we've had is yamamoto's old lieutenant who basically offered nothing to the story, apart from that flashback before he died. and then old man yamamoto, who we could see dying any day anyway. cool fight, sure. but then it's like oh, he died. not nearly as impactful as whitebeard, ace and jiraiya's deaths. so no, characters dying just for an action anime to be good is the dumbest reply i've heard in this thread. one piece is not your generic shounen that relies on fights to be good, i guess it takes a certain level of intellect to recognize good writing. and idk what cgi has to do with anything when those cgi skeletons in tybw looked absolutely awful, ironic. if you think shock value is what makes an anime good then that childish mindset is just mad embarrasing. if you only brought up naruto, fair argument. but bleach? hilarious joke.ryzxgum said: oh, so just like bleach, naruto, dragon ball and every other shounen ever. True, but at least important characters did more often in Bleach and Naruto. I’m not a dbz fan, so I won’t defend that though. I’m not defending Naruto’s ending because that was horrible, but before that, there was solid tension. So many major characters died. There was plenty of plot armor in Naruto, but at least there was more tension. The likelihood of characters dying was noticeably higher. Compared to One Piece, where the only important characters deaths were Whitebeard and Ace, Naruto and Bleach both kill a lot of major characters that you get time to connect with. And especially in this final arc of Bleach, there’s way less plot armor and a large increase in character deaths. I’m not saying characters have to die all the time for an action anime to be good, but when everything goes right at the end of every arc, like One Piece, the fights don’t have much tension to them, no matter how good the cgi gets (and honestly, the cgi is very shaky, ranging from really high quality to 90’s quality) |
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| That is one of the most popular trops of shonen my guy, if you don't like that, then you should perhaps check out a different genre of anime. There is SO much anime out there that breaks that cliche like its nothing. In fact some MC's even die in some stories. I don't think it matters what battle shonen you watch, the MC is always going to have plot armor because the story is driven by him and some grand goal that he must achieve by the story's end. |
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