Anna x Takt

Dec 15, 2021 3:25 AM

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nevergain said:
It's not much of a surprise if you've been trying to find hints from trailers of its upcoming mobile game.

Yo! that changes my pov 100%, thats... how can I call it? amazing? Im very surprised with Anna in the main role, also F for Titan, maybe in the next arc/world/campaign?

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Dec 15, 2021 3:42 AM

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Honestly a good surprise, I wasn't shipping anyone (Although I thought some romantic relationship would bloom between Takt x Destiny) but I felt it was appropriate even more so because Takt demonstrated that he isn't really planning on coming back safely. And I don't get those who say "She didn't have any feelings for him" bitch the woman cared for him for a long time after he lost his father, how can you say she wouldn't develop any feelings in that time. My guess is that both Anna and Cossete had feelings for him but didn't know how to approach it properly but since she felt it might be the last time they see each other she went for it (Or she thought that maybe showing her feelings would make him consider that coming back alive might be a good thing to aim for)

Dec 15, 2021 5:02 AM

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I raised my score from a 4 to a 5, legit couldn’t stop laughing for an hour straight long after watching this.

Dec 15, 2021 5:19 AM

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Personally I like the Anna x Takt ship. Sure from the start we all were shipping Destiny/Cosette x Takt but if you ask me I prefer Cosette x Takt rather than Destiny x Takt, Destiny is a whole different person than Cosette, we don't even know if Destiny likes Takt, although it kinda felt like Destiny was jealous after that kiss considering the conversation she had with Takt in that tunnel before meeting Heaven and Hell. Also just because Takt liked Cosette doesn't mean he likes Destiny too, only their bodies are same but they are a whole different person on inside. Considering how Takt kissed back I think its safe to say he likes Anna too, we can't say for sure though, I mean they didn't give us any hint that Anna liked Takt in the previous episodes.The kiss was unexpected but its not like it wasn't welcome. At this point I don't really care who Takt chooses, but it sure as hell gonnna be tough on him. Just one more episode and we will find out soon enough.

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Dec 15, 2021 5:22 AM

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iisanvanku said:
I don’t know why you felt the need to comment. You seem to competent enough to formulate complete thoughts and address my points one by one. If you want to debate on this further, my Discord is iisan#5610. Friend me, and we can vc, but I don’t think we should fill the comments anymore than we already have.

that's quite a bold proposition.
I am curious in further understanding your reasoning. My username is slightly different in discord, but it's similar enough that I trust you'll figure it out

I will explain my logic a bit further since I think that we fundamentally approach film in different ways. To me there is no correct way to approach film. I try to do it objectively, and so I will only engage in debates that tend to have some objective foundation. I don't care about someone's opinion and I encourage people to do what they want to do and express themselves as frankly as they can without feeling marginalised or looked down upon. I will of course challenge any objective statements that I perceive to be incorrect but I try to respect the opinions of anyone I see online and in person.
Although that said this discussion isn't quite so objective.

I disagree with the idea that the only reason you should watch things you hate is because you want to be a reviewer/writer. Anyone can do what they want.

iisanvanku said:
It seems that no matter what I say, people always misinterpret it

That's because you speak in absolutes rather than allowing room for freedom. Instead of saying "the correct way is X" you need to acknowledge your argument for what it is - your incredibly subjective opinion - and state "I think people should do X". I now understand your intent was far less forceful and arrogant than how it was worded, but (to be a bit pretentious and arrogant myself) wars have been fought over poorly worded statements.

Most people don't understand the logic behind watching things they don't enjoy. If someone is watching a show, telling them "don't like don't watch" is incredibly condescending. I will - and so will anyone else you say this to - watch what I want to watch regardless of some rando on the internet. There is no good context to be throwing around that phrase because it comes with the assumption that the person you're telling it to hasn't already considered exactly that.
Instead it is always used as a blanket against criticism. Always. Someone gives a critique of a show and the person responding will say "well if you don't like it don't watch" as if that someone makes the flaws of a show irrelevant?
Critiquing media is an art form within itself. If someone doesn't want to participate in that discussion, then they should just not respond instead of saying "hurr durr don't like don't watch". You don't have to be a professional to critique media. Anyone with a brain can do it. I don't see the need to be so elitist and exclude anyone who doesn't have a job reviewing media from the critical discussion

Dec 15, 2021 5:38 AM

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kingplayer said:
Honestly a good surprise, I wasn't shipping anyone (Although I thought some romantic relationship would bloom between Takt x Destiny) but I felt it was appropriate even more so because Takt demonstrated that he isn't really planning on coming back safely.

So you're arguing that it's good because it makes the ending feel more powerful? Why did it need to be Anna though?

kingplayer said:
And I don't get those who say "She didn't have any feelings for him" bitch the woman cared for him for a long time after he lost his father, how can you say she wouldn't develop any feelings in that time.

Have you heard of a platonic/parental relationship? Geeze can weebs not comprehend anything beyond romantic love?
The problem isn't even necessarily that she shouldn't have feelings, but that they haven't been established or developed until now. This is a nothing relationship because it's got no development underneath it. Whereas a romantic relationship with Destiny/Cosette would be supported by the show thus far, and would actually be a payoff on their development. It would actually be intellectually and emotionally fulfilling.

kingplayer said:
My guess is that both Anna and Cossete had feelings for him but didn't know how to approach it properly but since she felt it might be the last time they see each other she went for it (Or she thought that maybe showing her feelings would make him consider that coming back alive might be a good thing to aim for)

you're free to speculate but her motivations aren't the issue here, but the aforementioned lack of development.

Dec 15, 2021 6:26 AM

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I don’t mind it assuming we get some back story on them eventually. I always felt like there was valid reason to expect Anna has feelings for Takt. Why else would she go to such great lengths for him? We don’t know much about their past but idk just if a “childhood friend” would go to the lengths she has for himc bc throughout the show. But obviously I don’t think Takt has those same feelings…

Dec 15, 2021 6:36 AM

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I thought they had more of a sibling relationship and still I don't really ship them both.

Dec 15, 2021 7:15 AM

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im so glad im not the only one who hates this dumbass anna ship

Dec 15, 2021 7:28 AM

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theGodde said:
So you're arguing that it's good because it makes the ending feel more powerful? Why did it need to be Anna though?

Yes, exactly that, that's the way they're trying to bring emotion to the last episode, I'm not saying it's the best way to do so, but still a way and in my opinion taking into account how she cared for him for years it's justifiable that she'd develop sentiments for him.

theGodde said:
Have you heard of a platonic/parental relationship? Geeze can weebs not comprehend anything beyond romantic love?

Yes I've heard of them but you rarely see it in anime so I think there's nothing wrong with assuming a couple might bloom from an old relationship like those 2 might in the future. And what's your point in bringing it up, the show has established that she has romantic and not platonic feelings for him, I'm not speculating that their relationship isn't/shouldn't be platonic, I'm talking about how the show made it a romantic thing.

theGodde said:
The problem isn't even necessarily that she shouldn't have feelings, but that they haven't been established or developed until now. This is a nothing relationship because it's got no development underneath it. Whereas a romantic relationship with Destiny/Cosette would be supported by the show thus far, and would actually be a payoff on their development. It would actually be intellectually and emotionally fulfilling.

I wouldn't say their relationship didn't develop throughout the show, yes she may not have made any romantic advances thus far but still they've been through a lot together and she's shown how deeply she cares for him in a number of occasions. And I get what you're saying about a development with Destiny being more favorable but I feel it wouldn't be as good, yes they got closer and have been together for some time but Takt didn't have explicit romantic feelings for Cossete (AFAIK) and even if he had she doesn't exist anymore and making some development with Destiny would be like saying "here's your replacement Cossete, be happy because she's the 'same' as the girl you loved" (The show has established that no memory from Cossete remains inside Destiny). My point is that making a couple out of people who care a lot about each other isn't wrong, making and advance now to bring emotion to the last episode is a way of doing things and lastly making them a couple now wouldn't be unjustified since they do have a long past together and bottled feeling could come out in that kind of situations (The guy might be about to die so she might've felt the need to open up).

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Dec 15, 2021 8:07 AM

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takt x Ana is rubbish, I thought that Ana was like an older sister to him, hahaha they are shit

Dec 15, 2021 9:35 AM

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Hanemiyakazutora said:
takt x Ana is rubbish, I thought that Ana was like an older sister to him, hahaha they are shit

A very convincing argument indeed

Dec 15, 2021 9:49 AM

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So stupid and the most unnecessary kiss I've seen in recent memory. I feel like the clown scriptwriter cheaply added it solely for ship wars and to get more people talking/attention. I'm not even a shipper and I thought it was ridiculous. At no stage in the last ten episodes prior to this one, was there evidence or suggestions that there was affection of this sort between the two lol

This scriptwriter can only somewhat, and I mean SOMEWHAT, redeem him/herself by killing off Takt, the worst MC since Makoto from School Days.

How long is this crap gonna go on for anyway? Please let this end soon.

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Dec 16, 2021 12:37 AM

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Actually i have no problem. They look good together. Distiny us good but she os more like a robot. As a potential partner anna is good. But destiny is also good. I have no problem with her

Dec 16, 2021 3:19 AM

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- Seeing this picture everywhere i go.

It feels the relationship is more of sister/brother than romantic. There wasnt enough scene to convince that there is a romance/relationship between the two.

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Dec 18, 2021 8:29 PM

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kingplayer said:

theGodde said:
So you're arguing that it's good because it makes the ending feel more powerful? Why did it need to be Anna though?

For most people with a functioning brain, having an emotional moment that is unearned and unsupported by the show does not increase the stakes and power of the final battle. As you can clearly see just from this thread alone - many, many people were distracted by this decision to the point where it actually undercut the tension and investment of the final battle.

kingplayer said:

theGodde said:
Have you heard of a platonic/parental relationship? Geeze can weebs not comprehend anything beyond romantic love?

"It's rarely in anime" doesn't justify a situation where they created a clear platonic relationship that had no development on the romance whatsoever (she was literally setting him and Destiny up on a date barely an episode or two ago - why would she do that if she herself had feelings for him?)
We are here arguing that she shouldn't have had that kiss, and you are using the kiss to retroactively justify itself. If that isn't circular logic then what is?

kingplayer said:

This is why I had to question your ability to distinguish between romantic and platonic relationships. They are not the same thing and claiming there is development on a platonic relationship does not translate into development on a romantic relationship unless the show has taken time to demonstrate how some of those platonic feelings have evolved into romantic ones. Which this Takt OP Destiny has not bothered to do whatsoever.

kingplayer said:
And I get what you're saying about a development with Destiny being more favorable but I feel it wouldn't be as good

In what universe is a spontaneous relationship reveal better than a well developed organic relationship that has been slowly progressing since the second episode?

kingplayer said:
yes they got closer and have been together for some time but Takt didn't have explicit romantic feelings for Cossete (AFAIK) and even if he had she doesn't exist anymore and making some development with Destiny would be like saying "here's your replacement Cossete, be happy because she's the 'same' as the girl you loved" (The show has established that no memory from Cossete remains inside Destiny)

The latest few episodes have literally been an exploration of Takt figuring out how to relate to Destiny - who she is and whether he loves her or loves Cosette.
From the piano sequence in episode 2 there should be no doubt he at least felt something towards Cosette. Sure the show took 6 episodes to finally touch the subject again, but it made it clear that Takt throughout the show has slowly being growing to appreciate Destiny as her own person. Someone who is not Cosette, but is still deserving of love and affection nonetheless. This is the emotional heart of the entire story and you have completely missed it.

kingplayer said:
My point is that making a couple out of people who care a lot about each other isn't wrong, making and advance now to bring emotion to the last episode is a way of doing things and lastly making them a couple now wouldn't be unjustified since they do have a long past together and bottled feeling could come out in that kind of situations (The guy might be about to die so she might've felt the need to open up).

And my point is that forced emotional moments are often worse than if they hadn't been there at all. I will reiterate again and again as many times as it takes. This show established Takt and Anna's relationship as clearly platonic. There is evidence in pretty much every episode of the show, culminating in episode 9 with Anna setting up Takt and Destiny on a secret date.

And even the show isn't sticking with it. It's literally just being used as a cheap synthetic emotional moment. Destiny talks to Takt about the kiss in a somewhat jealous and teasing tone, which suggests to us that Destiny still likes Takt and since they're leaving together, there will be ample chances for further development of their actually developed romantic relationship to continue.

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