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Oct 27, 2020 4:11 PM
#101
KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: I can't even go on Twitter or Reddit without somebody shitting on DB, I feel like nowadays nobody respects the vets like Yu Yu Hakasho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo's would be getting the same treatment if not for the latest anime If you haven't watched an anime or haven't read the manga, please don't speak shit about it. I still really enjoy OG DB and even Z but there are glaring flaws (mainly in Z) like for instance death being of no consequence. Though I find it funny you say JoJo gets more respect because of a new anime is funny since DB also got a new anime and I think that hurt it's reputation with some fans if anything. The other cases it really is just older media in any medium is not going to be brought up by the mainstream or popular crowd. What is current is what gets talked about and that has always been true. Underrated as in people calling the plot shit. Jojo got a reboot, Super is a continuation fanservice, not a reboot There was also DBZ Kai which was a reboot. That only finished five years ago. As for the first case yeah.... it's a flawed work and most big action/adventure battle shonen get plenty of flack. Reboot as in re-animation from the beginning to end That's oddly specific in large most of the Western fandom hasn't seen OG DB and their opinions are very much from Z. That is also the part that gets critiqued the most. How is DB getting a remake going offset the problems people have with Z? Idk people just love to hate for no reason Buddy I do have reasons to dislike some of the things DB did. It's not blind hate. Plenty of people have various opinions on why they don't like some of the decisions of the series. That's true for any media work. You can handwave any critique as just haters but there are people who will give you a well thought critique of it. This just starts to come off as you being sensitive for more than anything either to critique regarding DB or the fact most new fans are chasing new relevant content out there they can socialize with people on. See everytime I ask them they don't give an answer they just give a salty reply, it's like their angry about something so I think it's just clear hate but idk maybe I'm blinded by nostalgia I mean where are you posting lol. You aren't going to get much meaningful or insightful conversation in most internet communities that is true for any series not DB. Battle shonen tend to have some of the worst communities as well. Secondly I am not telling you to go denigrate a series you care about. I am just saying not everyone is just hating on DB. There are critiques maybe those don't bother you. That's true for my favorites. That said I don't really see that much hate towards DB from new fans. Most of them are talking or bashing stuff like MHA or Demon Slayer. DB mostly gets talked about at all by older fans or people already up to watch older titles. Woah lol On Twitter all the new fans love MHA and hate DB same as Reddit I don't think you have been where I have been. MHA S4 was getting bashed for implied animation issues and most people feeling disinterested in the story. I rarely see a thread at all on DB/DBZ on reddit but every week you will get a few "hey am I the only one who thinks Demon Slayer is overrated/trash". If you could remember, on the rare chance you do see a Dragon Ball thread, what does it say? It's usually just watch orders on reddit because most people for some reason want to skip DB (the best part) and get to Z or Super. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:12 PM
#102
TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: I can't even go on Twitter or Reddit without somebody shitting on DB, I feel like nowadays nobody respects the vets like Yu Yu Hakasho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo's would be getting the same treatment if not for the latest anime If you haven't watched an anime or haven't read the manga, please don't speak shit about it. I still really enjoy OG DB and even Z but there are glaring flaws (mainly in Z) like for instance death being of no consequence. Though I find it funny you say JoJo gets more respect because of a new anime is funny since DB also got a new anime and I think that hurt it's reputation with some fans if anything. The other cases it really is just older media in any medium is not going to be brought up by the mainstream or popular crowd. What is current is what gets talked about and that has always been true. Underrated as in people calling the plot shit. Jojo got a reboot, Super is a continuation fanservice, not a reboot There was also DBZ Kai which was a reboot. That only finished five years ago. As for the first case yeah.... it's a flawed work and most big action/adventure battle shonen get plenty of flack. Reboot as in re-animation from the beginning to end That's oddly specific in large most of the Western fandom hasn't seen OG DB and their opinions are very much from Z. That is also the part that gets critiqued the most. How is DB getting a remake going offset the problems people have with Z? Idk people just love to hate for no reason Buddy I do have reasons to dislike some of the things DB did. It's not blind hate. Plenty of people have various opinions on why they don't like some of the decisions of the series. That's true for any media work. You can handwave any critique as just haters but there are people who will give you a well thought critique of it. This just starts to come off as you being sensitive for more than anything either to critique regarding DB or the fact most new fans are chasing new relevant content out there they can socialize with people on. See everytime I ask them they don't give an answer they just give a salty reply, it's like their angry about something so I think it's just clear hate but idk maybe I'm blinded by nostalgia I mean where are you posting lol. You aren't going to get much meaningful or insightful conversation in most internet communities that is true for any series not DB. Battle shonen tend to have some of the worst communities as well. Secondly I am not telling you to go denigrate a series you care about. I am just saying not everyone is just hating on DB. There are critiques maybe those don't bother you. That's true for my favorites. That said I don't really see that much hate towards DB from new fans. Most of them are talking or bashing stuff like MHA or Demon Slayer. DB mostly gets talked about at all by older fans or people already up to watch older titles. Woah lol On Twitter all the new fans love MHA and hate DB same as Reddit I don't think you have been where I have been. MHA S4 was getting bashed for implied animation issues and most people feeling disinterested in the story. I rarely see a thread at all on DB/DBZ on reddit but every week you will get a few "hey am I the only one who thinks Demon Slayer is overrated/trash". If you could remember, on the rare chance you do see a Dragon Ball thread, what does it say? It's usually just watch orders on reddit because most people for some reason want to skip DB (the best part) and get to Z or Super. Ahh same people who skip Marvel phase 1-3 to get to 4 and get that Endgame/Infinity War hype lol |
Oct 27, 2020 4:17 PM
#103
KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: TolkienFan365 said: KingPiccolo said: I can't even go on Twitter or Reddit without somebody shitting on DB, I feel like nowadays nobody respects the vets like Yu Yu Hakasho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo's would be getting the same treatment if not for the latest anime If you haven't watched an anime or haven't read the manga, please don't speak shit about it. I still really enjoy OG DB and even Z but there are glaring flaws (mainly in Z) like for instance death being of no consequence. Though I find it funny you say JoJo gets more respect because of a new anime is funny since DB also got a new anime and I think that hurt it's reputation with some fans if anything. The other cases it really is just older media in any medium is not going to be brought up by the mainstream or popular crowd. What is current is what gets talked about and that has always been true. Underrated as in people calling the plot shit. Jojo got a reboot, Super is a continuation fanservice, not a reboot There was also DBZ Kai which was a reboot. That only finished five years ago. As for the first case yeah.... it's a flawed work and most big action/adventure battle shonen get plenty of flack. Reboot as in re-animation from the beginning to end That's oddly specific in large most of the Western fandom hasn't seen OG DB and their opinions are very much from Z. That is also the part that gets critiqued the most. How is DB getting a remake going offset the problems people have with Z? Idk people just love to hate for no reason Buddy I do have reasons to dislike some of the things DB did. It's not blind hate. Plenty of people have various opinions on why they don't like some of the decisions of the series. That's true for any media work. You can handwave any critique as just haters but there are people who will give you a well thought critique of it. This just starts to come off as you being sensitive for more than anything either to critique regarding DB or the fact most new fans are chasing new relevant content out there they can socialize with people on. See everytime I ask them they don't give an answer they just give a salty reply, it's like their angry about something so I think it's just clear hate but idk maybe I'm blinded by nostalgia I mean where are you posting lol. You aren't going to get much meaningful or insightful conversation in most internet communities that is true for any series not DB. Battle shonen tend to have some of the worst communities as well. Secondly I am not telling you to go denigrate a series you care about. I am just saying not everyone is just hating on DB. There are critiques maybe those don't bother you. That's true for my favorites. That said I don't really see that much hate towards DB from new fans. Most of them are talking or bashing stuff like MHA or Demon Slayer. DB mostly gets talked about at all by older fans or people already up to watch older titles. Woah lol On Twitter all the new fans love MHA and hate DB same as Reddit I don't think you have been where I have been. MHA S4 was getting bashed for implied animation issues and most people feeling disinterested in the story. I rarely see a thread at all on DB/DBZ on reddit but every week you will get a few "hey am I the only one who thinks Demon Slayer is overrated/trash". If you could remember, on the rare chance you do see a Dragon Ball thread, what does it say? It's usually just watch orders on reddit because most people for some reason want to skip DB (the best part) and get to Z or Super. Ahh same people who skip Marvel phase 1-3 to get to 4 and get that Endgame/Infinity War hype lol It's more that people want to watch DB for the big spectacle fights or the fact since most of the Western fandom only cares about DBZ people have this assumption DB is worse. So I guess people are surprised that often outside of the dedicated fanbase to Z and Super you find the opposite opinion. Or it's just people not liking the comedic/gag nature of Pilaf and wanting to move again on to something "cooler". You see this with plenty of long running action shonen. Like another dumb comment I saw on reddit was someone asking if they could skip all of Naruto Part 1. At that point if you feel it's too long and don't want to make the commitment just don't watch it. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:18 PM
#104
Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:20 PM
#105
WhiteTheWrong said: Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. I remember back in the day when everybody would call Yu Yu Hakasho a Dragon Ball clone, Naruto a Hunter x Hunter clone, Bleach a Yu Yu Hakasho clone, this that and the third |
Oct 27, 2020 4:21 PM
#106
WhiteTheWrong said: Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. well arent most shounen are called dragon ball clones lol. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:25 PM
#107
Darkraii said: WhiteTheWrong said: Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. well arent most shounen are called dragon ball clones lol. Actually not really, most Shounen are actually called One Piece and Naruto clones. The "I wanna become the king of my world, I'm gonna believe in myself!" Type of story. Replicating Dragon Ball is kind of difficult and I haven't seen as much copies of Dragon Ball as I've seen of One Piece and Naruto. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:33 PM
#108
KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:33 PM
#109
Darkraii said: WhiteTheWrong said: Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. well arent most shounen are called dragon ball clones lol. Not hardly. Some draw inspiration from it but story, plot and characters not like. |
Oct 27, 2020 4:45 PM
#110
BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. It depends, I usually can't explain to people who think My Hero is the best piece of literature of all time. It's easier to explain to people who have more experience with anime |
Oct 27, 2020 4:57 PM
#111
Darkraii said: WhiteTheWrong said: Darkraii said: No one respects Yu Yu Haksuho, Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, and Jojo? what are you on???? There was some trash talk about hakusho growing up now that I remember. Stupid kids used to call it a dbz clone. I kinda chalk that up to dumbass kids tho lol. well arent most shounen are called dragon ball clones lol. 3x3 Eyes is the best seinen DB clone and it is a crime it was never fully adapted to anime. It would have stood on the same podium with hkn, dB, Jojo, Saint Seiya etc. If is as if DB had a serious plot and an interesting story embracing asian mythology, plus romance and a protagonist that gets beaten to a pulp. If it was labelled as shonen, it would have been my favourite |
Oct 27, 2020 5:13 PM
#112
KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. It depends, I usually can't explain to people who think My Hero is the best piece of literature of all time. It's easier to explain to people who have more experience with anime Having a lot of experience with anime has nothing to do with knowing (and explaining) what makes a good plot. You seem to be evading the question... |
Oct 27, 2020 5:21 PM
#113
BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: WhiteTheWrong said: The hell you talking about? DB far from underrated. Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get trash talked because it's criminally underrated nowadays. It's getting underrated in this very thread. The plot always gets downplayedyed Why do you think DB has a good plot?.. This proves my point right here, it has a better plot than most anime out there I think the problem with DB isn't that it has a plot as bad as the lowest of lows of anime plots. But there is a population that praises it wrongly. Why do you think DragonBall has a good plot? Maybe we can discuss it. It depends, I usually can't explain to people who think My Hero is the best piece of literature of all time. It's easier to explain to people who have more experience with anime Having a lot of experience with anime has nothing to do with knowing (and explaining) what makes a good plot. You seem to be evading the question... No matter what I say you're going to claim it's bad. I can't explain to certain type of fans so I usually just wait until they watch a variety of anime. |
Oct 27, 2020 5:27 PM
#114
kiwixcoke said: How is Dragon Ballz 'underrated' talking shit has nothing to do with the terms of viewership DBZ has.. More viewership > more people talking shit, that's just how it works. but that's what I mean, underrated in terms of plot |
Oct 27, 2020 5:32 PM
#115
kiwixcoke said: KingPiccolo said: kiwixcoke said: How is Dragon Ballz 'underrated' talking shit has nothing to do with the terms of viewership DBZ has.. More viewership > more people talking shit, that's just how it works. but that's what I mean, underrated in terms of plot I mean, the plot can be good but it still has 100's of episodes lol not everyone is going to stick around I get that, I just don't like the amount of crap it gets compared to other series |
Oct 27, 2020 5:46 PM
#116
@KingPiccolo I am trying as hard as I can to be open, and I've watched a variety of anime. I am not going to say it is bad whatever you say, there are good reasons to appreciate DragonBall. And there are bad reasons to appreciate DragonBall. Are you judging me because I haven't watched enough anime? I don't understand. |
Oct 27, 2020 5:49 PM
#117
BiDiGiN said: @KingPiccolo I am trying as hard as I can to be open, and I've watched a variety of anime. I am not going to say it is bad whatever you say, there are good reasons to appreciate DragonBall. And there are bad reasons to appreciate DragonBall. Are you judging me because I haven't watched enough anime? I don't understand. Idk man it's just you have to watch Dragon Ball to criticize it same with any other media |
Oct 27, 2020 5:53 PM
#118
KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: @KingPiccolo I am trying as hard as I can to be open, and I've watched a variety of anime. I am not going to say it is bad whatever you say, there are good reasons to appreciate DragonBall. And there are bad reasons to appreciate DragonBall. Are you judging me because I haven't watched enough anime? I don't understand. Idk man it's just you have to watch Dragon Ball to criticize it same with any other media Oh ok! Well.. I've finished reading DragonBall very recently (3-4 months ago) so we can talk about it perfectly! |
Oct 27, 2020 7:58 PM
#119
BiDiGiN said: KingPiccolo said: BiDiGiN said: @KingPiccolo I am trying as hard as I can to be open, and I've watched a variety of anime. I am not going to say it is bad whatever you say, there are good reasons to appreciate DragonBall. And there are bad reasons to appreciate DragonBall. Are you judging me because I haven't watched enough anime? I don't understand. Idk man it's just you have to watch Dragon Ball to criticize it same with any other media Oh ok! Well.. I've finished reading DragonBall very recently (3-4 months ago) so we can talk about it perfectly! I guess it wasn't the series for you because you speak on it like it's your least liked anime |
Oct 27, 2020 8:37 PM
#120
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