| I was thinking about it since Mob Psycho ended. Despite everything Mob tell his opponents about how power doesnt make you special or give you the right to control people -> doesnt Mob always end up using power to enforce his beliefs. sure he always tries to talk adversaries down first, and violence is mobs last solution, but the truth is that it is his power that forces opponents to submit to his way of thinking at the end of the day. Of course this is partly because Mob Psycho is a battle shonen and might makes right is just how things go in battle shonens, but isnt it ironic? What do yall think about this? |
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| In the last and one of the most important he didnt use the power to submit his beliefs, and we can see that cuz he just use 100% and not ??? |
| I think it's simply good vs evil, that there is no complicated answer or deeper meaning, it's just not that type of anime. We could theory craft various justifications to eventually lead to a rational conclusion for Mob, but it still wouldn't be from Mob. |
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Tiago_KT said: In the last and one of the most important he didnt use the power to submit his beliefs, and we can see that cuz he just use 100% and not ??? didnt Mon use his powers tho. he wouldnt have even been able to get the final boss (whose name i am forgetting) to listen to a single word he said if he wasnt super powerful. Even the final act of kindness was only achievable because Mob is so powerful. So i would argue that mobs power was massively important in that conflict as well |
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Lunilah said: I think it's simply good vs evil, that there is no complicated answer or deeper meaning, it's just not that type of anime. We could theory craft various justifications to eventually lead to a rational conclusion for Mob, but it still wouldn't be from Mob. Mob psycho is not about good vs evil at all. Its mostly about entitlement and what it means to try and be a better person or a ''complete'' person. |
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ComboSmooth said: Which is entirely facilitated by good vs evil, at least for Mob.Lunilah said: I think it's simply good vs evil, that there is no complicated answer or deeper meaning, it's just not that type of anime. We could theory craft various justifications to eventually lead to a rational conclusion for Mob, but it still wouldn't be from Mob. Mob psycho is not about good vs evil at all. Its mostly about entitlement and what it means to try and be a better person. |
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Lunilah said: ComboSmooth said: Which is entirely facilitated by good vs evil, at least for Mob.Mob psycho is not about good vs evil at all. Its mostly about entitlement and what it means to try and be a better person. really its not... mob never once views anyone as evil. Merely misguided. And by the end of it, he guides them into the light as reigan did for him. Mob is not about black and white distinctions like good and evil at all. the concepts arent really even raised in the series |
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ComboSmooth said: Tiago_KT said: In the last and one of the most important he didnt use the power to submit his beliefs, and we can see that cuz he just use 100% and not ??? didnt Mon use his powers tho. he wouldnt have even been able to get the final boss (whose name i am forgetting) to listen to a single word he said if he wasnt super powerful. Even the final act of kindness was only achievable because Mob is so powerful. So i would argue that mobs power was massively important in that conflict as well You can think in another way, only equal people who have been in the same position can understand each other |
ComboSmooth said: I don't mean literally. What you describe is good vs evil, what it means to be a better person aka morally good as opposed to the morally bad. Lunilah said: Which is entirely facilitated by good vs evil, at least for Mob. really its not... mob never once views anyone as evil. Merely misguided. And by the end of it, he guides them into the light as reigan did for him. Mob is not about black and white distinctions like good and evil at all. the concepts arent really even raised in the series |
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Tiago_KT said: ComboSmooth said: didnt Mon use his powers tho. he wouldnt have even been able to get the final boss (whose name i am forgetting) to listen to a single word he said if he wasnt super powerful. Even the final act of kindness was only achievable because Mob is so powerful. So i would argue that mobs power was massively important in that conflict as well You can think in another way, only equal people who have been in the same position can understand each other Indeed and this idea relates back to the topic of the discussion. Mob always tells people he is just a normal guy and not all the special. This gets stated all the time. However in mob pyscho, and probably like in real life, if you dont have some form of power you might never even be able to get your message across. |
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| I don't think he forces almost anyone to think like him, most of the times they change after he shows kindness towards the other or when Reigen uses his logic, let's not forget how Reigen is called sensei by a lot of people because of his ways. Both are characters that have a lot of influence, and sometimes, they just forced themselves. Mob uses force only to be able to talk to the other one, that is one important thing you shouldn't forget, the powers in this show are just an extreme way of showing people in a similar position and how they handle themselves and how they interact with each other. The battles are just some very extreme arguments. Also, both of them felt despair, defeat or sadness at some point. Just as a side note. |
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Lunilah said: ComboSmooth said: I don't mean literally. What you describe is good vs evil, what it means to be a better person aka morally good as opposed to the morally bad. really its not... mob never once views anyone as evil. Merely misguided. And by the end of it, he guides them into the light as reigan did for him. Mob is not about black and white distinctions like good and evil at all. the concepts arent really even raised in the series I see. Mob does deal with morality, but id still say that its not the focus. Mob is forced to stop people who would do harm to others which is morally bad, but the main focus is their reasoning for being that way and how mob can help them overcome poor mentalities. And a poor mentality isnt necessarily a moral problem. |
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ComboSmooth said: Agreed it's not the focus, but it's the resolution of conflict every time. There is always going to be reason in any story that has this type of narrative, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a story. The reason i think it's nothing deep is precisely because everything is spelled out for us and never asks any hard or complicated questions, but what it does have is good characterization (aside from the final villain in my opinion) which might make things seem different on first viewing.Lunilah said: I don't mean literally. What you describe is good vs evil, what it means to be a better person aka morally good as opposed to the morally bad. I see. Mob does deal with morality, but id still say that its not the focus. Mob is forced to stop people who would do harm to others which is morally bad, but the main focus is their reasoning for being that way and how mob can help them overcome poor mentalities. And a poor mentality isnt necessarily a moral problem. 'poor mentality' almost always results in moral conflicts. |
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DaCraziGuy said: I don't think he forces almost anyone to think like him, most of the times they change after he shows kindness towards the other or when Reigen uses his logic, let's not forget how Reigen is called sensei by a lot of people because of his ways. Both are characters that have a lot of influence, and sometimes, they just forced themselves. Mob uses force only to be able to talk to the other one, that is one important thing you shouldn't forget, the powers in this show are just an extreme way of showing people in a similar position and how they handle themselves and how they interact with each other. The battles are just some very extreme arguments. Also, both of them felt despair, defeat or sadness at some point. Just as a side note. But no one listens to mob when he speaks, it is only when hes forced to show his strength that people start to listen. Almost as if Mob is only worth listening to because he is so powerful. Even reigans influence comes as an extension of mobs power. People know how powerful Mob is, so assume reigan is powerful too. Or the scar members listen to reigan because he beat them using mobs powers. |
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| influence is always defined by how much power one has or was given. Everything past that is based off of opinions and conclusions made from experience with that individual. Respect has to be built from somewhere, otherwise the level of respect you give someone will be based on their appearance (and you know how Mob looks). everything else i have to say was already said by DaCraziGuy |
Loonitick said: influence is always defined by how much power one has or was given. Everything past that is based off of opinions and conclusions made from experience with that individual. Respect has to be built from somewhere, otherwise the level of respect you give someone will be based on their appearance (and you know how Mob looks). everything else i have to say was already said by DaCraziGuy I think thats true, but i dont think mob psycho ever addresses this line of thinking. It mightve helped to strengthen the credibility of the shows varying messages if it did, i dunno. |
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ComboSmooth said: Tiago_KT said: You can think in another way, only equal people who have been in the same position can understand each other Indeed and this idea relates back to the topic of the discussion. Mob always tells people he is just a normal guy and not all the special. This gets stated all the time. However in mob pyscho, and probably like in real life, if you dont have some form of power you might never even be able to get your message across. When they say that, i always think of that like "you dont are superior just because you have super powers" or "i can do whatever i want just because i have super powers", but that is just my understanding of the show. |
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| The broccoli arc kind of delves into that. That power cannot make ppl succumb to your ideology is more of a viewpoint that the main protagonist holds than a message that the story is trying to say, if that makes sense. Could be a mild spoiler for broccoli and ??? arc but I'm not really describing the actual events here. The point is probably if mob wasnt a person with a heart of gold, he wouldnt have been able to convince his rivals/enemies to change their mind even though he is omnipotent. At the end of the day, power still isnt everything. Reigen doesnt have any power. But he uses his charisma, intelligence, kindness etc to make it through. Maybe those quailities can also be counted as "powers". All in all, being extremely talented in one field doesnt automatically grant you a superior status. You still have to work on your flaws in order to be recognized by people around you. |
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ComboSmooth said: Forcing them to listen is not the same as forcing them to change. In the show the never said that power is useless, they say it's just a trait and that there are a lot of more important things, also that power alone does nothing. That is why there is no contradiction there.DaCraziGuy said: I don't think he forces almost anyone to think like him, most of the times they change after he shows kindness towards the other or when Reigen uses his logic, let's not forget how Reigen is called sensei by a lot of people because of his ways. Both are characters that have a lot of influence, and sometimes, they just forced themselves. Mob uses force only to be able to talk to the other one, that is one important thing you shouldn't forget, the powers in this show are just an extreme way of showing people in a similar position and how they handle themselves and how they interact with each other. The battles are just some very extreme arguments. Also, both of them felt despair, defeat or sadness at some point. Just as a side note. But no one listens to mob when he speaks, it is only when hes forced to show his strength that people start to listen. Almost as if Mob is only worth listening to because he is so powerful. Even reigans influence comes as an extension of mobs power. People know how powerful Mob is, so assume reigan is powerful too. Or the scar members listen to reigan because he beat them using mobs powers. |
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