Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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SumRndmPenguin said: She was probably going to try every single scenario. She wasn't lying when she said "Best possible route", but Subaru's situation is kinda like the Traveling Salesman Problem. There are probably hundreds of different routes that Subaru could go down, and even though Subaru has higher mental stability than a lot of people, we've only seen around 10-15 routes so far, and there were already routes like the rabbit one or episode 15. Imagine how many routes similar or worse than those would be there. *Insert realization while I'm writing* He would either go insane, which Echidna would probably prevent, or he would become just like Roswaal. Thanks buddy, that helps a lot. |
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| Where do i even start/begin? at the start, so yeah, subaru came back to the trial and he started hearing some weird voice that sounded exactly like his and then he was showed all his deaths. This was really interesting, because in the last episode, one of the things most people didnt talk much about was what roswall said about Subaru restarting, he said that his current self would die and a new him would live the new cycle, he didnt say it in these exact same words, but it was basically that. It really had me thinking, like man! all those people in those alternative realities really died, like, theirselves died, but another him/her is living the new reality. And this episode really showed that all subaru's deaths had consequences too. At least that's a possibility, it might just be all made up in his mind although i dont think it is. This brings me to my next point which is when rem appeared and saved him. Look, i cried like a little fucking bitch in this scene, it felt like that rooftop moment in season 1, but season 2. It was really fucking good, i teared my eyes out. Look, I didn't expect it to unfold like it did, lol. I felt kind of stupid when subaru said rem would never tell him to leave it all to her, i was like "true that", it was really unexpected for me and it kinda of breaked momentum. Now all this happened in the first 11 minutes i think and i was like "Damn, i'm only 11 minutes in and there's still 15 minutes left" at this point this was already my favorite episode of the anime so you can only imagine how i felt. So we head into the next scene when subaru is taken to the tea party and echdina was being sus. I remember thinking "Wow, she's being so sus", but i what i liked about her and her attitude is how she doesn't seem to care like she almost doesn't understand why that would be sus and subaru explains it better later on. The bitch almost conviced my boy to form the contract with her, i was like "Bro, Subaru is such a fucking idiot, he's so dumb, he didn't even listen to the cons", but THANKFULLY, our girl the witch of greed appearead out of nowhere and interrupted their moment, she was cute while doing that btw, but yeah, after that its revealed that echdina lied about the witches being imprisioned inside her, or she didn't i didn't really get that to be honest, but what's interesting about echdina is that she didn't lie, like, it really impressed me how she didn't lie about anything or how she didn't tried to stop the witch of wrath from telling subaru that there are cons to this contract. But after that, 5 of the 6 remaining witches appear and they have this moment of like, all of them trying to convince subaru to do something, and then echdina has to explain her full plan to him and we have this amazing scene of her explaining it with so much passion, the camera does a 360 and an epic soundtrack starts playing in the background. when she said "i'll let you use my body" i got horny, bc she's hot and that was a hot line. Moving on, Subaru comes to the realization that she's infact deluded and crazy and he'll not form the contract with her. He also asks about beatrice and it was echdina's answer was really interesting. I didn't fully get what happened and i'm not really sure who's the guilty one there, but Subaru gets really mad at her and makes up his mind to take Beako's hand and make her his number one. I'm not really sure what that means, but we'll have to see. And in the end, HER! the fucking witch of envy appears and she's ready to join their tea party! Echdina's clearly angry and some of the witches apperead scared. The fact that the next week's episode is gonna be the last makes it all the more important. I'm really hyped for the next episode and after this one, bruh, ANYTHING, literally anything can happen, but if have to make a prediction, I'd say that we will finally understand the motives behind satela's actions, i think that Subaru will really let out his anger and tell her how he feels about all she's put him through, really let her have it. I think that Satela and echdina will collide and we'll have one more piece to this puzzle. ultimately though, I'm certain it will end in a cliff hanger and we'll have to wait 3-4 months to find out what's gona happen :P. oh well. One last thing tho, when the witch of lust said that if Subaru saw someone else's face is because he wanted to see it, it means that when he's fucked up, at rock bottom, the one he wants to comfort him and help him get back up again is Rem, so it means that his true number 1 is Rem and he needs to realize that. I wonder if when he realizes that he actually loves Rem he'll understand what Roswall said. This was by far my favorite episode of Re:Zero so far, although i've felt similar to this watching other episodes. Thank you if you've made it this far for whatever reason and I'd like to end this off with Rem Is Best Girl ❤️ |
FrostyinsideSep 23, 2020 10:26 AM
Torkip said: Pretty sure Emilia still dies in the loops Subaru dies in arc 1. Even if she gets there in time, she’ll still run into Elsa. And I’m pretty sure that most times when something bad happens to Subaru, Emilia decides to drop out of the election cuz she’s depressed. Regarding timeline 4, in the WN they inform Emilia of what happened. (fav reality, but was cut sadly lol). Emilia is angry cuz Rem brutalized Subaru, and asked why she did so. Rem cannot explain herself, as truthfully she was angry at Subaru for smelling and jealous of the time he spent with her sister. Emilia asked if she made a mistake, but Rem can’t lie, and it leaves Emilia really sad. She decides she cannot work with them anymore, she doesn’t trust them. Roswaal attempts to convince her that it was not that big a deal and that’s it childish to drop out of the race and ruin her own chances, just cuz of Subaru. Emilia slaps him, asks Rem for Subaru’s body to bury back home, thanks them for the opportunity and that she will find her own way to fulfill her goals, and leaves while lamenting the fact she failed Subaru and couldn’t do anything. That's a huge devenlopment for a "reality just made from Subaru's memories and knowledge" (Echidna's best abiliity as we can see, just like in Ep. 4), and that is why i think the Anime adaptation did a good job in skip it and let this "IF" short like the others Subaru faced. |
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fullofregrets09 said: Tsundere_Slayer said: But Echidna possesses immense knowledge and she even said she won't force him to use return by death, So I think she is capable of achieving the best possible way more efficiently than Subaru and by also limiting the number of time he dies. Meaning he will die less and also be on the best path otherwise why would Subaru even consider the contract in the first place? One issue I can see with that is both Echidna and Satella don't seem to consider the people Subaru loves as part of his best future. That's why Rem was cast aside, and that's why Beatrice doesn't seem to matter as much. Subaru doesn't want that future, even if it will be the best route for him, with the least amount of suffering and death. Yeah I agree with you. Echidna is only interested in Subaru and doesn't care about others whom Subaru wants to protect. |
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cenjo-san said: If I remember correctly (would have to check the LN to be sure), I still don't fully get what was bad about that contract. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
DeadlyRavenSep 23, 2020 2:56 PM
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Torkip said: Tsundere_Slayer said: Ah that helps. But she said that she won't force him to use Return by death so th I was confused by this contradiction. She’s not a liar, but she’s good at convincing ppl to do things. Echidna does want to help him. But her help isn’t always the best. As you can see with what happened to Beatrice, she truly didnt mean to be malicious there. Torkip said: Tsundere_Slayer said: Ah that helps. But she said that she won't force him to use Return by death so th I was confused by this contradiction. She’s not a liar, but she’s good at convincing ppl to do things. Echidna does want to help him. But her help isn’t always the best. As you can see with what happened to Beatrice, she truly didnt mean to be malicious there. Naruhodo... I see then Echidna can be considered as a chaotic neutral... |
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Torkip said: Tsundere_Slayer said: For this reason I can't bring myself to think Echidna is really evil or such thing. She is the witch of greed after all. Even Elsa is more evil than her.. Not really explained well, but her plan is essentially “do every available option possible and keep killing yourself to see what could happen” Basically it’s a video game 100% completion run. Echidna is very smart but she doesn’t know everything, so the ability to see every outcome is something she loves. Best resume ever of Echidna's intentions. It is like Echdona wants to: - Be a sadistic typical "GTA" gamer, the type who torture NPC, suicide the playable char all the time, and do random pointless things just for entertainment. - And turn Subaru into this playable character, removing the only thing Subaru still have: his free will. WAIT wait W A I T Is there not any actual Re:Zero game where we can do this? What i would do with Subaru in Arc 1: - Trap and kill that stupid muggers. - Fool Felt in a more creative way. - hmm... trap and kill Felt? - trap and kill Mr. Savingpoint Irish Guy. - try to kill Reinhart and die in a creative way. - Try to seduce Emilia...? - Ok be hidden while Emilia is killed by Elsa and then undress her body before Puck come out... Come on, who never? |
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| I knew that Echidna was hiding something but I had hoped that she would be a good person. Since she is the witch of greed, it is not odd hearing those demands from her. Also, Satella comes to the party and I think she will be very mad about Echidna for trying to make a contract with Subaru. Oh boy, can't wait to see the conflict between Echidna and Satella. |
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| Imagine working your ass off to put out an amazing episode with 27 minutes full of content that even removed the op and ed to include as much content as possible and instead you get complaints about the removal of certain scenes that does not impact the overall storytelling. Sometimes I really do pity the Re Zero production team for having to go through this kind of stuff, just the downsides of being a popular series I guess. Top quality works as always, can't wait for what's coming next |
| *sees Satella* ''Boy would you look at the time! Just remembered i have some rabbits to feed. GoTtA gO! ByYyYe!'' Subaru saw Beatrice, Garfiel and Ryuzu literally imprisoned by their contracts, Rosswall discarded Ram like trash right in front of him, also because of a contract and much more, And he still would make one with a witch without even asking what's his part of said contract. This guy needs some help, in many ways! Also; Not really on board of the Echidna's best girl train anymore. Ain't no fixin' that one! |
I think I don't know wtf I'm doing. Maybe. Probably. |
| I was waiting to see how they will adapt this, boy it was sooooo good! Not the s*** will hit the fan! Also, remember when anime had OP/ED? Pepperidge Farm remembers! |
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As someone who like Echidna, I know how you feel. I have a mix feeling about her too. |
PRAISE THE SUN!!!!!  Btw I heard that in RE:Zero IF Greed story, Subaru died more than 10 million times. Subaru made the right choice not making contract with Echidona lolz. Btw seems like Subaru view contract too casually (probably because his first contract has no downside with Betti..) that he didn't even ask for the consequences.. |
| Echidna's speech was amazing. I'm very excited for Satella next week.  |
| When I saw Rem I was nopenopenopenope. Fortunately she was fake :) Wtf episode lol. Red said: I can't tell if Echidna is good or bad anymore :/ She's selfish. |
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shane_nichols said: Personally, I think it's great since we can see Echidna's other side as well as other witches getting some screentime as well. Actually I find that the most interesting part of Re Zero is the talking part lol, because almost every time someone open their mouth they brings up more questions and speculations, and seeing how these things unfold is just very much enjoyable. Aloister said: Yeah they can stfu. Personally it was a boring episode because mostly they just talked,info dumped, and drank tea, but these guys worked on this at their own home because of covid. Props to themImagine working your ass off to put out an amazing episode with 27 minutes full of content that even removed the op and ed to include as much content as possible and instead you get complaints about the removal of certain scenes that does not impact the overall storytelling. Sometimes I really do pity the Re Zero production team for having to go through this kind of stuff, just the downsides of being a popular series I guess. Top quality works as always, can't wait for what's coming next |
| Awesome ep! although gotta say that I feel kinda bad about Subaru's suffering (as always ^^'). Also, I thought Echdina wasn't that mad, such as the other witches... well, guess I was 100% mistaked. Nevertheless, it was very exciting to see all of them gathered XD. What's gonna happen??? Only the future will tell us. Can't wait for the next episode! |
FullyCharged said: When I saw Rem I was nopenopenopenope. Fortunately she was fake :) Wtf episode lol. Red said: I can't tell if Echidna is good or bad anymore :/ She's selfish. Good or bad is always base on perspective and which side you're on. It is a moral made by human being themselves. One person's justice could be another person's downfall. One person's sin may be another person's salvation. It is quite reasonable Echidona, someone who has most of the knowledge in the world, view all the ugliness of the world, view every perspective of humanity to feel indifferent about anything happens / would happen in the world. For her it's just an entertaining show to satisfy her curiosity. |
| I might have misunderstood something. When Subaru says Echidna doesn't understand feelings and should get angry, then Echidna saying "I see. You have taught me much. When we next have a chance I'll do just that" I felt like the 2 previous tea parties were fraud, like she failed countless tea parties to get what she wants. Since Subaru don't remember tea parties, she could loop over and over. If it's true, the impact of this would be she does NOT inherit knowledge of previous timelines, and she didn't know about return by death until Subaru told her in tea parties he don't even remember. Also, in the second tea party, she stated that during the tea parties, real time flow very slowly, and nearly nothing would happen in physical world. But by the time Echidna is done looping with Subaru, Emilia failed the trial and Satella's shadow shit happened?? Of course, I might be totally wrong here but I think it's an interresting theory :) |
| Despite the mental cost Subaru's determination to protect everyone remains impressive. The visions of Subaru's many deaths sure was chilling. Still seeing the reactions to his death from his many allies sure was interesting. The fake Rem though sure was pretty convincing and only failed by the narrowest of margins. Echidna's offer of an contract though sure was an intriguing move. Her eagerness sure reminds me of a child. Of all the witches though Minerva is the one that i didn't expect to appear in order to oppose the contract. The witches tea party though sure made quite the timely entrance. Still Echidna's speech sure was damm compelling one that showed well her desires and goals. Overall an interesting ep that proved to be both grim via the deaths and at the same time enlightening and tense due to the revelations about both the trial and the witches contract. As ever the witches prove to be most entertaining with the newer ones of Camilla and Sekhmet serving to enhance this process. Looks like events are turning to the worst with Satella joining the party. |
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Aloister said: Imagine working your ass off to put out an amazing episode with 27 minutes full of content that even removed the op and ed to include as much content as possible and instead you get complaints about the removal of certain scenes that does not impact the overall storytelling. Sometimes I really do pity the Re Zero production team for having to go through this kind of stuff, just the downsides of being a popular series I guess. Top quality works as always, can't wait for what's coming next Thing is with all the deleted scene and the rushed pace, they could have done a 25 eps season. Anyway, people should just enjoy what they have in front of them, the anime is good whatever people say :) |
| Holy crap what an episode. Finally get to see all the witches In one place and looks like we get to see Satella, hopefully she doesn't just repeat one phrase over and over. Who would've thought that the witch of greed reminds me Greed form FMA. We'll see where she leans by the end of it though. Excited to see how the last episode will turn out. |
| What a roller-coaster of an episode. This season has been absolute fire. Seeing Subaru face what happened with the timelines he left behind was hard, though it was made better by the fact that Echidna later left ambiguous if Return by Death resets the world or transport Subaru to a different timeline. The fake Rem stuff was obvious from the beginning, gotta make Remfags suffer even more, lol. Funny how this was the only screentime characters like Julius and Reinhard will probably receive in this season, lmao. Aaaaaand everyone is here. Finally the 7 Witches are together and Subaru can get his Witch harem. Lust is a cutie and Sloth looks like a sexy hobo, somehow fitting her sin. The Echidna reveal didn't surprise me much. She's a Witch after all, and I figured out she was helping Subaru for her own selfish reasons (she represents Greed after all). I don't hate Echidna after this, however, if anything, it made me appreciate her, knowing that she makes justice to her title. Still feel bad for Subaru (the only person he could tell about his Return by Death was using him from the beginning) and Beatrice (still waiting for a person that may not appear at all), but, well, she's not a Witch for anything. And that ending with Satella appearing, my goodness, they really want the series finale to be spectacular. Makes me sad last week will be the last episode until Winter :( |
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cenjo-san said: Well, yes. You can read "Greed IF" if you're interested in how bad it would be.Oh thank you so much! So basically he will experience even worse outcomes if he had accepted it, right? Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post. |
DeadlyRavenSep 23, 2020 2:57 PM
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| I've always wondered what happens in the worlds where Subaru dies. Seeing all the characters getting lost and heartbroken by his death is just way too sad... :[ |
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pteroz said: As I mentioned earlier, it is extremely clear that they did everything they could to make the adaptation as faithful as possible. They are making it a 2 cour though, they just had to make it separately as I imagine the pandemic had impacted the production pretty hard for them to separate the season like that. Aloister said: Imagine working your ass off to put out an amazing episode with 27 minutes full of content that even removed the op and ed to include as much content as possible and instead you get complaints about the removal of certain scenes that does not impact the overall storytelling. Sometimes I really do pity the Re Zero production team for having to go through this kind of stuff, just the downsides of being a popular series I guess. Top quality works as always, can't wait for what's coming next Thing is with all the deleted scene and the rushed pace, they could have done a 25 eps season. Anyway, people should just enjoy what they have in front of them, the anime is good whatever people say :) As for the rushed pace and deleted scene, I would usually agree with you and several other's opinions, but in this case we have to consider that they had limited funding to work with, and I think they would have to pay extra to the TV station at a much higher rate just to have the 2 or 3 extra episodes to be aired, all in all it is just not worth it from a business standpoint, of course if everyone who bashed the show and rated 1/5 for cut contents were to contribute to these funding then it would be an entirely different story. |
Inugirlz said: Red said: I can't tell if Echidna is good or bad anymore :/ She's selfish. That's it. It's not like she enjoys suffering but she likes to see shit. But considering the context i'd say she's bad. You can't watch people suffering just out of curiosity. Yes, without a doubt she is BAD, but not Evil. She is not evil because she don't see harming or torturing the others as her objective (unlike Elsa, for example), but she acepts it as a side effect of her objective. in the Light Novel they skiped a dialogue when Ryuzu Bilma said to Subaru that Echidna What is BAD without being Evil? Sociopaths for example. Weebs when destroying their own life. lol |
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shane_nichols said: Fair, everyone watch and enjoy this show for various reasons.Aloister said: Eh. Theyre just one dememsional generic aspects.Personally, I think it's great since we can see Echidna's other side as well as other witches getting some screentime as well. Actually I find that the most interesting part of Re Zero is the talking part lol, because almost every time someone open their mouth they brings up more questions and speculations, and seeing how these things unfold is just very much enjoyable. |
| Quick summary: Subaru: "I can't believe that you, an all-powerful creature won't just help me without any merit for yourself and it's completely unreasonable that your goals are not exactly the same as mine. I feel deeply offended!" One more episode, let's see how it goes. |
| Hopefully this will be the last time we will see Subaru waking up inside that place with Emilia, this has been dragging for a long time now it is boring. |
| Satella enters the tea party, it's gonna be interesting |
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| Damn, Satella at the end be like: I heard some hoes are bullying my hubby. So here I am bitches. Also, fuck your barrier. |
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| Easily one of the best episodes of this season, and please stop with the boring Emilia vs Rem war. (I also thought that Puck was comparable to Reinhard, buuuuut he got one shotted.) |
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