Fairy Tail Chapter 470 Discussion

-ZET- said:
The thing is, people don't understand that compared to Acnologia everyone is just a fodder it's not even funny, please pay attention that even Zeref made an entire army of OP wizards just to defeat Acnologia and even so we just saw in the last chapter that might not be enough..

Although that doesn't change anything to the fact that the Spriggans are ridiculously strong and either the likes of Jellal,Laxus and Gildarts be on the same level as them or Ishigar will depend on Fairy Heart or even Acnologia to beat them...
We didn't even saw the other Spriggans fighting yet, we've barely seen a glimpse of their powers, Ajeel being the only exception and there are people already saying that God Serena is the 2nd strongest one below only to August, based on what those people are even saying that is what I want to know.

aos10 said:
damn , i didn't expected this

and now he is aiming for the dragon slayers ?

Natsu
Gajeel
Wendy
Rogue
Sting
Laxus
Erik

ChutneyTooSpicy said:
Did not expect Acnologia to join the war this soon, when I saw the silhouette I thought it was Gildarts. He just comes in and one shots God Serena like the boss he is. I think Serena is dead, don't think Acnologia would 7 dragon slayer left or whatever the line was again. Pretty sure that including Laxus and Erik as well.

MartintheDragon said:
We need music for that last page. Any suggestions?

BGMaxie said:
So to sum it up, God Serena is the ultimate doping, full on magical crank? Ok.......and said guy got off'd like a noob against Acnologia. That is gonna be very anti-climatic if that is all we're gonna see from this guy.

I tend to use this one for those symbolic huge/final boss-esque battles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4FBCwoS8WI

Raijin-sama619 said:
I didn't expect that this chapter will be epic.

8 types of dragon slayer is impossibruh though.

Darklight0303 said:
It was pretty much text book Gary Stu OC. Thank god he's dead

Raijin-sama619 said:


You know, this is Fairy Tail we are talking about. It's impossibruh to have major death in FT. There is a exception though.

Darklight0303 said:


This isn't a major character though. So it's very possible. This guy was no more major than Kyoka or Marde Geer and they're BOTH dead.

Darklight0303 said:


It was pretty much text book Gary Stu OC. Thank god he's dead

AllenNoah said:

Touch curious, but how was he a stu?

Darklight0303 said:


Quirky to the point of obnoxiousness, had puns that made you want to stab your brain with a fork and using 8 dragon lacryma in the same body. In fact I've seen several fanfics with OC's like that. And they were all SHIT.

Serena was so clearly designed to be destroyed it's not even funny. He's a walking joke.

AllenNoah said:

I see. I duo, when I hear stu I think of characters like Tatsuya, Kirito, Aizen and Madara. Serena wasn't onscreen long enough for me to consider him a stu, just another dude. He had some flashy attacks, I guess (honestly they didn't seem like anything we hadn't seen before), but ultimately he was just another Spriggan to detract from the plot.

Jebba_Duh_Hurt said:
Y'know, if it was anyone other than Acnologia, I'd be pissed. I mean, you don't just throw in that the man is the strongest mage in Fiore and that he has 8 Dragon Slayer powers only to immediately fuck him over. But....it's my dude Acnologia so....idk how to feel.
Ya couldn't have Gildarts fight Serena or something....you also couldn't have given him a manlier fucking name so I could take his bunny ear hairdo seriously?

Interesting chapter....not sure how to grade it though, definitely had a similar problem about some chapters that I hate but....I feel like I'm under some Acnologia clause or something.

Jebba_Duh_Hurt said:

If this really is his end, then yeah, pretty much.
....Seriously, the hair alone make me feel like this guy wasn't going to be that interesting of a character.....wtf is that on his head?

Darklight0303 said:


How is it bad writing when the moron not only taunted Acnologia the DESTROYER of the dragon race but was also on Acnologia's murder list for being a Dragon Slayer? Anything more than this would have made Acnologia look like a chump.

This is the man who single handedly EXTERMINATED all dragons. And you talk shit to him and expect to live while being a dragon slayer? Seriously Serena was destined to be fodderized at that point.

Compared to that what exactly did Serena do to give you this hype? Act like a clown and beat up some old men. Wow. Truly the greatest of all. Give me a break.

Acnologia HAS ALWAYS been the bigger threat than Alvarez

Monad said:


Dude you really lose all logic when you dislike a character. You get too much into your personal bias. Actually is not because you hated the guy is because you got annoyed by the "he is Yuri" theory that you decided to hate the guy and now lose all logic about him.

It has nothing to do with Acnologia. No one here said that he should be beating Acnologia. What we are saying is that for a character that had so much hype built around him it is quite a waste to just off him so fast after he first showed some of his power.
The guy was supposed to be the strongest mage in the entire continent and as we saw he is strong than all 4 of the other numbers from 2-5 together and he also has many elemental dragons power and shit. His a character with a lot of power and certain built-up. To be killed so fast is a waste of built-up and hype etc no matter how strong Acnologia is.

Also "beating some old men" is a silly way to put it. Those weren't just some old men. You forget that the weaker of them that was the bold guy fought with Laxus at the magic games and it was about as strong as Laxus was and barely lost.
So the least you can say is that he beat 4 Laxu's(and it is the least because the 2nd and 3rd may be quite stronger than Laxus for all we know) and that is by no means a fucking small thing.

Darklight0303 said:


So to you less than half an arc of mentions counts as hype? Also strongest on the continent is irelevant when he's never gone against the likes of Gildarts who is always wandering. Titles are WORTHLESS outside of a strict environment. Gildarts is living proof of that.

Barely lost? Also warrod was not really a combat type so no you can't really say he was hyped up to be some super powerhouse hell he said as much. The other two were no feats just like Serena. People can say a lot of things but that doesn't make it hype. Facts make hype. Actions make hype and certainly a LOT more than less than half an arc.

Kyouka had hype the moment she was introduced when she showed up and having taken out all of Minerva's new guild before doing something to her off screen. Compared to that all Serena had was hearsay and official recognition but no facts. Hell the whole dragonslayer thing came out of FUCKING NOWHERE. No foreshadowing of any kind and for some dumb reason even his former allies HAD NO IDEA HE HAD IT.

He was a gary Stu. An expendable piece of fodder for someone stronger to gobble up. Someone like Acnologia.

Darklight0303 said:


So to you less than half an arc of mentions counts as hype? Also strongest on the continent is irelevant when he's never gone against the likes of Gildarts who is always wandering. Titles are WORTHLESS outside of a strict environment. Gildarts is living proof of that.

Barely lost? Also warrod was not really a combat type so no you can't really say he was hyped up to be some super powerhouse hell he said as much. The other two were no feats just like Serena. People can say a lot of things but that doesn't make it hype. Facts make hype. Actions make hype and certainly a LOT more than less than half an arc.

Kyouka had hype the moment she was introduced when she showed up and having taken out all of Minerva's new guild before doing something to her off screen. Compared to that all Serena had was hearsay and official recognition but no facts. Hell the whole dragonslayer thing came out of FUCKING NOWHERE. No foreshadowing of any kind and for some dumb reason even his former allies HAD NO IDEA HE HAD IT.

He was a gary Stu. An expendable piece of fodder for someone stronger to gobble up. Someone like Acnologia.

AllenNoah said:

How does Kyouka gain hype from wiping out a guild of featless unkowns that were introduced as a subordinate guild to Tartaros? That's like saying Vegeta got hype from killing a Saibaman.
On second thought, how is that more deserving of hype than taking out four of the top mages? And keep in mind even if three don't have feats, Jura was able to give Laxus a high diff fight (and he's FT's biggest gun since Natsu's lost FDK) and it was stated outright that Jura couldn't beat the other three.

Darklight0303 said:


She gains hype by being ruthless and with a grand ulterior motive of finding people strong enough to endure whatever she's done to them. ALso gained hype as to how she was able to turn all of those people into those paper like husks.

Why are you including warrod when he explicit admitted that he wasn't all that strong in combat?

As for the other two again. Talking about them isn't enough to build hype. Rumors and information can be forged or inaccurate plus again I present the example of GILDARTS the guy who has a whole freaking town remodel itself for him when he comes for a visit, who can dice up living beings into tiny version of themselves dividing their power. Compared to that what we saw from the so called gods was pathetic. Again official titles mean nothing when you see plenty of unofficial powerhouses walking around.

If you wanted to truly build hype for the gods they should have intervened within the last three arcs yes I include Alvarez which could have been so much more than it turned out. Then they'd have hype. Without that it's nothing but rumors and a reputation recognized officially. And so far the official authorities in Fairy Tail are fucking TRASH.

AllenNoah said:


So it's just a different type of hype, then (personality rather than ability). I can get behind that.

Because there's something called modesty. Like how Jura mentioned he was the weakest of the Wizard Saints and then stomped Brain like he was owed money.

Key word in that last paragraph is "saw." We didn't see any grand feats not because they have none to show (maybe they do, maybe they don't), but because Mashima decided to skip the first half of the fight and then have August call off Serena's attacks and then Acnologia showed up. With Gildarts we were allowed to see him in action, uninterrupted by plot or whatever Mashima wanted to throw in. And it wasn't because he's stronger than Srena or the other Four Gods, but because that's how it was written.

Also, the town is remodeled mainly due to his personality rather than his power. Natsu, Laxus and others can be just as destructive, but because they're not airheaded enough to walk through walls trying to navigate a street the town stays the same.

And, yes, I can agree that FT is poorly written. Let it never be said that we don't share common ground.

Look, I'm not saying you have to like a character, but don't let your dislike keep you from seeing other people's points of view. You've done it, and probably will do it again, with Gray and you're doing it here with Serena.

kakoa1234 said:


He will never change man. Let it go lol.

AllenNoah said:

Maybe he won't, but that's not my point. Even if he doesn't change his mind I'd like us to at least be able to say that we understand each other. That's the whole point of communication.

ViciLockhart said:


now there will be a comments that it's a bad writing from Mashima and why to hype character just to kill him off :P i can feel it ..

Darklight0303 said:


Darklight0303 said:
Read the spoilers. GUESS WHO IS STILL FUCKING DEAD JUST LIKE I SAID HE WOULD BE? Someone pick that fucking phone because against all you in denial people I FUCKING CALLED IT.

Evarinya said:


+1

It's not really like Mashima. A welcome change I suppose. But please tone it down a bit. This is a discussion. Both sides have a reason to say what they're saying.

Darklight0303 said:

I'd use this personally



Lyrics translate as:

Curse thy vain dare!
Hail! Do or Die!
Alas! Thou willst!
Grievous! Thou fallst!
The Origin of Darkness
Sable Grave doth gape there
Devour thy sanguine soul
Swallow thy pale wings down

Evarinya said:


+1

It's not really like Mashima. A welcome change I suppose. But please tone it down a bit. This is a discussion. Both sides have a reason to say what they're saying.

BGMaxie said:




Not bad, it really sounds good. Haven't played the game, but this is a good start. Anyway, vs that, I present this, which is perhaps the most terrifying track I've ever listened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkOI0ZQwkUw

Evarinya said:


Not really. We saw everything we had to see about Brain. I think Lahar is a better example in favour of your point. Serena had 4 (actually 5) more types of dragon slaying magic that we didn't see. Not to mention the whole "God of Ishgar #1 hype. He had a lot of potential.

Darklight0303 said:

I've already explained countless times how official titles are worthless in a world where there are plenty stronger who don't go on the records.

Darklight0303 said:

The 8 lachryma dragons slayer also screamed GIMMICK and nothing else. Mashima didn't even want to try with Serena since he was going to be offed from the start.

Darklight0303 said:

None of his old coleagues knew he had that? Are you serious?

ViciLockhart said:


now there will be a comments that it's a bad writing from Mashima and why to hype character just to kill him off :P i can feel it ..

Luppi said:
So a lot of stuff happened at once, which I didn't expect. Although it is good to get the story along I guess.

Regarding God Serena being hyped. Well he was described as the strongest Wizard Saint that mysteriously converted over to Zeref. So he was kind of a big deal and I feel it was justified to see what he can really do and what his motives are. If he really is dead (which I kinda doubt) it would be quite a big disappointment. That's my opinion at least.

Regarding Acnologia I think it's nice to see him in his humanoid form (he somehow seems even more dangerous). I just hope he doesn't play too big a part in this battle. I for one was pretty interested in seeing the different fights of the Spriggan 12 and the other Guilds. Maybe they'll find a way to temporarily direct his attention away from the fight. At the moment it seems he could just wipe out everyone.

I'm interested to see where Mashima goes from here and I hope he doesn't move the story forward too quickly all of a sudden.

Darklight0303 said:


Well to be honest Acnologia is only actively hunting Dragon slayers. Or else August and Jacob would be dead as well. They are pretty much specs of dust in his eyes at this point and that should apply to all non dragon slayers that don't attack him.

Darklight0303 said:


Well to be honest Acnologia is only actively hunting Dragon slayers. Or else August and Jacob would be dead as well. They are pretty much specs of dust in his eyes at this point and that should apply to all non dragon slayers that don't attack him.

Darklight0303 said:
Oh yes Acnologia WILL certainly fight back if he's attacked by fleas. No fight back is giving them too much credit. He will react and crush the insects before moving on with his hunt.

Darklight0303 said:

To be honest I never believed this was the FINAL arc of Fairy Tail. Something is gonna happen to throw everything into even more chaos.