The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria (light novel)
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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS VOLUME. ---------------------------------------- Not as convoluted as vol. 1 or 3&4, but this & 6 are VERY important plot-wise. Well, I couldn’t help but think that this was partly inspired by Death Note, given that Mikage is probably a DN fan, and also given that Daiya is his favorite character. But.. his punishment is just… ughhh.. The revelations in this volume about the nature of O and Maria and Kazuki are so interesting, thinking about it, they add another layer to the ridiculously convoluted plot of the series. Since it’s been a long time since I last read the series… I can only vaguely remember, but I remember the revelations here having implications on the endings of the previous volumes, can’t remember what it is though, anyway I’ll edit all of my posts as I reread the series some other time. Read pages 252-265 a couple of times since they are very very important with regards to the whole plot. We get another title drop here, “Utsuro no Hako”, you should get what it means by reading those sections. |
| This is probably one of the most memorable volume of HakoMari due to epic second wind of Kazuki. I literally laughed along Kazuki when he was laughting crazily near the end of the volume. Last time I felt an impressive laughing scene happened in animangaLNVN was at the second last episode of Steins;Gate :p Made me wondering about how will HakoMari felt when it's properly animated one day... (something that I guess near impossible to happen) |
| Yeah, I really like this volume for the backstory we get on everybody, and also the truth about O and Kazu's epicness at the end. After the despair he felt due to the incident with Iroha and Maria, he deserved to get that power. Loved it. Already reading 6 now. |
| Mikage really destroyed his (or her) characters in this volume (In a good way of course). Now if Kazu wasn't the owner of that cinema box then I wonder who is... So that person O disguised him/herself as is related to Maria, or maybe even Kazu himself since he is her knight. I don't know why but I have a feeling his sister is going to play a role(haven't ready volume 6 yet). Any character in this novel can be relevant right now, knowing this author xD. Noooo one more volume D: don't know if I should read it or not >< (probably will). He probably has the whole story planned out since I feel like its almost reaching the final part. |
| Great volume. So much was revealed this volume. And just like the OP said this volume also reminded me of DN. So anxious to read the 6th volume but I don't want to wait so long for the 7th one... |
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| O is one of the most mysterious characters in this series tbh. The connection between Maria and O was quite something to take eyes on. I also noticed the bits of Death Note vibe there. Quite intriguing. I'll reach volume 6 tomorrow most likely. |
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| Seriously my mind is blown over this plot development, which is grounded on something that has always been hinted at. |
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| Maybe my favorite volume so far. Loved that ending and finally we get to know more about O. |
| The 6th volume concludes the arc but ends with a major cliff-hanger. Volume 7 will be the last one. |
| Light + lelouch = Daiya Oomine lol xD |
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| Awesome volume, on par with the first one, if not even better. Finally we know who O and Kadzuki are, and I wonder if he is going to be able to restore his relationship with Maria. |
| Great volume... could barely hold in my excitement when Kazuki proclaimed himself the one who tramples on other peoples wishes... and yea his entire scene with Iroha kind of screamed yandere lmao. Also the whole issue with "O" and Maria is finally revealed... end game is in sight. |
D3pthChargeMar 23, 2015 4:43 PM
| “That’s why I mustn’t let you interfere now. If you did, you would continue to stand in our way. You would become an obstacle. Believe it or not, I know that you can become a surprisingly large obstacle. Therefore, I can’t let you oppose us here!” - Iroha Shindou, page 166 Sigh... thank you for pointing out the extremely obvious, Iroha. You really only needed "That's why I won't let you interfere". Characters in HakoMari really over-explain things sometimes and it sounds so scripted and artificial. |
LightBladeNovaAug 23, 2015 10:11 PM
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
LightBladeNova said: “That’s why I mustn’t let you interfere now. If you did, you would continue to stand in our way. You would become an obstacle. Believe it or not, I know that you can become a surprisingly large obstacle. Therefore, I can’t let you oppose us here!” - Iroha Shindou, page 166 Sigh... thank you for pointing out the extremely obvious, Iroha. You really only needed "That's why I won't let you interfere". Characters in HakoMari really over-explain things sometimes and it sounds so scripted and artificial. You finished this volume? |
Temera1re said: LightBladeNova said: “That’s why I mustn’t let you interfere now. If you did, you would continue to stand in our way. You would become an obstacle. Believe it or not, I know that you can become a surprisingly large obstacle. Therefore, I can’t let you oppose us here!” - Iroha Shindou, page 166 Sigh... thank you for pointing out the extremely obvious, Iroha. You really only needed "That's why I won't let you interfere". Characters in HakoMari really over-explain things sometimes and it sounds so scripted and artificial. You finished this volume? Yes, I have. Around 1/4 of the way through Volume 6 now. |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
LightBladeNova said: Temera1re said: You finished this volume? Yes, I have. Around 1/4 of the way through Volume 6 now. Well, i don't want to make a spoiler, but in that part of the Volumen, it make sense, Iroha is pushing Kazuki to do something.. I can't talk for other parts, but even with those over-explain, there is people who dont know what is happening, just go to /a/ and read some topic of Hakomari. Pd; sorry for take too long to answer :S pd2; my english suck -.- |
| This volume was great. Volume 1 is still my favorite, but this was definitely my favorite since then 😊 The revelations at the end tied a ton of stuff together, and now I'm excited to see how Kazuki will go about defeating O. Also, if The Wish-Crushing Cinema isn't Kazuki's, Then whose box is it..? And I'm really curious as to what happened to Kokone to brake her beyond repair. I'm guessing and hoping that the last movie will be about exactly what happened to her, but at the same time, I kinda don't want to know 😣 |
| Was really really good, nice to see some backstory of Daiya, Usui and Kirino, and can't wait to see what really happend to them. This volume gave me alot of Death Note vibes between Daiya and Kazuki too, as some has already said. And just to see how Kazuki got destroyed near at the end was really... I knew it was going to happen, that Maria was going to find out, but this way was a really really brutal way. And then Kazuki at the end when he destroyed Iroha's Box was, ahh, it just made me go "YESSSS" with excitement, Haha. Ahh, and Kazuki's laughter, man this volume was really good. To find out that Maria shaped O, was really interesting and that Kazuki became the "Knight". At Last they explained why he could remember from the Rejecting Classroom, and why he could not be taken over by Iroha. But I wonder, who has the box of the Wish-Crushing Cinema. My bets are on Usei, but knowing this author it could be anyone. Maybe Kirino? Baahh!! I have no idea! I also wonder if Kazuki's sister will play a role in the next Volumes... But anyways a really really good Volume, not as good as the 1st and (3ed)4th volume in my opinion, but still it's up there! |
Destin98Oct 1, 2015 4:00 AM
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| I'm actually really jealous of Hoshino... He loves someone so much that he's willing to kill someone in order to protect her... Or whatever he tried doing xP Wish I could have someone like that |
| Currently my favorite volume for now, particularly because of how much character development Kazuki got. Firstly, I liked how the volume didn’t waste any time in introducing Daiya’s box. And Daiya was just as much of a protagonist in this volume as Kazuki was. Both Kazuki and Daiya played the role of a protagonist and antagonist in this volume, and it just made the volume feel so amusing. It’s fun seeing Daiya get played by Kazuki’s box (though Kazuki admitted that he isn’t the owner of the “Wish-Crushing Cinema”) and Kazuki being played by Daiya’s box. I loved how we get a script of each “movie” Daiya is forced to watch before he watches it. And each of the movies were pretty interesting, because not only we get to see the past of Haruaki, Kirino and Daiya’s but also we get to see what Daiya and Maria’s relationship was in the “Rejecting Classroom”. It’s amusing reading Daiya’s thoughts after watching those movies and seeing how easily he’s being broken down, showing how weak his wish was to begin with. But the most obvious highlight of this volume was Kazuki. He’s obvious changes were present in the beginning of this volume (lying to Maria, playing dirty with Daiya), but things really got messed up when he confronted Iroha. I really hate Iroha, but what she did makes sense under the certain circumstances. But her leading Kazuki into a trap and making him loose Maria’s trust was sad. And Kazuki messed it up by lying in front of her even more. And once ‘O’ appeared, Kazuki’s madness went over 9000. That laugh was insanely amusing to say the least, and him crushing Iroha’s box was cruel, yet immensely satisfying. “If you can’t, Iroha-san, go die in a fire and don’t get in my way”, damn Kazuki’s a savage. Kazuki’s way of thinking is still kind of demented (like him imagining himself piling up corpses, just so he can use them as a staircase so he can reach Maria, was a comparison of him being able to kill in order to protect Maria). I really want to see what Kazuki will do next (even if he kind of summarized his plans at the end of the chapters), but there’s still one more movie left for Daiya to watch and Maria’s confronting him. Though I wonder who the owner of the box is though. There’s two possibilities, Haruaki and Kirino. Though, considering this “Wish-Crushing Cinema” is created to “save” Daiya from getting corrupted by his own box, the only person who would genuinely wish for Daiya’s sake would be Kirino (so I’m assuming she’s the owner and Kazuki might have told her about Daiya’s box). And with this volume, I can easily say that this is one of the best series I have ever read. 5/5 |
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| Lots of interesting revelations in this volume, but felt a bit short for me in terms of engagement. Kingdom Royale is probably one of the best things i've ever read so coming off that it was gonna be hard for this to top that for me. There were still some aspects regarding the boxes and how they actually corrupt wishes that i just still don't understand regarding the series, hope it'll be cleared up soon. |
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| This is by far the best literature i have ever read. |
| That was good, lol. |
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| Is the owner of the cinema Haruaki or Kokone? I guess either of the two can only think of saving Daiya wholeheartedly... And all those about simplifying human's sins are quite disgusting, in a way, those details were great to actually leads me to loathe it somehow. Guess my only wish now is to see more of Maria's despair. Is it wrong of me to think that having her to taste it again will let her regain her humanity? |
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| A big question I had from the first book is finally answered. Kazuki was able to retain his memories in the rejecting classroom because of his nature. I am still confused about the circumstances of Maria using a box before O existed, but I take this explanation for now. If I understand everything right, O was created and Kazuki was changed by Maria's box. That should be the end of it. But Maria still has the ability to take people inside "her world" - the one compared to sea floor. I am not sure why this world exists because O already gives boxes to people with a wish to grant them. So Maria's wish is already fulfilled and there shouldn't be any reason for the "sea floor world" to appear. Either way, I liked Daiya as the focus for the novel. Some mysteries remain still and next book should shed some more light on those things. |
| That was wild. Figured it would go this direction after Kazuki killed NPC Koudai Kamiuchi from the Game of Indolence, but still shocking nonetheless. Hope to see more of Kazuki's friend group and how they fit into his plans. |
| It's honestly impressive how this series gets crazier and crazier with every volume. Normally in most LNs after a very explosive volume, it would slow down to take a breather, but Hakomari doesn't do that at all. It keeps maintaining it's insanity, even getting more batshit instead of ever slowing down. This volume is by far the craziest of the series so far. Kazuki and Daiya being both the protagonists, and their battle of wits makes this arc an awesome thrill ride. |
| When kazuki start laughing like maniac, I didn't realise I was also smirking like crazy lol. Love seeing kazu showing his extreme yandere side in the end of this volume |
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