Brigandi said: Brockemsockem said: Gundam looks like it's doing down the tubes at this rate. oi http://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/07/gundam-35th-anniversary-2014-2015.html scroll down to the last 2 pics hoooo boy. another uc rehash. how exciting *sarcasm* |
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| Interesting new Gundam series but seeing as how Gundam AGE was poorly received especially by majority of mainstream Gundam fans(UC and non-UC) last year, I really would wish this new series will uplift Bandai and Sunrise once again and give at least the disappointed Tomino a bit of smile. |
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Brockemsockem said: Fai said: what is this I don't even. I guess that's TWO failure gundam series in row then. This. I couldn't agree more. Gundam looks like it's doing down the tubes at this rate. Couldn't believe they kept that kiddy, stupid art style just to sell toys. It should be equal parts story, politics, character, and robots, not just robots. I agree. Even Tomino himself is facepalmed at the current Gundam series trend. Anyway, Origin will be a good redeemer. |
FalloutShounen3Jul 5, 2013 4:28 AM
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skudoops said: Fai said: Brigandi said: Brockemsockem said: Gundam looks like it's doing down the tubes at this rate. oi http://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/07/gundam-35th-anniversary-2014-2015.html scroll down to the last 2 pics hoooo boy. another uc rehash. how exciting *sarcasm* Better than the gundam shows targeted toward women like 00 and wing. Oh lookie, obligatory sexist/misogynist post of the thread. We surely needed one of those. If you meant "aimed towards fanservice" and the derogatory usage of female gender stereotypes was unintentional, I will still laugh, because 00 is wee bit far too deep into metaphysics of universe and human nature to be enjoyed as "fanservice". |
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Fai said: Brigandi said: Brockemsockem said: Gundam looks like it's doing down the tubes at this rate. oi http://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/07/gundam-35th-anniversary-2014-2015.html scroll down to the last 2 pics hoooo boy. another uc rehash. how exciting *sarcasm* Which one is the rehash? Can you please be more specific? Also not like 00 hasn't rehash anything... Gundam Meister = Wing boys A-Laws = Titans Innovators = Newtypes Trans-am = V-MAX (SPT Layzner) + F91 Gundams after image |
Brigandi said: Fai said: Brigandi said: Brockemsockem said: Gundam looks like it's doing down the tubes at this rate. oi http://gundamguy.blogspot.com/2013/07/gundam-35th-anniversary-2014-2015.html scroll down to the last 2 pics hoooo boy. another uc rehash. how exciting *sarcasm* Which one is the rehash? Can you please be more specific? Also not like 00 hasn't rehash anything... Gundam Meister = Wing boys A-Laws = Titans Innovators = Newtypes Trans-am = V-MAX (SPT Layzner) + F91 Gundams after image Congratulations on noticing that gundam is multiverse of repeating themes. Here's a cookie. That's still far better and fresher and with more variations and differences(00 Meisters being far more fleshed out and far more complex characters than Wing's pretty boys, which is a given considering 00 is best parts of UC merged with best parts of Wing) than "oh look, another pointless story that claims to be canon in UC verse" |
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| You still havent said whats the damn UC rehash. If its G Reko, you do know that the story takes place 1000 year in the UC universe right? |
Brigs77Jul 5, 2013 9:17 AM
| The Gundam fanbase is starting to remind me of the angry Kyoani fans that think producers shouldn't be allowed to attract different demographics than the core base. Like look I'm a pretty huge fan of Sunrise, I like their sci-fi stuff a lot typically, I see that they do something like Love Live which isn't really for my demographic of fandom. I don't begrudge them for it and demand they do more Accel World or Horizon instead. I appreciate there's a studio out there that's interested in providing some variety and mix of content and style even within the same franchise and will try to appeal to all demographics and fanbases regardless of the fact that it's not always going to result in huge profits. To paraphrase my favorite quote from Mad Men to describe my outlook on these sorts of situations "Hate's a strong word. I hate fanboys. I don't like cutesy harem shows. They bother me. I don't like watching them. I don't hate them...I'm an adult." |
PeacingOutJul 5, 2013 11:10 AM
skudoops said: Kaioshin_Sama said: The Gundam fanbase is starting to remind me of the angry Kyoani fans that think producers shouldn't be allowed to attract different demographics than the core base. Like look I'm a pretty huge fan of Sunrise, I like their sci-fi stuff a lot typically, I see that they do something like Love Live which isn't really for my demographic of fandom. I don't begrudge them for it and demand they do more Accel World or Horizon instead. I appreciate there's a studio out there that's interested in providing some variety and mix of content and style even within the same franchise and will try to appeal to all demographics and fanbases regardless of the fact that it's not always going to result in huge profits. To paraphrase my favorite quote from Mad Men to describe my outlook on these sorts of situations "Hate's a strong word. I hate fanboys. I don't like cutesy harem shows. They bother me. I don't like watching them. I don't hate them...I'm an adult." I'm in the same boat, although in my case I give everything that they put out a chance. For instance they recently had valvrave the liberator airing and at first I really wasn't feeling it, but then I changed my expectations and really really enjoyed it. I think alot of the people who ask for another 00 or wing can easily just watch this instead. Alot of people hate sunrise for actually doing a variety of things (which I find extremely odd) and sunrise actually takes the smart route of creating new franchises whenever they have an idea for a mecha but don't want to risk it with the gundam brand. The gundam fanbase has been split since.. I'd saying wing. I feel that the wing/00 crowd tend to be alot more hostile toward sunrise's attempts to expand their audience and the UC fans tend to be alot less vocal (from my personal experience). I don't like alot of stuff, I really didn't like 00, especially after them just coming off Code Geass but I still went in with an open mind. Everyone these days seem to look at a PV and just hate hate hate, especially when it comes to sunrise. Valvrave is a strange case as it's not afraid to alienate people, pull it's punches or have everything tied up nice and neat at the end of each arc in order to tell it's story. To be honest though Sunrise has never felt like they do clear cut arcs with their originals so much as one big long story that goes from start to finish. There's nothing deliberate or clear cut to how each of their shows plays out typically and to some that can be a source of frustration as there's a lot to keep track of and it makes things kind of unpredictable Plus Valvrave seemingly deliberately permeates it's first half with lots of goofy high school students being high school students when the adults aren't around to contrast with the latter half where they get fucked over huge. My policy has always been the same, to give everything a chance. In Sunrises case I'm beyond doubting their ability to appeal to me now (it's like they can read my mind and know exactly I want out of an anime when I don't even know myself) and make the seemingly unworkable work after recent shows like Horizon on the Middle of Nowhere and Accel World managed it. Going in I expected to be underwhelmed by both and to drop them in short order, but instead I got probably the most unusual show I've seen in a long time and one of my favorite female characters of all time respectively. I even didn't mind Love Live all that much even though it's not really my thing so yeah. I genuinely don't believe I would have made it through the huge demographic shift in appeal of anime without their works in the last 5-6 years. I was all but ready to give up on anime altogether in early 2011 before Tiger and Bunny and Gundam Unicorn came out and kept me interested long enough for the industry as a whole to remember that there's still people like me out there who have certain cravings to be filled. |
PeacingOutJul 5, 2013 2:36 PM
skudoops said: I think this kind of flexibility and broadmindedness is very important in enjoyment of anime. Too many people have too much of a self-important mentality and I-know-best attitude so that they make up their mind too soon and think they know anime better than anybody (including the staff and its main target audience in Japan). Thus they judge an anime only from their own point of view which they stubbornly cling to even though the anime is actually presenting themes or in a style are never meant to meet the expectation they made up themselves (and would not budge). This is not just Valvrave. A lot of ranting about Gargantia, very much undeserved and unwarranted despite its flaws and weakness, can be put in the same category. This is blind refusal to make shifts and adjustment themselves that is the problem, rather than critical flaws in the anime itself.I'm in the same boat, although in my case I give everything that they put out a chance. For instance they recently had valvrave the liberator airing and at first I really wasn't feeling it, but then I changed my expectations and really really enjoyed it. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
murazrai said: As a fan of mechanical toy shows, I am very pleased to hear this. But the reactions towards this show...another case of this show sucks because of it's (insert genre here). I just don't understand why this sort of mentality exists. mecha was popular genre but now moe shows are taking over, this is the reason why the gundam creators are so eagerly trying to win new young audiences since majority of gundam fans are just old people |
murazrai said: So the older fans are feeling alienated? Judging from the mecha designs, I think the creators are trying to avoid that. You DO know that pairing up the old awesome mecha designs with shonen-genre underaged kids is EVEN MORE of an insult than just using new designs, right? |
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| Looks like Sunrise/Bandai are trying to do something like Danball Senki. I approve, looks like it will have better fights than Danball so I'm in. |
| Thanks for the news. Sounds pretty freakin' awesome. Can't wait, so I'll light up a blunt. |
| I liked g gundam so ill give this one a shot still waiting for Blu ray of turn A bandai |
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| If this is anything like the http://myanimelist.net/anime/9040/Mokei_Senshi_Gunpla_Builders_Beginning_G then I should have a blast with this series. |
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skudoops said: Tylerr said: Then its not gundam, its just some random game show. Its one thing to go a different direction with a story, a completely different thing to ignore 30 years of history and make something completely irrelevant. That pretty much sounds like G Gundam, Gundam 00, Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED etc.. and SD Gundam Sangokuden Brave Battle Warriors lol Just realize something. I find it funny that while hundreds, thousands of people bitch and blindly assume AGE is gonna be for toddlers, I have never heard any insults about Brave Battle Warriors. That is a 51 episodes show and aired a year before AGE. |
Brigs77Jul 22, 2013 10:53 PM
skudoops said: Tylerr said: Ridiculous, how can you have gundam without characters being inside the mechs risking their lifes? Might as well be watching yugioh. That's the point really, they are going for the younger fanbase to deliver the mecha action without the heaviness of the Gundam plots. I'm guess Sunrise won't disappoint with the battles but there was something bugging me and this was it, gundam battles are all about risking everything with high stakes! I guess I'll just have to find out whether I like it or not when I watch a couple episodes. |
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| I don't get why they are doing this again, didn't they learn from the failures of AGE? I mean its fine if they want to branch out, but can we please get another Gundam series like 00. Its been a while since we've had a good Gundam t.v. series. Not counting Unicorn since those OVA's take a year in between. |
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| LOL, it's not a surprise to many fans of mecha gathered for this news :) As a fan of mecha myself, this gets an automatic ptw from me. I'm still struggling to contain my hype for more Valvrave this October, and now Sunrise decided to air {b]two mecha series at the same time?! Sweet!! :D It's feel like home when fans of Sunrise comment in here. Kaioshin_Sama said: Like look I'm a pretty huge fan of Sunrise, I like their sci-fi stuff a lot typically, I see that they do something like Love Live which isn't really for my demographic of fandom. I don't begrudge them for it and demand they do more Accel World or Horizon instead To be fair for Kyoani fans though, Accel World and Horizon are almost certain to have another season. Considering those show's popularity and Bandai's money, I'm sure they are just in queue behind the horde of other Sunrise shows from now to Spring 2014, while prospect for Haruhi S3 is very dim. Kaioshin_Sama said: My policy has always been the same, to give everything a chance. In Sunrises case I'm beyond doubting their ability to appeal to me now (it's like they can read my mind and know exactly I want out of an anime when I don't even know myself) and make the seemingly unworkable work after recent shows like Horizon on the Middle of Nowhere and Accel World managed it. Going in I expected to be underwhelmed by both and to drop them in short order, but instead I got probably the most unusual show I've seen in a long time and one of my favorite female characters of all time respectively. I even didn't mind Love Live all that much even though it's not really my thing so yeah. It's the issue of Sunrise's diversity vs. Kyoani conservatism again for me. I must applaud Kyoani's effort to branch out with Free! This is precisely what I have discussed with jmal a while ago about Kyoani's direction. In short, I was hoping that they follow Sunrise footsteps in diversification and they did just that! XD Granted it's difficult since every studio has its own way to approach the same material with animation. Kyoani knows what it does best and it is not quite sure how to import the trademarked brand of moeness into other settings just yet. With history lesson in mind, I'm surprised that people were disappointed with Sunrise trying to appeal to younger generations again. This is a studio that has survived through the years while many others failed by doing the exact same thing over and over: diversification. Your feeling about Accel World is the exact same way I felt. I might have not watched anime again if not for that anime. The thing about Sunrise's brand of animation that "clicked" with me is its fast paced and eventful plot, its proper care for characterization (characters in Sunrise's shows are always expressed as multidimensional people, not just typical clinches), and its treatment of viewers as adults who are trying to engage with the story. Valvarve, Love Live, Accel World are the recent testaments for this after a long line of iconic anime. A personal note, nothing beats Planetes as my number one sci-fi show precisely due to characterization. btw, Love Live! is still my favorite out of every anime I have watched after it XD |
ThangLongJul 31, 2013 2:05 AM
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Uriel_The_Fourth said: I don't get why they are doing this again, didn't they learn from the failures of AGE? I mean its fine if they want to branch out, but can we please get another Gundam series like 00. Its been a while since we've had a good Gundam t.v. series. Not counting Unicorn since those OVA's take a year in between. was betting that you're one of those people that only saw SEED, 00, and/or Wing and god damn i was right. And how the fucking hell is this has anything to do with AGE? unless the Mobile Suits makes appearance however AGE and 00 names are not in the list.  This is pretty much Gunpla Builders again combined with Gundam Breakers and the global tournament thing... uhh where did i hear that from... oh yeah, G GUNDAM. I wonder again... when G Gundam appears, the first alternate universe, i wonder how the fans of the original timeline react to that. |
Brigandi said: Uriel_The_Fourth said: I don't get why they are doing this again, didn't they learn from the failures of AGE? I mean its fine if they want to branch out, but can we please get another Gundam series like 00. Its been a while since we've had a good Gundam t.v. series. Not counting Unicorn since those OVA's take a year in between. was betting that you're one of those people that only saw SEED, 00, and/or Wing and god damn i was right. And how the fucking hell is this has anything to do with AGE? unless the Mobile Suits makes appearance however AGE and 00 names are not in the list. This is pretty much Gunpla Builders again combined with Gundam Breakers and the global tournament thing... uhh where did i hear that from... oh yeah, G GUNDAM. I wonder again... when G Gundam appears, the first alternate universe, i wonder how the fans of the original timeline react to that. Wait Gundam 00 or AGE mechs are not going to appear in this TV series? That sucks I was hoping to see AGE-2 Dark Hound again and Allelujah's Gundams. |
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Roloko said: Wait Gundam 00 or AGE mechs are not going to appear in this TV series? That sucks I was hoping to see AGE-2 Dark Hound again and Allelujah's Gundams. That's what i heard at least. one dude thinks its because they're the most recent. |
| Frankly I don't see this series being a huge success. Sure it will be interesting to see all of the different models but turning Gundam into a gaming anime doesn't seem like a great idea. Unless there is some killer twist that will make the stakes life or death, or some shocking reveal that the fights aren't really simulated, it seems like a bad fit for a franchise built around the horrors of war. For most Gundam fans to respect this show it will need to take a really, really dark turn. If not, it's likely to make AGE look like a Tomino series by comparison. |
skudoops said: Tylerr said: skudoops said: Tylerr said: Ridiculous, how can you have gundam without characters being inside the mechs risking their lifes? Might as well be watching yugioh. That's the point really, they are going for the younger fanbase to deliver the mecha action without the heaviness of the Gundam plots. Then its not gundam, its just some random game show. Its one thing to go a different direction with a story, a completely different thing to ignore 30 years of history and make something completely irrelevant. That pretty much sounds like G Gundam, Gundam 00, Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED etc.. Not particularly, because the shows you named were all true to the mature spirit of Gundam. Even G Gundam in spite of being very different stayed true to the inherent mature themes of the Gundam franchise. If this show is essentially bayblade with mechs it really has no business being associated with the Gundam franchise. The reason people are upset is because Gundam has a long established theme and a long record of quality. Taking that and turning it into a very typical shonen anime is pretty much a middle finger to the fans and it promises a greater decline in quality. I hope the series will pull a G Gundam and turn out to have a deep plot with serious life or death consequences. If it doesn't then i don't suspect it will be well received or well remembered by the fans. |
| It's funny how people are complaining that Build fighters are being aimed for children. Ever since 0079, Gundam has always been aimed for children. It just happens that it was able to appeal to a mature audiences. “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” ― C.S. Lewis Uriel_The_Fourth said: I mean its fine if they want to branch out, but can we please get another Gundam series like 00. Its been a while since we've had a good Gundam t.v. series. How cute. Yet you only have watched the three mainstream Gundam series. How about try watching 0079, The 08th MS Team or Zeta Gundam? |
skudoops said: Gundam has a record of quality, but sunrise has to expand the fanbase, fans of the original aren't going to be around forever (I believe this is one of the reasons they are remaking that as well). It's easier to ease kids into it using different premise but keeping the gundam battles. As with AGE you can see that kids don't want the heaviness of a traditional gundam storyline on them, so they are making a series that's more accessible to them. Like Wing and 00 are more accessible to teens than say Unicorn, 08th or Char's. Each series brings in new fans, plenty came in with Wing, Seed, 00 etc. I wasn't any older than the target demographic for build fighters when I jumped on board with Wing and have gone on to watch in part or in full every Gundam series made. There is no point in sacrificing a long standing standard of quality. There is no point in taking a high stakes, high drama franchise like Gundam and dumbing it down to resemble Yugioh or Bayblade. What's the point in even calling it Gundam if it's going to abandon everything that Gundam is supposed to be about? Even G-Gundam, which was a complete departure from the normal form managed to hold on to the same life or death stakes and the same high level of drama. Heck, the later episodes got dark as all hell. I'm not saying that this new series necessarily won't, but if it doesn't, if it turns out to be pokemon with robots then frankly it will be a black mark on the entire franchise. I'll watch it, same as I watched Age, but from what I've seen and heard so far I think well be begging for more Age before this thing is done. |
| Based on this it doesn't look too promising... The creative team at least looks semi-decent. |
ERmixon said: skudoops said: Gundam has a record of quality, but sunrise has to expand the fanbase, fans of the original aren't going to be around forever (I believe this is one of the reasons they are remaking that as well). It's easier to ease kids into it using different premise but keeping the gundam battles. As with AGE you can see that kids don't want the heaviness of a traditional gundam storyline on them, so they are making a series that's more accessible to them. Like Wing and 00 are more accessible to teens than say Unicorn, 08th or Char's. Each series brings in new fans, plenty came in with Wing, Seed, 00 etc. I wasn't any older than the target demographic for build fighters when I jumped on board with Wing and have gone on to watch in part or in full every Gundam series made. There is no point in sacrificing a long standing standard of quality. There is no point in taking a high stakes, high drama franchise like Gundam and dumbing it down to resemble Yugioh or Bayblade. What's the point in even calling it Gundam if it's going to abandon everything that Gundam is supposed to be about? Even G-Gundam, which was a complete departure from the normal form managed to hold on to the same life or death stakes and the same high level of drama. Heck, the later episodes got dark as all hell. I'm not saying that this new series necessarily won't, but if it doesn't, if it turns out to be pokemon with robots then frankly it will be a black mark on the entire franchise. I'll watch it, same as I watched Age, but from what I've seen and heard so far I think well be begging for more Age before this thing is done. On some level I sort of agree with you, on another I know how Sunrise is capable of just completely pulling the rug out from people time after time and surprising when it comes to themes and what the characters end up going through. AGE is kind of the exception in that it was essentially the brainchild of Level 5 more than anything whereas this looks like their producers are taking more direct control over matters and want to steer it in a clear direction. Also Yosuke Kuroda a veteran sci-fi/mecha writer fills me with far more confidence than Akihiro Hino who makes video games for children for a living, not anime. I only think Gundam AGE really messed things up with Kio's development (though of course this is a huge problem that snowballs through the last arc as he's supposed to be one of our focus/lead characters along with Flit and Asemu) though and it made the last arc far less than it could have been. Flit was a fairly well realized character in my book and kind of unique for the franchise in that you got to see him grow up and go through various phases and beliefs in his life and was probably the most consistent character. By contrast Kio's development made almost no sense to me as he meets one sick civilian girl from the enemy nations side and has a brief chat with their leader then instead of taking that experience with him and maybe learning some maturity with regard to what happens during war and how it effects civilians he essentially turns on his own allies, describes the enemies absolute dictator/war monger as a good man, and his actions start costing good people their lives when it could be easily preventable since he keeps saving enemy commanders lives and allowing his own people to get taken out in the process. It just reflects really badly on him and makes him look outright stupid and anything but a hero thinking that the people he is fighting like Zanald are somehow all innocent misunderstood tragedies of war instead of the cause of it and even more painfully naive rather than virtuous and honorable which I have to imagine is what they were actually going for. Like at least for all his Jesusness Kira Yamato could at least tell the difference between friend and foe. Extremely poorly handled main character that Kio, honestly probably the worst in the franchise aside from Shinn Asuka. |
PeacingOutAug 9, 2013 11:42 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: Extremely poorly handled main character that Kio, honestly probably the worst in the franchise aside from Shinn Asuka. I think Hathaway Noa might hold that title. Bright's idiot son who for some reason is a protagonist in CC. He steals a GM while trying to get with his enemy girlfriend and gets a good portion of the cast killed while selfishly perusing a chick. He sort of amounted to the anti-gundam protagonist. Where a Gundam protagonist typically is a civilian who gets into a cockpit and has mad skill Hathaway didn't know WTF he was doing and bumbled his way into causing the deaths of multiple good guys and infuriatingly survived to the end, luckily that was fixed later.  |
ERmixon said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Extremely poorly handled main character that Kio, honestly probably the worst in the franchise aside from Shinn Asuka. I think Hathaway Noa might hold that title. Bright's idiot son who for some reason is a protagonist in CC. He steals a GM while trying to get with his enemy girlfriend and gets a good portion of the cast killed while selfishly perusing a chick. He sort of amounted to the anti-gundam protagonist. Where a Gundam protagonist typically is a civilian who gets into a cockpit and has mad skill Hathaway didn't know WTF he was doing and bumbled his way into causing the deaths of multiple good guys and infuriatingly survived to the end, luckily that was fixed later. The difference is he ends up paying for his stupidity in big ways by the time of Hathaway's Flash and is more than made an example of then anything. Kio isn't outright rewarded for his actions, but he sure as hell isn't made to suffer many of the consequences for them so much as his allies are and what are supposed to be I guess his strengths of character end up coming across as glaring flaws which is also a weird vibe to that last arc. That's what left me with a sick feeling in the end more than anything, like some of these people didn't need to die but did because of Kio's inability to act without good enough cause. |
Allenkilla1 said: I agree kashim said: They sure as hell did not do their homework after Gundam AGE 'massive success'. I couldn't agree anymore and I just wished they have characters which are similar to Gundam 00/Seed IMO 00 also has the best story line although I have not started unicorn yet |
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