Puella Magi Madoka Magica
DateYutaka said: Tavor said: DateYutaka said: ANGELS YES in in the same context but yes saying that when whats the title of EVA Theme again Cruel Angel's Thesis? What does the theme song title have to do with anything? to say any thing iwth anything called angel in them that does not have a link to the title does not take influence from eva is wrong Usually I can decode your mystical language, but this time, I'm hazy on this one. "To say anything with angels in said anime does not have a link to the title and doesn't take inspiration from Evangelion is the wrong idea." ???? |
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renders said: it was too short and i felt like it borrowed stuff from other shows like steins gate,mirai nikki,end of eva ,devilman and other bs i didn't liked madoka It's not like Steins;Gate invented the idea of traveling back in time to save someone. Frankly despite only being in one episode I liked how Madoka did time travel better than S;G. I felt that Steins wasn't able to justify some of the fundamentals used in its time travel in a satisfying way, and I also have some problems with how time travel is used there as a narrative element. As to the topic, I think Madoka is an amazing show, though I can't compare with other MG shows because I haven't seen any. |
daedroth4 said: renders said: it was too short and i felt like it borrowed stuff from other shows like steins gate,mirai nikki,end of eva ,devilman and other bs i didn't liked madoka It's not like Steins;Gate invented the idea of traveling back in time to save someone. Frankly despite only being in one episode I liked how Madoka did time travel better than S;G. I felt that Steins wasn't able to justify some of the fundamentals used in its time travel in a satisfying way, and I also have some problems with how time travel is used there as a narrative element. As to the topic, I think Madoka is an amazing show, though I can't compare with other MG shows because I haven't seen any. I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre |
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renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? "let's put the copying part aside" >the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times Way to stay consistent. Anyway, I thought it was provoking in a way because of how we were presented with the idea of, "What exactly is a human's essence and value worth to the universe? Why should it truly matter if said person dies? If it's for the greater good, there should not be an issue, especially when humans do the same thing to animals lesser than them" |
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renders said: daedroth4 said: renders said: it was too short and i felt like it borrowed stuff from other shows like steins gate,mirai nikki,end of eva ,devilman and other bs i didn't liked madoka It's not like Steins;Gate invented the idea of traveling back in time to save someone. Frankly despite only being in one episode I liked how Madoka did time travel better than S;G. I felt that Steins wasn't able to justify some of the fundamentals used in its time travel in a satisfying way, and I also have some problems with how time travel is used there as a narrative element. As to the topic, I think Madoka is an amazing show, though I can't compare with other MG shows because I haven't seen any. I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre Meaning can still be gleaned from the show regardless. Having an understanding of the genre would probably help, but even then that makes the show better, not worse. |
renders said: Most people like it because it's an interesting idea that was executed in a way that makes you feel connected to characters and the plot.I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre |
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KawanoMino said: The sad thing is that not many feel this about Sayaka.renders said: Most people like it because it's an interesting idea that was executed in a way that makes you feel connected to characters and the plot.I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre |
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renders said: I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre I think most have at least seen Sailor Moon, it was extremely popular when I was younger. I think you just have some grudge against it, cause your reasoning for not liking it makes no sense. You gave Code Geass a 10 and that is just as much a mash up of ideas from different anime/manga as Madoka is. I think the reason people like it is because it has decent writing, good art, some bad ass fights, and tons of style. I think it was overhyped when it was airing and for a bit after that, but that has died down a bit now. It deserves to be acknowledged as being great, it's not the best(in my opinion) but it deserves its place. |
NeoAnkara said: Really? I cried when KawanoMino said: The sad thing is that not many feel this about Sayaka.renders said: Most people like it because it's an interesting idea that was executed in a way that makes you feel connected to characters and the plot.I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre |
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KawanoMino said: Just look at the number of favorite here. Mami have more favorite than her even thought she didn't develop NeoAnkara said: Really? I cried when KawanoMino said: The sad thing is that not many feel this about Sayaka.renders said: Most people like it because it's an interesting idea that was executed in a way that makes you feel connected to characters and the plot.I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre |
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renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? It's kind of hard to elaborate on all the things I enjoyed with a general question like that. I guess to take one specific thing, you mentioned that at around episode 4 you know exactly what is going to happen to one of the characters, and this is completely right. But what I think is unfortunately so unappreciated here on MAL is dramatic irony, and knowledge of the inevitable. So often I see people judge a show based on how predictable it is. There is no appreciation of foreshadowing in order to make a story feel whole and connected. Personally, when I knew exactly what was going to happen from episode 4, it made me love the show more, not less. This kind of ominous foreshadowing gets me engaged and tense like few surprises can because I want those characters to succeed so badly even though I know they will fail. It provides a real dramatic tension that goes unappreciated when everyone is just looking for how many times a show can make them second guess themselves. |
renders said: BatoKusanagi said: Certainly the best out there. renders said: it was too short and i felt like it borrowed stuff from other shows like steins gate,mirai nikki,end of eva ,devilman and other bs i didn't liked madoka That so, let's see: Time travel-- Nope Angels-- Nope Cellphones that predict the future-- Nope BS-- Nope Witches-- Yes. If it borrowed anything from other anime is Hidamari Sketche's char design. Try again. it borrowed the time travel bs twist from steins gate,mirai nikki,znt, and other time travel bs and that bs ending from eva,akira,devilman and others and when i say devilman i mean the manga There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki. I recommend you watch them again, ZnT barely has it in one chapter and watch EoE again, you didn't get that either if you think Madoka resembles Madoka. LOL Akira? Seriously? I recommend a re-watch marathon. Haven't read Devilman, but we're not talking manga here, so it doesn't matter. |
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NeoAnkara said: KawanoMino said: Just look at the number of favorite here. Mami have more favorite than her even thought she didn't develop NeoAnkara said: Really? I cried when KawanoMino said: The sad thing is that not many feel this about Sayaka.renders said: Most people like it because it's an interesting idea that was executed in a way that makes you feel connected to characters and the plot.I'm starting to think that's why most ppl on mal like madoka because they never even seen a magical girl show before while this is a deconstruction of the genre Favorites on MAL don't equal to how good a character is or how many people may love them. Sasuke has a shitload of favorites on here and you can find a million people saying how he's an emo little bitch. Most people don't like Sayaka because she turns insane and pretty much loses it. I for one absolutely adore her, sympathize with her, and just think she's a wonderful and beautifully tragic character. Why am I even getting involved in this thread? This is going to turn out like the old mahou shoujo thread. |
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BatoKusanagi said: renders said: BatoKusanagi said: Certainly the best out there. renders said: it was too short and i felt like it borrowed stuff from other shows like steins gate,mirai nikki,end of eva ,devilman and other bs i didn't liked madoka That so, let's see: Time travel-- Nope Angels-- Nope Cellphones that predict the future-- Nope BS-- Nope Witches-- Yes. If it borrowed anything from other anime is Hidamari Sketche's char design. Try again. it borrowed the time travel bs twist from steins gate,mirai nikki,znt, and other time travel bs and that bs ending from eva,akira,devilman and others and when i say devilman i mean the manga There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki. I recommend you watch them again, ZnT barely has it in one chapter and watch EoE again, you didn't get that either if you think Madoka resembles Madoka. LOL Akira? Seriously? I recommend a re-watch marathon. Haven't read Devilman, but we're not talking manga here, so it doesn't matter. "There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki." Uhh.. I hate to say this, but I recommend you watch episode 10 again. And yeah, it borrows ideas from other shows. So what? What matters in the end is the execution. Besides Madoka Magica's time traveling aspect is VASTLY superior to Mirai Nikki's. |
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ihateeveryone said: Why am I even getting involved in this thread? This is going to turn out like the old mahou shoujo thread. katsucats, where are you? |
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Litrydow said: Every normal person feels like you. Implying that there's such a thing as normal people. If anything the show has similarities to Kamen Rider Ryuki. As well as Lyrical Nanoha, thanks to being the same director. As well as Heartcatch Precure, which Urobuchi has said he likes. |
Tavor said: ihateeveryone said: Why am I even getting involved in this thread? This is going to turn out like the old mahou shoujo thread. katsucats, where are you? The second he gets in this thread I'm banning myself. |
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RLinksoul said: Litrydow said: Every normal person feels like you. Implying that there's such a thing as normal people. If anything the show has similarities to Kamen Rider Ryuki. As well as Lyrical Nanoha, thanks to being the same director. As well as Heartcatch Precure, which Urobuchi has said he likes. I kinda find it hard for it to have copied from Heartcatch's ending, since as soon as Heartcatch ended Madoka started, and Madoka was already in production beforehand, so.. |
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RLinksoul said: Litrydow said: Every normal person feels like you. Implying that there's such a thing as normal people. If anything the show has similarities to Kamen Rider Ryuki. As well as Lyrical Nanoha, thanks to being the same director. As well as Heartcatch Precure, which Urobuchi has said he likes. Fighting to have your wish granted and having your wish granted in return for fighting is kind of a big difference to be honest. And while it looks like Madoka and Ryuki have similar premises, a premise by itself doesn't make a show. I'm pretty sure every show in my favorites list had a premise that made me roll my eyes before I watched it, so this is something I find to be pretty superficial. |
ihateeveryone said: "There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki." Uhh.. I hate to say this, but I recommend you watch episode 10 again. And yeah, it borrows ideas from other shows. So what? What matters in the end is the execution. Besides Madoka Magica's time traveling aspect is VASTLY superior to Mirai Nikki's. Nope. (MSMM and Mirai Nikki spoilers) |
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BatoKusanagi said: In Mirai Nikki ihateeveryone said: "There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki." Uhh.. I hate to say this, but I recommend you watch episode 10 again. And yeah, it borrows ideas from other shows. So what? What matters in the end is the execution. Besides Madoka Magica's time traveling aspect is VASTLY superior to Mirai Nikki's. Nope. (MSMM and Mirai Nikki spoilers) |
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ihateeveryone said: I just want to say that Dragon Knight is really bad counterpart to Ryuuki.RLinksoul said: Litrydow said: Every normal person feels like you. Implying that there's such a thing as normal people. If anything the show has similarities to Kamen Rider Ryuki. As well as Lyrical Nanoha, thanks to being the same director. As well as Heartcatch Precure, which Urobuchi has said he likes. I kinda find it hard for it to have copied from Heartcatch's ending, since as soon as Heartcatch ended Madoka started, and Madoka was already in production beforehand, so.. |
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BatoKusanagi said: ihateeveryone said: "There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki." Uhh.. I hate to say this, but I recommend you watch episode 10 again. And yeah, it borrows ideas from other shows. So what? What matters in the end is the execution. Besides Madoka Magica's time traveling aspect is VASTLY superior to Mirai Nikki's. Nope. (MSMM and Mirai Nikki spoilers) For Madoka... Isn't that basically time traveling....? |
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BatoKusanagi said: ihateeveryone said: "There's no time travel in MSMM and Mirai Nikki." Uhh.. I hate to say this, but I recommend you watch episode 10 again. And yeah, it borrows ideas from other shows. So what? What matters in the end is the execution. Besides Madoka Magica's time traveling aspect is VASTLY superior to Mirai Nikki's. Nope. (MSMM and Mirai Nikki spoilers) |
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| Madoka is a wonderful magical girl series, but it is an oddity to the genre rather than an example of it, which is what so few people seem to understand. I get that a lot of people consider Madoka to be the best magical girl series they've seen. I also get these same people have maybe seen one or two magical girl series in addition to Madoka and that Madoka subverts, deconstructs, and occassionally annihilates most magical girl tropes. What Gen Urobuchi created with Madoka, as he claims to have said he set out to do, was not a good magical girl story, but a good story period. Madoka is more than its subversions and deconstructions, something I didn't realize until the second time I watched it. This story cares deeply, deeply for its characters and uncovers every possible facet of them underneath their candy-colored exteriors and succeeds tremendously on its restraint and willingness to play within Kyubey's rules rather than break them for the sake of audience pandering. It is an absolute treat. Now, with that said, Madoka is not what I think of when I think magical girl, and that is because Madoka uses the mahou shoujo genre as a background rather than an identity. It uses the genre to establish its setting and then cruelly destroys the illusion, opening the curtain and inviting shocked and awed viewers to walk deeper into the darkness behind its exterior. By the by, my favorite (read: not best) magical girl series is Ojamajo Doremi. |
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-Miles- said: otakuNproud said: -Miles- said: I feel that Utena does a better job as a deconstruction. Even then, I prefer the Nanoha series more. You mean the anime right, not the manga? I haven't seen the anime, but the manga version felt like more like a more unique version of the magical girl genre than a deconstruction of it. By that, I mean the main female character is more daring and authentic than that of other magical girls I've seen. Yep. The premise is the same (duels, etc.), but there's a ton of noticeable differences between the anime and manga. The movie clears up on a ton of issues that weren't resolved or explained in the manga or anime; also, car metaphors. Ugh, I could only watch the first twenty minutes of the movie. It pissed me off; it felt like the screenwriter just used Utena and Anthy as for own personal entertainment. I wish he could have just stuck to the original storyline. |
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Tavor said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? "let's put the copying part aside" >the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times Way to stay consistent. Anyway, I thought it was provoking in a way because of how we were presented with the idea of, "What exactly is a human's essence and value worth to the universe? Why should it truly matter if said person dies? If it's for the greater good, there should not be an issue, especially when humans do the same thing to animals lesser than them" I'm sorry but eva ,aoi bungaku and other shows made a better job in making you ask yourself about these question.This on the other hand not so much,didn't cared about any of the characters.Also even that evil little guy reminded me of bokurano and narutaru |
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renders said: Tavor said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? "let's put the copying part aside" >the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times Way to stay consistent. Anyway, I thought it was provoking in a way because of how we were presented with the idea of, "What exactly is a human's essence and value worth to the universe? Why should it truly matter if said person dies? If it's for the greater good, there should not be an issue, especially when humans do the same thing to animals lesser than them" I'm sorry but eva ,aoi bungaku and other shows made a better job in making you ask yourself about these question.This on the other hand not so much,didn't cared about any of the characters.Also even that evil little guy reminded me of bokurano and narutaru Sorry, but Evangelion and Madoka made me ask two very different questions. |
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renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? Well, as I said on somebody else's post, I like the way it show the consequences of becoming a magical girl more realistically. I mean, think about it, once you become a magical girl (or a magical anything for that matter) you aren't exactly human anymore. It makes you think about what you are willing to do to have that kind of power. Besides that, I really empathized with some of the characters, especially Madoka and Homura. Those two have got to be the most noble female anime characters I've ever encountered. |
Tavor said: renders said: Tavor said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? "let's put the copying part aside" >the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times Way to stay consistent. Anyway, I thought it was provoking in a way because of how we were presented with the idea of, "What exactly is a human's essence and value worth to the universe? Why should it truly matter if said person dies? If it's for the greater good, there should not be an issue, especially when humans do the same thing to animals lesser than them" I'm sorry but eva ,aoi bungaku and other shows made a better job in making you ask yourself about these question.This on the other hand not so much,didn't cared about any of the characters.Also even that evil little guy reminded me of bokurano and narutaru Sorry, but Evangelion and Madoka made me ask two very different questions. and that is why we are all different |
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otakuNproud said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? Well, as I said on somebody else's post, I like the way it show the consequences of becoming a magical girl more realistically. I mean, think about it, once you become a magical girl (or a magical anything for that matter) you aren't exactly human anymore. It makes you think about what you are willing to do to have that kind of power. Besides that, I really empathized with some of the characters, especially Madoka and Homura. Those two have got to be the most noble female anime characters I've ever encountered. Yeah I think about it,I've seen this in every magical girl show done better,especially Jeanne...oh Jeanne |
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renders said: and that is why we are all different Nevertheless, they are at least thought provoking, as you asked plainly, "so what's so thought provoking about this show?" and I gave you an answer; not to make comparisons. |
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battosai-01 said: Watch Utena =/ I've already read the manga; I liked it, but not enough to watch the anime sorry. |
| I believe most people tend to agree that the execution is good, but I know there are a few that don't feel it has enough substance to be truly great. One of the things that only became clear over time for me was what the ending was supposed to mean. It's clear enough that Madoka is a deconstruction, made to take apart and examine common MG tropes. But by my own interpretation I am convinced that Madoka is still a show that wants to be a magical girl show at heart. It is a deconstruction that reaffirms, rather than rejects the tenants of magical girl shows. Basically, I disagree that the show is style over substance. It doesn't really become apparent right away, but I firmly believe that the substance is there and that it is awesome. |
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| I can't say I'm compelled very much to continue with Princess Tutu the same way Puella Magi Madoka Magica enthralled me from start to finish. Yes I'm calling out a lot of people on that. Too bad. The responses I'm seeing from the first page onward are practically inviting this. |
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renders said: otakuNproud said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? Well, as I said on somebody else's post, I like the way it show the consequences of becoming a magical girl more realistically. I mean, think about it, once you become a magical girl (or a magical anything for that matter) you aren't exactly human anymore. It makes you think about what you are willing to do to have that kind of power. Besides that, I really empathized with some of the characters, especially Madoka and Homura. Those two have got to be the most noble female anime characters I've ever encountered. Yeah I think about it,I've seen this in every magical girl show done better,especially Jeanne...oh Jeanne Well, if you read my starting post, you'd see that I said I liked the soundtrack and the animation too. Basically, to sum it up, I liked it b/c it was angsty, bleak, and hopeful. Also, b/c Homura and Modoka would make a good couple, IMO. And, I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to make me see it your way. |
Akito_Kinomoto said: Well fuck you!I can't say I'm compelled very much to continue with Princess Tutu the same way Puella Magi Madoka Magica enthralled me from start to finish. Yes I'm calling out a lot of people on that. Too bad. The responses I'm seeing from the first page onward are practically inviting this. Nah just kidding, but I personally found Tutu way more interesting and well written. It was mainly the characters that I felt brought down Madoka. There was way too much angst when very little even happened throughout the course of the show. |
renders said: To me the magical girl shows always felt like battle shounens for girls and most of them > madoka But guess what? Most magical girl anime these days are aimed at adult men. |
otakuNproud said: renders said: otakuNproud said: renders said: ok then let's put the copying part aside what exactly was so great about this show?:) after ep 4 or 5 when you know happens you kinda get the idea about what kinda show to expect,the length is too short to care about any of the characters,the witches...I don't even,the time travel twist you've seen a 1000x times and the 2.0 end of eva ending so what's so thought provoking about this show? Well, as I said on somebody else's post, I like the way it show the consequences of becoming a magical girl more realistically. I mean, think about it, once you become a magical girl (or a magical anything for that matter) you aren't exactly human anymore. It makes you think about what you are willing to do to have that kind of power. Besides that, I really empathized with some of the characters, especially Madoka and Homura. Those two have got to be the most noble female anime characters I've ever encountered. Yeah I think about it,I've seen this in every magical girl show done better,especially Jeanne...oh Jeanne Well, if you read my starting post, you'd see that I said I liked the soundtrack and the animation too. Basically, to sum it up, I liked it b/c it was angsty, bleak, and hopeful. Also, b/c Homura and Modoka would make a good couple, IMO. And, I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to make me see it your way. but aren't you trying to make others see it your way hence the thread and the praise? all you do is praising it instead of giving a proper argument |
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| Its my favorite, but I haven't watched many magical girl shows except a bit of sailor moon as a kid. I have read a couple magical girl manga though, so I knew enough to get all the full enjoyment out of the deconstruction. |
renders said: To me the magical girl shows always felt like battle shounens for girls and most of them > madoka Lol, seriously, Lol renders said: but aren't you trying to make others see it your way hence the thread and the praise? all you do is praising it instead of giving a proper argument The irony |
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