Criticisms about dubs that made you want to slap your forehead and go, "what the f*** are you talking about?!"
| The person must have it backwards for Black Lagoon? (just kidding, I like Megumi Toyoguchi as Revy too) |
| It doesn't matter if you're watching dubs or subs--you're still getting a translated version. You're not getting the original unless you go take some Japanese courses at community college or something. The only inherent difference is that dubs have the restriction of having to time the mouth movements; therefore, sentences get rearranged out of necessity, but rarely does any meaning get lost. And when it does happen, that's the choice of the director and/or line producer--by no means is it inherent to all dubs. I think art and entertainment are synonymous, personally. But the whole "unadulterated" argument ignores a huge point: Very rarely is the original manga author directly involved in the production of the anime. So, Japanese or English, you're getting an adaptation--there's just no way around that. You're just getting two versions of the same adaptation. Also, I'm missing your point about Spirited Away. They called it a bath house in the Japanese version, and they called it a bath house in the English version; what were you trying to say, exactly? I do think that dubs should never make changes to the script for cultural reasons, myself--in most cases, when a production company has a global market in mind (as in, they think it may have potential outside of Japan), it's not hard to make most shows fairly "culture neutral." With the exception of extreme cases, like Azumanga Daioh--which is about day-to-day Japanese life, but those sorts of series tend to have fanbases composed almost entirely of people who have prior experience with anime anyhow. |
| Were there big Japanese signs on the building that read "bento" or "bath house?" If so, that would probably just be their way of translating sans the subtext (they were marketing the movie largely to children). If not... well, the line's not really out of place in either language. |
| Well. Not necessarily. When dubbing, writers have to take into account fluidity and syllable count, which means words have to be shuffled around and speech paraphrased. The meaning rarely changes, though, and when it does, it's intentional--like 4Kids. |
Khooni said: That kind of criticism is more nitpicky on trivialities than anything else, really. Dub or sub, people are still essentially watching the same show, with the same characters, story, and setting, just with different voices."japanes to english translations are not good in english dub" the most common arguement. Doesnt make sense at all because the subtitles that they're reading are also the product of the same translation, which mean that the whatever subs that they're reading are the same ones that are being used in the english dubs. The translation criticism shouldn't really matter unless the localization is really screwed up. For me, either extreme of the literal-liberal continuum is bad for a dub, because in either case, the dub ceases to be a faithful adaptation and becomes either a mere lazy copy (which also may or may not be referred to as too "weeaboo" by some people, e.g. Sentai Filmworks) or an entirely new show (e.g. 4kids trying to "kiddify" their anime such as One Piece). |
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| I don't remeber what the argument was like, but it could be summarized like this: "I hate dubs because pressing a couple of buttons to change the language is too much for me" |
Markrye said: I don't remeber what the argument was like, but it could be summarized like this: "I hate dubs because pressing a couple of buttons to change the language is too much for me" In what case would someone have to do that? DVD's - Usually English by default if they're dual audio Netflix/Hulu - Usually English by default if they're dual audio Downloads - About half and half, default English or Japanese among dual audio files Streams - Either dubbed or subbed single streams, almost never dual audio No matter how you slice it, you encounter dubs by default a lot more often, and have to go out of your way to switch to Japanese with subtitles. |
| One thing I have never understood ..is if people hate dubz ya the hell do they watch them....I mean most if not all DVD releases also come with the original japanese voice as will as the dub...so ya watch it if up hate it ... Another thing is a lot of people complain the dub is censored ....a lot of fan subs have profanity that the series daz not have I mean ..a pg 13 anime would have profanity in the sub but when the dub daz not put any they complain ...its not supose'do to have .... EG Naruto and Fairy Tail dude really there were so many complains about naruto censorship that they had to re dub it and put out the uncutdub ....W.T'F its a pg 13 show if u could understand japanese up would not here profanity but no ....they still complain for some unknown reason that never makes sense... |
| The "dubs are edited" argument is outdated because most dubs aren't edited. At least not the commercial versions. A lot of them, such as Naruto, still receive TV edits which are absent on the DVD releases. That said, I do agree with the sentiment that making edits/censoring on a DVD release is an atrocious crime against the art of anime. The Japanese language is different from our own in that there aren't really any designated "curse" words. There's not really any such thing as "profanity" in the American sense of the word in the Japanese language, so the translation is pretty open to how the translators want to interpret the exclamations. And with THAT said, it's not just language that was edited in Naruto (and other similar TV edits). Scenes were cut, episodes skipped, and visual edits made so that the show was less violent, etc. They do go all out. |
| One of the worst things I've read lately is people complaining about SUPERIOR changes in dub dialogue. I was watching Steins;Gate recently and one member posted a side-by-side comparison of the dub dialogue to the sub dialogue while making the point that "this is why I always watch the series dubbed." Then someone who replied to him couldn't even deny that the dubbed dialogue was FAR more witty but just said he hates that dubs aren't 100% completely accurate to the source, even though the same point was being made. Wtf? Like, seriously, what the fuck? |
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| I guess I can understand that. I'm kind of on the fence about that myself. I have a hard time deciding whether I support the decision to change dialogue, even if it's an improvement. (That said, I'll watch it either way) |
| The thing about the people who adamantly despise dubs is that very, very few of them (If any at all) are speaking from experience. It's always some arbitrary decision based on what some guy on the Internet said or a 30 second clip from a bad 4kids dub. |
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SeibaaHomu said: The thing about the people who adamantly despise dubs is that very, very few of them (If any at all) are speaking from experience. It's always some arbitrary decision based on what some guy on the Internet said or a 30 second clip from a bad 4kids dub. This right here just about sums up the whole of the situation. |
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