| The new thread for EP8, Twilight of the Golden Witch. |
| re: purple text - THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. ;_; |
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| The 8th Motion Graphic is out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNWJSI_iMAc&feature=sub |
 Let's go, partner Ange. I don't like the whole "partner" thing, just call me Ange.  Well then, you may call me Your Highness Erika. ... Fine, let's go, partner Erika. |
| YES! Erika is back! |
| The ???? ending has made me furious. God...I'm disappointed. |
| Apparently the Japanese are raging aswell. |
dioptase said: Apparently the Japanese are raging aswell. Does the ending suck? |
GarLogan78 said: Does the ending suck? From what I've read so far; they don't really like it. |
| It doesn't necessarily suck. It just happens to be unsatisfying to many. Has Ryukishi lost it? Any person who's sane would realize pulling off something like this would infuriate fans who have been following your work for years. He has worldwide fans, and he knows. It really saddens me that he'd just go and pull something like this. |
dioptase said: Apparently the Japanese are raging aswell. You know it's serious when even the Japanese fandom are angry as well. From the spoilers this episode is both confusing and mindscrewy and not in the same way as EP7. |
| Maybe we'll find out more in Umineko Rei. Because I don't think it's completely over yet. |
| It was supposed to be bittersweet, well it's wayyy more bitter than sweet. This said, the very ending is beautiful: |
| I heard there were two endings, magic or trick. I also heard that |
| Yup, there's 2 different ends. Trick Magic GarLogan78 said: I also heard that |
dioptaseJan 13, 2011 1:58 PM
dioptase said: But I still don't even know what I am talking about, I haven't played the game lol. |
| So I was browsing an Ougon thread on /jp/ and someone randomly wrote EP8 spoilers, fucking asshole. Is it true that |
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STM said: So I was browsing an Ougon thread on /jp/ and someone randomly wrote EP8 spoilers, fucking asshole. Is it true that I heard that |
| I'm not going to read that, 'cause I want to refrain from spoiling myself even more. Only thing I read when opening the spoiler for 1 second was Ryuuukiiishiiiii! Oh well, I'm looking forward to his next work. It's confirmed anyway, so maybe we'll get a When They Cry 5 at Comiket 81. |
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STM said: Oh well, I'm looking forward to his next work. It's confirmed anyway, so maybe we'll get a When They Cry 5 at Comiket 81. What exactly was confirmed? That he is going to release a new work at the next comiket? |
| Umineko Rei is confirmed and he also said he's working on his next "work". I assume that's When They Cry 5. I'll try to find the source. I found it yesterday, it was written on his blog. EDIT: I found it. http://07th-expansion.net/Cgi/clip/clip.cgi It says his head is itching cause of all the things he wants to write, like Umineko Rei and other new works. Ryukishi07 said: 『うみねこ』の「礼」も描きたいし、次の新しい作品も描きたいし。 |
Samu-tanJan 2, 2011 4:02 AM
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STM said: Umineko Rei is confirmed and he also said he's working on his next "work". I assume that's When They Cry 5. I'll try to find the source. I found it yesterday, it was written on his blog. Thanks for the info, I can't wait XD. I can't even imagine what he would do for a When They Cry 5 though. (I also doubt anyone would translate it. I am not sure if Witch Hunt would take the time to work on something that wasn't Umineko.) |
| I agree with that, after all witch hunt is about umineko and the amount of time used to translate R07 visual novels is way too much >.< Really, I need to learn japanese :< |
HanekomaJan 11, 2011 4:30 PM
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| I should just calm down.... writting when you're pissed off isn't good. |
dioptaseJan 3, 2011 1:01 PM
| So basically Rei is Umineko's last hope for a closure and a chance to fix what ever he fucked up in EP8? Meh i'm not crossing fingers i've pretty much lost alot of my faith with Ryukishi.. |
littlegal100 said: So basically Rei is Umineko's last hope for a closure and a chance to fix what ever he fucked up in EP8? Meh i'm not crossing fingers i've pretty much lost alot of my faith with Ryukishi.. I don't think Ryu will give us crystal clear answers. But I WANT TO BELIEVE. |
| I keep hearing people say on other forums "the answers are all there if you think yourself" or something like that. But I don't want to be left with my random theories. I want to know what happened and if I am right or wrong. |
GarLogan78 said: I keep hearing people say on other forums "the answers are all there if you think yourself" or something like that. But I don't want to be left with my random theories. I want to know what happened and if I am right or wrong. What he said. |
| Reading again EP8, slowly and in-depth; it's not really as bad as I initially felt... I'd say it's an "okay" episode, even if I would have loved to have more backstories infos and closure for several points. The whole Metaworld stuff with Ange (plus the fiction inside fiction) is a nice mindscrew. |
dioptase said: Reading again EP8, slowly and in-depth; it's not really as bad as I initially felt... I'd say it's an "okay" episode, even if I would have loved to have more backstories infos and closure for several points. The whole Metaworld stuff with Ange (plus the fiction inside fiction) is a nice mindscrew. I have heard the the episode has some really epic moments in it. So I am expecting an entertaining read, even if everything I want isn't there. |
GarLogan78 said: I have heard the the episode has some really epic moments in it. So I am expecting an entertaining read, even if everything I want isn't there. The magic battles were pretty awesome indeed. |
| And the end is quite depressing. |
| Holy god, all these spoilers... Well, I'll wait until the last moment, I want to believe. But Bern said in red that happy endings are not allowed, so what were we waiting? Uu, I just want a Battler/Beato or Battler/Yasu ending and I'll live happily ever after :( (it's the same thing I know x'DD but you know what I mean... Metaworld ending or Human ending :() I heard that there are 4 endings, not 2 o.o, anyway D: I'm just kinda drepressed .-. |
Laurine_Andersen said: I heard that there are 4 endings, not 2 o.o, anyway D: I'm just kinda drepressed .-. Nope, EP8 has 2 endings: "trick" or "magic". Only the “magic” ending leads to the tea parties. |
| EP8 contains 16 mini games, answering correctly unlocks extra scenes. For those who are too lazy to solve them, the answers are: |
dioptase said: And the end is quite depressing. |
| That's your opinion and I respect it, as for myself I found both endings really bittersweet, with a huge emphasis on bitter. Ange found her brother, crippled and half amnesiac. Everyone else died. There's the meta-world yeah, well except it's probably the most ambiguous thing left hanging in Umineko. Maybe it exist or maybe it's just Battler / Ange being delusionals ; after all insanity runs deeply in the Ushiromiya family. |
| Haha, very true, they're quite the lot of nutters aren't they? And I agree it was very much a bummer, what happened to Battler, and that no one else survived outside of the metaworld. I think bittersweet is the right word, but with a few pearls hidden here and there. The trick ending, though, seemed appropriate to take place on a boat, reminded me of School Days. No "Sweet" to it, lol. I don't think the delusion idea is probable, because of the events outside of the story, the Tea Party, TIPS, and ?????. Or maybe I'M delusional, because I am very happy for the link between reality and the books; it sheds a bit of light on the events in Hinamizawa, considering all the references to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni as a book or game within Umineko. There WERE a lot of questions left hanging, but that just means everyone gets to keep brainstorming until someone steals Ryukishi's notes and divulges their contents. EDIT: I often consult Plato's Theory of Forms to get my head around the metaworld, if that helps explain my position of tasting a little extra sweetness. |
InnactiveaccountApr 6, 2011 7:53 PM
| Agree with mattmax guy. It's not that Battler and Ange are insane, that's why it's called MAGIC ending, Ihihi~ If you choose that ending, ya have to accept Meta World as the real thing. |
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Shiyumi said: And Yasu is boy or girl, 'cause doujinshi Battler x Beato, well I fine with both, it's just curiuos. If I remember correctly at the end of EP7 there were some quite random quick flashes of random facts, one was that the baby that fell down from the cliff (that turned out to be Yasu/Sh/Kanon/Beato) got a serious injury at his/her reproductive organs. So after the fall s/he is now neither. Although I'm guessing she was a girl originally, or at least she considers herself a girl most of the time. (Remeber Yasu was first Shanon and Beato, and became Kanon later on. Not to mention the cousins noticed how Shanon was - how do I say this - well developed quite early.) Now... about Ange and Battler being delusional... If you consider their "delusions" only delusions, then the there is a problem. How come they had the same delusions? I'm not talking about the general ideas, characters of the meta world, Battler got them from Beato and Ange got them from Maria's diary. But how they interacted with each other in the Meta World? Or we should consider every meta part where Ange was present is only Ange's delusion? That could work, but Ange met Thoya/Auau in her "travels". How could she have knowledge about how she looks, speaks? It is a convoluted mess, that can only be waved away by saying that it was indeed magic. Which sort of makes Battler's initial struggles semi-pointless. And one other thing that I realized after reading the magic end. So Ange "awakens" on top of the skyscraper, right before she supposedly jumped. She then talks to the men in black, that she wants to talk to their boss, Okonogi. If she knew that she was being chased by the men of Okonogi, why did she visit him in her umm... "alternate path" in ep4? (As her meeting with Okonogi was after her successful jump, as you might remember.) Now that I think about it... yeah... every problem that I have with the series is related to Ange who lives in 1998. I hated her chapters in ep4, since at that time I thought they were just useless padding, that did not move the plot forward. (And it even felt weird, considering the fact that she seemed to come from the 1998 of ep3's kakera only, as Eva was dead in every other episodes at that time.) It was also weird for me when she returned in ep5 and ep6 after she was disintegrated in to a piece of bloody meat, because she broke the rules. Not to mention her interactions with the meta-meta-witch, that is Auau. Then when she was briefly out of the picture again in ep7 I felt that the series is back on track, we finally got some answers to what the meta-characters are, who was the Beato that Kinzo knew, what is the solution for the epitaph's riddle and who was most definitely a culprit. And then instead of filling some remaining plot-holes in and maybe giving some non-abstract answers for some of the closed-rooms of the first 4 episodes (I know that there were hints to how to solved them!), we return to Ange. =_=" |
| I've seriously considered not answering you... but here I am, yet again. Arguing on the Internet. My problem is not with the fact that magic exists in any speculative fiction, but how at first it did not really exist in Umineko. IMHO in the first few chapters it was shown that magic is something that does not interact with the real world. The fact that there is a meta-world did not bother me, it made the story awesome. But it was constantly shown, that from the meta-world could you could see several alternate "real" worlds (AKA kakeras or gameboards), but those worlds are always bound by the rules of physics. You can't walk through doors, you can't be in two different places in the same time and there are no godlike beings. Yes, there were scenes that served the purpose of either hiding some obvious facts from Battler (and the reader), or showing an allegory of what is really happening, but they could always be "explained away" as not real. This was the rule of the Game: No magic is real. If magic existed on the gameboard, then the mystery side could never win the Game. |
| I hope Higanbana is okay. The ending for this was just bad. |
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| Am I just totally blind? I didn't get to the whole battler x shannon double suicide in 8. Where in the game is it? |
ayapi said: Am I just totally blind? I didn't get to the whole battler x shannon double suicide in 8. Where in the game is it? If you mean the scene with the boat, then there it was Battler × "Beato", but yeah, the scene was shown after one chooses the magic end if I remember correctly. Beato falls/jumps in the sea while Battler was not looking, but he jumps after her. So it is sort of a double suicide attempt. After their apparent death, we have one of the credit rolls. |
| Honestly, I loved it all. I don't think you have to understand something to appreciate it. It's... humbling. Umineko is partially mystery and partially fantasy. To really appreciate it, you have to understand that there are some things you'll understand and some you won't. But isn't that the beauty of fantasy? It can't be explained. I took most of Umineko on a symbolic level. When Battler jumped into the water, it was simply a part of himself that he was shedding. Perhaps the events of Rokkenjima traumatized him so much that he created split identities? And drowning himself was symbolic of how he buried his true personality and created another to cope? This other personality was forced inside his psyche into his subconsciousness, or "oblivion," but fought to escape and retake its body. I could go on on that, but it makes the most sense to me... And even if I didn't have a theory, I'd be okay with it. Umineko gave me some great ideas for my own writing. |
| If you lived in your computer, you'd be home already. |
dioptase said: Where are you getting this? According to my reading |
 "I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila." |
AidanAK47 said: Where are you getting this? According to my reading Also, magic does not exist on the gameboard, but because of certain factors in the story, it's arguable if it exists outside of the gameboard. |
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