| I'm honestly kind of impressed by the fact that you managed to alienate 99% of your userbase in a single update. Astoundingly bad decision making here. |
| I will also need some time to appraise this, but for the time being, here is some feedback. (PC version.) 1: Please, add an automatic line break between the last line of the review and the rating. 2: I don't understand why the Like icon appears twice. Bonus: I don't see my original categorized scores (Story, Art, Music etc.) appended in my reviews. I personally agree they were basically pointless, but either way this was promised and not fulfilled: If you entered scores in the Story, Art,... sections on old reviews, these scores have been appended to the end of your review text. (They haven't.) The new tag system is not useful for older reviews... it's unlikely people will come back to each review they've read and think is deserving of tags. Still, it should be more significant in the long run, although it will depend on how lenient users are with the votes. Also, if the intent is to make things more informative, then I'd consider adding a "Personal" tag, since MAL itself says: The best reviews use pronouns (I, me, my, you) very rarely. So reviews that use a lot of those and don't substantiate much any of the arguments would be fit for that "Personal" tag, while the wording itself wouldn't imply much negativity or be toxic. This is obviously just a great contrivance to add a "dislike"/"disagree" button. But here is a better one: As for the addition of the three categories (Recommended, Mixed Feelings, and Not Recommended), this is probably the most positive aspect of the new system. It allows for all types of reviewers to be contemplated and it is more useful for readers as well. Show who has voted on a review 🔜 The main reason for showing the username list of review votes is to make botting easily visible to all members. Understandably, negative reactions more easily incite anger in the community, so this was the reason the updated list of feedback options do not contain noticeably negative responses. 🔖 Clicking the area which displays the total review votes will bring up a pop-up with the username list. Is it just me or is this not working at all? |
| Lol. All of them are just positive indicators. What if it's just a dogshit hate review (like more than half the reviews on every popular show these days) that's just been inflated on the top ? There should be at least one negative indicator or at least an unhelpful button that cancels out the helpful effect. |
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| Please consider some sort of negative feedback for reviews that push them out of the top. The current system just rewards posting first quick bad reviews. When the good ones get posted later they have no chance of climbing. |
| So being able to be more indepth with what you like in a review is nice but why not also be able to say what you didnt like (e.g. That review was informative but not well written) so the reviewee can recieve constructive criticism and improve his writting skill. So I would say even though the update could be amazing by FINALLY being able to say what you did and didnt like in a review we are left with just another fancier "Did you find this review helpful". I would really like to see more reacrions to be added with some being negative since that boosts the freedom of speech MAL wants to push as well as allows for some constructive criticism. |
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| I can appreciate the idea behind this update but it feels like it was rushed out way too fast 1. I don't think a dislike button is 100% necessary, but as it stands all people are going to do is use the silly little confused and laughing emotes as a replacement. People should have some way to express dissatisfaction with something, whether it be a review comments system or a dislike button. As long as the amount of dislikes doesn't affect it when being sorted it's fine. 2. Pretty petty issue, but it'd be nice if the new recommended system went red > yellow > green. Having "mixed feelings" be grey looks pretty bad and draws way less attention than the current red or blue. The red pops even more than a 1/10 now, and will just lead to more people upvoting harsh negative reviews. 3. Make it a top 4 again, otherwise put a recent reviews section below the most voted 4. Just an idea, but it'd be nice if there was a delay between when reviews are visible and when a show finishes airing. Give everyone a chance to upload a review without it being a race, then release them all say 12 hours after the show ends. 5. Let people hide certain reviewers, then maybe I won't have to see people cry about seeing rebelpanda on the top page 24/7 Most of that's just useless rambling, all I really want is better visibility for new reviews on older shows without some weird "suggested" sorting system. This website will be toxic no matter what changes happen |
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| wow im so glad they did this update! i wanted to look at a review of aot's first season and the entire story plot got spoiled because for some reason i have to go to the bottom of the review to see their score. WP MAL!~ |
Mr_Srijan said: Lol. All of them are just positive indicators. What if it's just a dogshit hate review (like more than half the reviews on every popular show these days) that's just been inflated on the top ? There should be at least one negative indicator or at least an unhelpful button that cancels out the helpful effect. danann said: Please consider some sort of negative feedback for reviews that push them out of the top. The current system just rewards posting first quick bad reviews. When the good ones get posted later they have no chance of climbing. Yes, we need negative button too. |
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| The new review system looks fucked up, than before. Y'all can't change every people's tastes bruh |
 “Once you've been loved once and have loved once, you cannot forget it.” ― Natsume Takashi |
Sheklon said: Show who has voted on a review 🔜 The main reason for showing the username list of review votes is to make botting easily visible to all members. Understandably, negative reactions more easily incite anger in the community, so this was the reason the updated list of feedback options do not contain noticeably negative responses. 🔖 Clicking the area which displays the total review votes will bring up a pop-up with the username list. Is it just me or is this not working at all? As explained in the announcement, this is an upcoming feature :) |
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| Suggestions - Change "Nice" back to "Helpful". Helpful and nice are really different and it's what was intended with all the votes in the past. In the future, I think most ppl want to give a helpful review the proper feedback - In addition to the report, how about a separate "flag" feature to flag specifically for misinformation. Misinformation in this case would be something factually incorrect, almost always due to an accident or oversight on the reviewer's part. A review mod can let the reviewer know and they should be able to edit it and possibly look at the anime again or its wikis to see if they were indeed wrong or made a mistake. If there are too many misinfo reports on one particular statement and nothings done, the review mod can remove that information from the review. |
| Personally I don't really think this changes much but it's hard to tell till some time passes. I don't think it fixes the main issue. Also I don't think the reviewer space is as big as it was in the past so I'm curious to see if older names pop up with opinions. You have a set number of users who are quick to post reviews and then they share those reviews with friends to give them that slight edge to be on the front page. Adding preliminary helped a little but not really. Then the issue is most don't care about the review, they were just looking to see if the score given matched their own. Randomizing the animes front page reviews as the default fixes that for the most part. You can have it searchable by top reviews if people want it but if every review written gets the same amount of time to be seen I think it makes things a little more fair and might encourage people to review older shows more often. Edit: should have read more clearly I notice you have something in the works for combating just showing top reviews under "Update which reviews display on the Anime/Manga details page" I'll be curious to see how that's implemented. |
DroebieAug 2, 2022 2:37 AM
| Glad to see MAL staff are working towards updating the site, even though I disagree with some of the changes. I just hope they are earnestly open to community feedback and will make alterations based on it. I'm not fond of reactions, they feel out of place here and are often misused particularly the "funny" reaction I often see used as a weapon to mock reviews people disagree (see Steam Reviews). Personally I think it's hard to beat the basic upvote & downvote system where both values are visible, it makes things transparent and is often a great indicator of quality at a glance. I do however, think it is a good change obscuring the rating value unless you open the review; This deters people from looking for a number and instead actually focusing on the content, it also makes it more difficult for people to attack highly positive or highly critical reviewers. I think the biggest focus should be on providing visibility for well written reviews that lack interaction due to visibility. Hopefully the changes made to this system will aid in this regard, and if not that you'll continue to work on it until a good system is in place. |
| So how do i determine if the review poster is a complete idiot or not if i don't see the score they give to a certain title? That's a little sad tbh. |
| As stated in other posts I fully agree with the changes. - The more you take away the "number" or "score" out of the review the better. Please, don't pay attention to the loud minority of Twitter/Discord reviewers who are upset about these changes. They don't care about actually reviewing in good faith, just the attention that gives them. Most of the complaints I've seen from them are that some of their reviews are not on top anymore. Garbage people, If they truly cared about making reviews they would be happier than people now have more tools to give feedback to them (Emoji expanded feedback seems great) - But do you want to know why they're upset? Because by hiding the number you take away the main emotional weapon of the review. It's obviously not the same to have a "Not recommended" than a "1" on top for them to open a trashing review for a seasonal show for example. The number takes part to an emotional level, this is why some people also take reviews they're against -very- personal and why people gloss over numbers to make decisions as well. A number carries more impact, it's more emotional, they know this and they use it to manipulate. By removing this feature or at least taking it out of the center, they are forced to actually make something people will read, which, of course they can't because they mostly write trash updooted by their twitter circle. While we still now retain some form of "scoring" inside the review, the number has been removed from the top, I believe that this will help in reducing the toxicity and backlash that reviewers receive from readers who disagree, if people don't see a number ( especially on top, like the first thing they see) they won't take it that personal. Others have pointed out that people will now be less interested in reading reviews, this is good however, as the people who actually care about READING a review will take the time to read it and not just gloss over to see if they agree with an arbitrary number. This is a step in the right direction, however I believe that a numerical number "scoring" in a review doesn't make much sense altogether, a (REC/MIXED/NO REC) system as the one we are heading now is more useful review-wise. |
S5_0014_81Aug 2, 2022 4:23 AM
Sotara said: If the review is made even though the reviewer hasn't seen all episodes yet (which is the case for all ongoing shows), then it says "preliminary" on the review (quite noticable as well).And if there is a review for ongoing series? Is there any criteria to distinguish reviews on aired show and ongoing? |
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| I'm not a fan of the whole "recommended", "mixed feelings" rating system... There's a difference between a show rated 10 and a show rated 7 by the writer. I want to see right away what they rated it, please bring this back at least. |
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Lexicoo said: Sotara said: If the review is made even though the reviewer hasn't seen all episodes yet (which is the case for all ongoing shows), then it says "preliminary" on the review (quite noticable as well).And if there is a review for ongoing series? Is there any criteria to distinguish reviews on aired show and ongoing? Oh, sorry! I don't notice it! Thanks! |
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Sotara said: Actually, nevermind, it's apparently not there anymore. You now only see it if you press "open" for some reason, or if you're in the review section, but not on the anime's main page, which I find quite stupid. You shouldn't have to open the review to see that it's preliminary. So yeah, my bad.Lexicoo said: If the review is made even though the reviewer hasn't seen all episodes yet (which is the case for all ongoing shows), then it says "preliminary" on the review (quite noticable as well). Oh, sorry! I don't notice it! Thanks! |
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Lexicoo said: Actually, nevermind, it's apparently not there anymore. You now only see it if you press "open" for some reason, or if you're in the review section, but not on the anime's main page, which I find quite stupid. You shouldn't have to open the review to see that it's preliminary. So yeah, my bad. Don't worry please! Yes, it is strange decision to only appear when you click Open button, I agree. Let's hope our wishes will be heard! |
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S5_0014_81 said: As stated in other posts I fully agree with the changes. - The more you take away the "number" or "score" out of the review the better. Please, don't pay attention to the loud minority of Twitter/Discord reviewers who are upset about these changes. They don't care about actually reviewing in good faith, just the attention that gives them. Most of the complaints I've seen from them are that some of their reviews are not on top anymore. Garbage people, If they truly cared about making reviews they would be happier than people now have more tools to give feedback to them (Emoji expanded feedback seems great) - But do you want to know why they're upset? Because by hiding the number you take away the main emotional weapon of the review. It's obviously not the same to have a "Not recommended" than a "1" on top for them to open a trashing review for a seasonal show for example. The number takes part to an emotional level, this is why some people also take reviews they're against -very- personal and why people gloss over numbers to make decisions as well. A number carries more impact, it's more emotional, they know this and they use it to manipulate. By removing this feature or at least taking it out of the center, they are forced to actually make something people will read, which, of course they can't because they mostly write trash updooted by their twitter circle. While we still now retain some form of "scoring" inside the review, the number has been removed from the top, I believe that this will help in reducing the toxicity and backlash that reviewers receive from readers who disagree, if people don't see a number ( especially on top, like the first thing they see) they won't take it that personal. Others have pointed out that people will now be less interested in reading reviews, this is good however, as the people who actually care about READING a review will take the time to read it and not just gloss over to see if they agree with an arbitrary number. This is a step in the right direction, however I believe that a numerical number "scoring" in a review doesn't make much sense altogether, a (REC/MIXED/NO REC) system as the one we are heading now is more useful review-wise. Actually you are the loud minority because by far most people just want the normal 1-10 rating that is used everywhere else on MAL. There is no reason to suddenly replace it with a completely different system in the reviews. I rate all anime with 1-10 so why shouldn't I use the same system in the reviews? It's good to have recommended/not recommended additionally to it but the score should be the most important element at the top of every review. |
| I can not stress enough how much I hate this change. MAL is not Facebook. I like MAL. I hate Facebook. I want "helpful" and "not helpful" I dont want ""nice"". Add a funny button like steam, change the sorting to have the top rated, the newest and rising. Maybe give me a review which actually fits the aggregated score from over 100k users instead of some wildly deviating one praising or hating it. I dont want to give the writer feedback I want to let everyone else know if the review fits the show or not. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| This is the dumbest thing you all have done since getting rid of the thumbs down. |
ateks said: Actually you are the loud minority because by far most people just want the normal 1-10 rating that is used everywhere else on MAL. There is no reason to suddenly replace it with a completely different system in the reviews. I rate all anime with 1-10 so why shouldn't I use the same system in the reviews? It's good to have recommended/not recommended additionally to it but the score should be the most important element at the top of every review. Wow, it's like you can't even read the posts you reply to. By the way, most people who agree won't show up to vouche their support, as it happens with everything, the people who are in disagreement will be the most loud ones but how many are there? 20-30? In a 100K website? And they happen to be the shitty twitter reviewers. Good update indeed. |
S5_0014_81 said: ateks said: Actually you are the loud minority because by far most people just want the normal 1-10 rating that is used everywhere else on MAL. There is no reason to suddenly replace it with a completely different system in the reviews. I rate all anime with 1-10 so why shouldn't I use the same system in the reviews? It's good to have recommended/not recommended additionally to it but the score should be the most important element at the top of every review. Wow, it's like you can't even read the posts you reply to. By the way, most people who agree won't show up to vouche their support, as it happens with everything, the people who are in disagreement will be the most loud ones but how many are there? 20-30? In a 100K website? And they happen to be the shitty twitter reviewers. Good update indeed. Yeah you wrote an entire book just to say that the rec/not rec system is better than the old scores and only a loud minority wants them back, which is factually wrong because almost everyone wants the old system back. |
| I already saw those changes yesterday but couldn't find any announcement, so I was really confused, but I guess I was just too early. Overall I think this is an interesting change. On the one hand I wasn't expecting to see an update here because I didn't really think the reviews were lacking anything that would warrant spending resources on updating them while other things are in greater need of updates. On the other hand I can see how it would make sense to update parts of the page and start with something that isn't as important as other parts. My general feelings about the change are mixed. I like the fresh design, it somehow looks way more modern than other parts of the page while still not sticking out too much. It does feel a bit weird in the entire page context, but with coming updates I'm guessing this will be standing out less. I also like the design of review writing page. I have to admit, I haven't written any reviews myself and I don't know how the box previously looked, but the new design looks clean. In contrast to other text boxes this really looks good. There are however a few things I'm not that big of a fan of. The most important thing for me is the fact that you are not able to see the score a user gave immediatly. From other users comments I got that not everyone is interested in the scores so I can see why they were put to the end of the review. I can also see that they don't necessarily reflect what a user wants to convey with their review. Having an explizit statement that is saying that a user recommends or doesn't recommend a show sounds like a good idea on paper. But not everyone thinks like this and personally I use the score as the most expressing meta on a review. So for me it would be better if it was visible in plain sight from the beginning. Furthermore, echoing what a few other people said, I'm really not a fan of the emojis. They feel really out of place on MAL in general, somehow they feel a bit like the "How do you do, fellow kids"-meme. Additionally, from what other users already mentioned, it should be clear by now that users have already found ways to express that they dislike certain reviews. I'm not going do dive into the discussion whether it needs a dislike button or not, but I'll say that if you only want to have positive feedback on reviews you might have to go over your selected feedback options. And finally, I'm not entirely sure how the reviews shown on the anime page are selected and why they were reduced to three instead of four, but I'm missing the filter options on the main page. Does the filter I set on the list of all reviews affect the views I see on the main page? Will we be able to filter those if thats not already the case? Or will the algorithm always decide which reviews are shown and only the full list allows filtering and sorting? |
| fucking garbage update but who cares anyways, keep making mal more and more trash. |
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| Apparently, in the 2022 the only thing you are allowed to do is either praise people or report them, what a world! |
| Not only was this a stupid idea but now you've got day old accounts and alts giving 1 star/not recommended "reviews" with bots upvoting them. What a shit show |
| the overall rating is just so at the bottom so bad |
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| Is there a way to give multiple reactions instead of being limited to 1 only? |
| You just made finding a serie you want to watch tedious, and also made it so i wont bother reading reviews, and i do not think i am the only one feeling like this. As removing the score does not change the fact that everyone rate shows diffrent and got diffrent view on a show, all you can hope is to find some that got similar taste and use their score as base if it worth watching or not for you. When checking a serie that had a synopsis i like, i check out the reviews and after some time you know some people that got similar taste like you have and you look at the score they give, if the score is middle or better you read the view or maybe just start watch it. But with so many anime series there plenty of series not reviewed by some you know so you check out those that rewiew and what score they give some shows you know and base on that you can form and idear if you got similar taste, and there for can use their review as a base for if it is a show you going to try or not. But now i need to look true every review and finding if those that wrote the review got similar taste very long and tedious as i have to read true their review on each serie and so on, if not some i already know, so you basicly made the review section useless for me with the new system, well done Beside is a very big diffrent between a 7 vs 9, 9 vs 10, 6 vs 8, and so on, new score system is useless. |
TharnokAug 2, 2022 9:20 AM
| So out of all the "genuine" updates that MAL has needed all this time, it's the "Instagram becoming TikTok" trend that forces the hand for everyone's liking. Honestly, what a garbage update just to incorporate social media trends into what is already a maligned system. Like, who wants to see "recommended", "mixed feelings" or "not recommended" while hiding the legit score (which has always been the first thing that people see), and while at it, add emojis because MAL must follow the social media trend like Discord, Steam and such. NO. Even if the review system is already shit at this point, I would rather be minimalistic to just have a score and the actual review content, this is more than enough for me. This is purely the adage of "don't fix what is already broken", and this fix ensures that all reviewers will have constant headaches from labelling the reviews as spoilers or to hiding the intended score just that bots will not be able to notice the change. MAL is like a corporate shill even now: the suggestions section mean NOTHING AT ALL, and updates "for the better" will turn the fanbase away from the site. Well done for making 1000% sure to disconnect the community more, one update at a time, dear admins and mods. Just pains me and others as reviewers to make a job that is easy, now hard for us. |
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| I honestly don't think this change was for worse, I mean, MAL was a laughingstock for ages because NO ONE knew how to use the score system even though it had instructions along with the score numbers so using emojis and ect instead of numbers on the reviews actually might be for the better. Yeah reviews can be just a hobbie but at the same time I'm sick of seeing people reviewing an anime describing it as a shitshow but giving it a score of 6. |
| The "Helpful" button has been misused as an "I agree" button for a long time which pushes awful reviews that are written with the sole intention of being inflammatory to the top, especially on popular anime. Moving away from that and adding a bit more nuance to the feedback you can give a review is a good idea. Once the issues have been worked out and things have settled down, I think this will be an improvement. I'm not a big fan of making the numerical score harder to see though. I can see why it would make it easier to understand what people think at a glance, which is nice, but in some cases it also oversimplifies an opinion. Although, as long as people are still able to add a numerical score somewhere that is visible, I think it is fine. However, even with all this, the intentionally contrarian reviews will still exist and will still be voted for by people who enjoy being negative, so my favorite thing about this update is actually that the review section takes up less space on the page. I have always thought that one of the biggest issues with this site was that on many popular anime, the review section that takes up a big percentage of the page is filled with poorly written nonsense that doesn't represent the average opinion on that anime at all, only representing a tiny but very loud minority of the community. Now that issue is less visible, which is great. |
| why has my Back When You Called Us Devils review disappeared from the page? it was 1 of the 2 reviews, and now there are none there. I can still see it on my review's list, but not on the manga page. |
Minearm said: It looks like "Preliminary" reviews (ones written either before a series has finished, or ones written of only a portion of the episodes/chapters) don't show up on the main page of finished series anymore. I agree with this change as I don't see the point in writing a review of a longer anime after only watching like 6 episodes. It is fine if someone doesn't like a show and then stops watching it after only watching a bit of it, but writing a review of it without seeing the whole thing is silly to me.why has my Back When You Called Us Devils review disappeared from the page? it was 1 of the 2 reviews, and now there are none there. I can still see it on my review's list, but not on the manga page. Anyway, with your review on that one manga specifically, it looks like you wrote it after the manga finished with all chapters listed, and yet it is still listed as "Preliminary". This seems like a mistake to me and I hope it will be addressed. |
NextUniverse said: The ability to intelligently use the dislike button has been proven to not work for the average MAL user on multiple different occasions. In 2015 (fuck if I know actually), MAL removed its "not helpful" button due to the a large magnitude of seething brigades full of anime fans who simply could not cope with the fact that someone dared to post an opposing opinion. On paper, and in practice, adding back this new ability to express an """""opinion""""" simply objectively doesn't work.  People are already confusing a confused button as a dislike button. Wait for the "ratio" on MAL to become a common occurrence. The fact it's already being used as such and will be branded the "negative" button for the review is just another reason they need to add a negative reaction. New people to the site will see reviews full of confusing reacts instead of negative ones that are much clearer with context given that confusing isn't necessarily bad |
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| I don't understand why the reviewer's rating was replaced by whether they recommend it or not |
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| Noooo, i want my numbers baack! |
You know, I'm also strongly against this update, but getting rid of attention-seeking frequent reviewers with a mean score of 3 is actually the only plus I see in it. Almost every review these people make is full of pretentiousness and negativity, and 90% of the things they complain about don't apply to the average viewer who, you know, just wants to enjoy anime. |
BaronBrixiusAug 2, 2022 1:46 PM
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| ok, so... Please consider improving mobile (android) app. |
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| I like this and the randomness it brings. The emojis are fucking dumb though. That is all. |
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| Nooo, now I won't be able to find hidden gems that have top reviews for 9-10 but overall lower score. It's a mess now. Not sure who is this appealing to. Eventually when you run out of anime, it requires one to get creative and now you single-handedly extinguished this choice. It would've been way better to implement search filter based on top reviews. |
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