There used to be a time when eren was hated ,being a whiney character by the majority, It was all Levi untill ch 100 of the manga when Eren flips his character completely into a character never seen before , especially as a surprise villian

_Mehraan_ said:
I've always loved his character be it season 1/2/3
if you have watched it carefully you can how he come in terms with the reality as the series goes on
in s1 being a suicidal bastard , charging straight with purely emotional drive
s2 hit him with betrayel you can see his face while saying "damn you traitors"
s3 was about politics and dark truth of the world inside the walls and that they have to fight humans from now on too
part 2 had same theme but the medal ceremony did change his personality he saw the glimpses of future and these were bec of his own will
he doubted his actions many times like the umi scene where everything was going happy and we saw scouts smiling for the last time and Eren was there saying "If we kill all of your enemies out there will we finally be free" foreshadowing Is rumbling the only way left?
s4 scouts infiltrated the outside world to look for peace but after knowing the way this world saw paradis is messed up they left them no room for peace
after this Eren knew what had to be done had to be done He cut off ties with scouts communicating through letters only and the last time they met was at the refugee camp
after that you know what happens Willy Tybur invited All leaders of all nations and declared war on Paradis , they left him with no choice but rumbling Eren pushed away his friends and became the monster that Paradis needed
later in the series you will know the reason behind everything and I'm sure it will change your perspective of how you look at each character

Philleotardo1954 said:

The reason he went on to cause genocide and the reason he’s a suicidal bastard only
Line up. They’re conveniently similar. Except the fact eren in season 1 thought he was fighting the system. Season 4 he becomes the system and eats a nation alive… how tf am I supposed to like eren more season 4? Aot fans are so jagged and make so little sense with any of there arguments it’s crazy

Sydsons said:
"never seen before"
he's an anti-hero like the many before him.
the entire story of AOT parallels code geass, with eren taking a similar path to lelouch. The difference is that lelouch is psychologically analysed by the people around him (especially C.C.) whilst erens is kept more vague by keeping a distance between him and the audience in the last 30 or so chapters.
The difference isn't the characters, it's the perspective that the writer places us in

Sydsons said:
"never seen before"
he's an anti-hero like the many before him.
the entire story of AOT parallels code geass, with eren taking a similar path to lelouch. The difference is that lelouch is psychologically analysed by the people around him (especially C.C.) whilst erens is kept more vague by keeping a distance between him and the audience in the last 30 or so chapters.
The difference isn't the characters, it's the perspective that the writer places us in

notsofamousxD said:

well lelouch wantes to establish peace in the whole world while eren doesn't even give a shit about anyone other than his friends, while lelouch kills himself eren is killing the world

Adampk said:
U wrote a entire paragraph in the heading, but I am still not sure what this discussion is exactly about.

I never per say liked eren in any season. Especially I hated s4 edgy version of eren since I hate personality flipping. I know most people loved edgy version of eren a lot. That is not some hidden fact, Almost everybody knows that (I even got some juvenile attack for hating him). In that end when he cried like a imbecile, most people who loved him indeed hated him and some started coping by making theory that he helplessly habitual evil since the beginning and other went with AOE weed . These things are also not some big revelation either.
So what is the point here?

Mack_Yeager said:


Lelouch had a killing intent from the beginning and it was shown right from the start ,but incase of Eren ,he was potrayed more as a guy who was learning to be a better person

But ch 100 had such a twist that it was hard to tell if it was eren or someone else entirely ,the better thing is eren has very conclusive reasoning as to why he raided liberio ,

But that's not the point ,the actual reason is he is showing signs of a protagonist never seen before ,tahts what i was hinting at (never seen before) unpredictable

khalil04uzumaki said:
Eren never was a whiney character
If you mean by this word that he's a crybaby then yeah he wasn't like that at all
He's by far the most real shounen protagonist (in case you'd consider AOT a shounen) who doesn't cry unless the situation was deserving to do so
His psychological development is the most loving thing about his character in which you can easily relate to without forcing yourself to accept it

Mack_Yeager said:

khalil04uzumaki said:

What about it ?
It shows how much of human he is even after rumbling the majority of the world , and yes he was pathetic but that's how anyone in his position would be when talking to his best friend about his love interest while literally no one is hearing/seeing that side of him so it's completely fine

Mack_Yeager said:


Probably explains why the hype went down ,and it's been over a year now and some part of the fandom still crave for an AOE, including me

Whenever the fans crave for an AOE it show that isayama failed in the end ,and his failure is obviously eren

_spoon_ said:
looooool people who have read the ending shaking there heads rn 😹

khalil04uzumaki said:

I wouldn't put it like that
It's true that Isayama himself said that he wished he could make it better, but that doesn't mean it's bad either
Let's not dig into Eren's character being ruined because this statement is objectively incorrect and depends on the reader/watcher's understanding of his psychological development and his whole character from the beginning of the show, which is vague at times and isn't obvious for everyone for sure, but let's not forget that the last 40 chapters and all of S4 isn't for everyone (especially those who like the old humans Vs titans theme) nor everyone can digest it the correct way, so it's fine as long as there's people who understood it right, the majority will accept/comprehend the true messages & conclusions sooner or later, and I'm sure the anime will make it more easy to take in part 3 anyway ..

And for the people who want aoe, their number is decreasing day by day and you should also forget it, not just because it's impossible especially after ep 12 of this part, but also because the main factor here which is the Japanese fans don't care or even know about those stupid theories nor they want it to be ..
It's just a cringe western mindset for thinking that it will make the ending better by any means , which is ridiculously wrong
Not to mention that the majority of anime onlys who read the last 9 chapters didn't find it as bad as salty manga readers were talking about it which, if it indicates anything, is the amount of illusion and exaggerations that the ending haters , lived in..

Mack_Yeager said:

Isayama is a fraud!

He had to follow the norm, because if he didn't the higher ups would have screwed his life ,he did it save himself.

Everyone knew if he had given a proper Ending (which he had the capability to do)
This man would have easily been more rich than any other mangaka ,more respected than any other mangaka in history,the most respected story teller in history


But he didn't and had to follow the basic shounen rules after chapter 135

khalil04uzumaki said:

Biased talking, no need to say more
+ Does killing his MC follows the shounen rules 😭?
I don't think he's the fraud here

Mack_Yeager said:


Nope killing the MC is not the main reason for the bad ending ,the main reason for the bad ending is eren's reasoning,his reasoning is so shouneny

Stupid reasoning is what made ch 139 a joke

khalil04uzumaki said:

If it's stupid in your eyes then I won't be surprised since it's coming from a yeagerist
But the surprise here is why do you have him in your profile picture if you think he's bad this much 😭

MironBiron said:
Evil Eren doesn’t work in the same way 139 Eren doesn’t work.

Both are extremely out-of-character, but people enjoyed the Evil one because at least he is cool.

Well guess what, you enjoyed Eren’s out-of-character behaviour without questioning the reasons for his rapidly inconsistent development.

Most people even made it a point that 107 – 123 Eren was very well written, hell, some wrote lengthy essays to praise him without noticing how badly written it actually was.

In an anti-nihilistic story that taught us to question everything we see, most people ignored every inconsistency and red flag while hopping on the Eren bandwagon.

AoT’s deliberately terrible ending is nothing but a punishment, and if we ever do get an alternative ending, AnRists are gonna feel the worst about it.

MironBiron said:
@Mack_Yeager

Eren Jaeger was not at all set up to end up in that way bro.

His words to Falco and Reiner in Chapters 97 and 100? Do you think those are the words of someone who’s gone evil?

We’re talking about a man who snapped out of his depression after hearing an anecdote from Keith about how his mother used to him when he was still a newborn.

People liked evil Eren way, way, way, way, way too much and Chapter 139 is the punishment to that attitude.

You’re not mad at Isayama. You’re mad at yourself for falling for Isayama’s trap.

MironBiron said:
@Mack_Yeager

Eren Jaeger was not at all set up to end up in that way bro.

His words to Falco and Reiner in Chapters 97 and 100? Do you think those are the words of someone who’s gone evil?

We’re talking about a man who snapped out of his depression after hearing an anecdote from Keith about how his mother used to him when he was still a newborn.

People liked evil Eren way, way, way, way, way too much and Chapter 139 is the punishment to that attitude.

You’re not mad at Isayama. You’re mad at yourself for falling for Isayama’s trap.

Mack_Yeager said:
but it is isayama's fault for treating us badly like that , which by definition is unsatisfying