Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion

RazielZero said:
Wtf... I mean I guess I can understand that much time has passed, but why did they not slow the speed down after Kirito and Asuna was stuck in there? In the first place they were only supposed to stay in there for a few mins (which meant 200 years for them), and yet they seemingly got out weeks or months later while Alice got an android body somehow. Also why can't they just look into how the Underworld is faring? All this technology and you can't like snapshot a moment of the world?
I guess the two girls were supposed to be just descendants of the other girls, and our couple is now worshipped or remembered as king and queen, but that doesn't really explain how one of them saw Eugeo. She shouldn't have had any memories of him unless this was reincarnation somehow (but then why didn't Eugeo reincarnate as well...).
Alice delivering herself was stupid but at least funny, although I don't see why she had to be naked (and still bringing clothes apparently). I felt like every moment in Kirito's house was spent to just build his harem once again.
Kayaba just keeps coming back, can't have a season without him. Also no more info of Copy-Kirito I guess, but we will probably get back to these two in the next arc.

I'm glad Alicization is finally over. Easily the worst arc for me, probably even worse in some ways than ALO. I'm sorry but the whole time I just couldn't feel any attachment to this world that felt like it didn't really have any actual consequence on the real world. Like yay we get new AIs to use as weapons. Also not sure why Alice was the only suitable when multiple others broke the taboo thing as well, but okay.
To me the series was based around actual games, that's what made me like them even if it was often stupid. I feel like the Underworld itself wasn't a bad concept, but the execution of it was just poor. So many mechanics not explained well (apparently partially thanks to bad adaptation), and by the second half they just threw random stuff there to make it seem cooler. Like the whole administrator part was at least somewhat interesting with her trying to leave this simulation, but then this time we had some random psychopaths (one of them being from LC, cause we need those as well, can't have enough), with basically no actual backstory other than "I hate the Japanese" and "I like to kill people". They both got super accounts which justified their powers, only to both be lost and them coming back with their regular accounts and yet somehow still retaining their powers, and actually being even better. Like why, how?
Sure we got cool fights here and there thanks to that, and it was nice to see the old gang coming back, but it all felt meaningless, especially the hundreds of American and Chinese players somehow connecting to this network that should be isolated from everywhere else, only to be used as fodder. Also we somehow skipped the risks the Japanese players took by coming here.

The whole arc could have also been much shorter if we didn't spend time in both Alicization halves with introducing integrity knights and later dark territory races only to show them fight a bit then move on to the next one. All pointless.
Also let's not forget the unncessary gore and rape scenes as per usual, but turned up even more cause we can't bring out emotions without those.
Kirito got some more power ups with incarnation I guess (never explained so thanks), beat everyone and that's it.
Oh also Eugeo's sacrifice and loss could have also been handled much better had he not appear like 5 times in the last few episodes to help Kirito. Make it once and make it impactful, quality over quantity, you know.

At least the music and animation was great most of the time, as usual, but other than that, it feels like a boring and pointless arc. I can't believe this whole arc was the same length as the previous arcs together. All we have seem to have gotten was an android Alice and some vague info on possible future events with Copy-Kirito. I'll give it a 4/10, same as Underworld part one, while the regular Alicization and Ordinal was at least a 6, and the first two seasons 8. That's how much I feel like the quality of the story has been dropping since the first seasons. I really hope Progressive will be fun again.

Jorg3gam-uwu said:
The red head girl saw eugeo since they became integrity knight and remembered they dont age

BreadAlien said:
Gosh that's a lot of skipping scene. Feel really rush, prolly cause they have to cramped it out into 11 episode. This whole series is a complete mess. Don't get me wrong I've been a fan of sao since 1st season, but this, this is just complete mess. 200 years=20 mins right? Then why the fuck did kirito and asuna looks like they sleep for fucking months? The last scene on episode 9 show that they able to log out right? Then why they still sleeping? Just didn't make sense whatsoever. What about kirito copy? Where is he? What happened to heathcliff and kirito copy after that? What the fuck?

RazielZero said:

Some people clarified though already that they are descendants of the two girls, that's why they have different names. I mentioned this as well in my post. That's why it's stupid that the red haired one would remember or hallucinate Eugeo since she shouldn't know him (even if they made paintings or statues of him for his service while Kirito stayed there for 200 years or something, that reaction doesn't fit). Unless the girl was reincarnated somehow, but then that just presents even more questions.

chriskor022 said:
they sleep months after log out in the simulation because of the memory of their self load of 200 years, that why the two of them had unconcious state. Because the enemy upping Fluclight x1000, its harmful to their brain, like happen to Gabriel. Kirito copy stole by Higa when you see he has the mini machine. Copy of Kirito is possibly to delve on last arc. Heathcliff too.

Shiniela said:
That package was a cute move from Alice. Such a shame it won't ship.

But... i'm not sure how i feel about the spaceships... and how did those 2 girls survive, it's been hundreds if not thousands of years in Underworld if Kirito&Asuna were stuck for a minimum 200, then in a coma? for some duration irl while Alice was alone in the world, and then the time they were awake again. Depending on the time dilation of course.

Well.. if there really is another season coming, if Alice is in it i'll likely give it a go.

Kabutiermon said:
Holy crap that was awful. It's like they took everything bad about SAO and magnified it by a hundred. 3/10, and making note to not take any of the top reviewers who give it more than a 5/10 seriously ever again.

FromTheIsland said:
This show is bad. It's so bad. Especially the edingng. It's jsut so bad.

SO WHY THE FUCK DO I KEEP WATCHING AND WANT ANOTHER SEASON!?!?!

fml.

Weeb_Isekai said:
I didn't know if Alicization was the last arc of SAO, but in this episode discussion I read about Moon Cradle and Unital Ring. The order was not consistent so which is first?

chriskor022 said:
because you are dumb. And have no life. Explain how it is bad?

FromTheIsland said:


Don't get me wrong, it's a technically well done show. The animation and sound design is great, the overall story arc is... fine. The problem is the writing. It doesn't stick to it's own rules and half the time when there is a problem or obstacle, they just randomly introduce a new plot point to smooth it over. Almost every success just comes across as a deus ex machina. It feels like they prioritised making a bunch of 'cool scenes' over an actual coherent story.

The whole show is like a like store bought cake where instead of adding quality ingredients they just pump the thing full of sugar, and yeah, you know it's not gonna be a quality cake in any way, but you're still gonna eat the damn thing because it's sugary as fuck. Even though I know this show is bad, once I accept that fact, and watch the show for what it is, an over the top edgy power fantasy, even if I'm face palming through half of it, I do kinda enjoy it.

tl;dr This show is trash and so am I.

Hiro4ka11 said:
i just hate the alicization concept.every character death i just can't feel the sad because they are ai.

ibraheem234 said:
that was so abrupt.... the season was good..but it was so much rushed in the end

JiangHaoyi1979 said:
So, basically Alice an AI android that feels love for Kirito , literally mailed herself to him, Kirito say's she's her hope That was kinda a 2 timing thing cu'z Asuna should be his hope since she did spend an additional 200 years in that STL thing , they were married in SAO, they're in a relationship, she should be Kirito's hope and not that AI android that doesn't have a pussy and won't grow old................TBFH, They're really pushing Asuna way back, thus IMAO, this ep was just too unfair to say the least.

So, Kirito wants to pursue a degree in Electrical Engineering and wants to continue working for the Oceanic Resource Exploration and Research Institute or Rath....in other words he like to continue being a slacker living in that make believe world called "Underworld"... but wait, shouldn't Kirito instead pursue a degree in Computer Engineering with specialization in software and AI design???? Ya know if I were Kirito's dad, I'd probably punch him in the face ask him to get outta the house and call him a "LOSER" for wanting to live in that virtual world called "Underworld" and as for Alice I'd probably hose her with water so that way she'll short circuit and that's the end of Alice

LeonLanford said:
Compared to the first SAO, this one is really bad..

1. People can go into underworld freely without the STL machine was not properly explained. Was STL machine only for normal human to withstand the 'time acceleration' thing?

2. At start Rath(and Lisbeth) said, people couldn't logout in underworld unless dying and dying means the account will be lost. But turned out people can be forced to logout just by turning up the time acceleration.

3. No system warning when the time acceleration got changed, they would never know unless Yui notified them. Who made this flawed system?

4. The PoH guy kept on shitting the underworld army and doing really questionable things openly but somehow people still believe on him. When some people began to realize PoH can brainwash them to do his bidding. I know there's power of imagination in Underworld, but the players were real human, how can you do that without Administrator power? 'Brainwashing', not controlling their bodies need to be implied.

5. When someone died in the virtual world, they will vanish instantly. But somehow the first knight guy's corpse just lingered around until Sinon came and she even conversed with Alice for minutes but the corpse was still there lol.

6. Eugeo keeps on appearing in underworld. He also appeared the red haired's descendant. Does this mean everyone has their own 'Eugeo' inside their hearts now? and he will keep on hunting the underworld lol.

The underworld system is really powerful, but somehow no one realized how powerful that system is. The system can be used to simulate how human live in short time.
Only some years passed but they are already doing some space battle.
Real human can just copy the tech the underworld made. There will be unlimited potentials in the story because of underworld, like virtual worlds inside of virtual worlds.
But I guess it's beyond the writer's imagination.

TehWhiteTiger said:
Oh boy was that hard to sit through.

I really had hope for this arc, it had such a cool premise and set up.

It had actual characters and a actually decently established power system. The sword arts were actually really cool.

Emphasis on 'were' as that was clearly forgotten in the second half as it turned into another ott nonsensical war where the power system is thrown out the window and everyone can do whatever they want now.

Oh what do you know the enemy is yet another laughing coffin member who gets off on killing, much depth.

I still can't take is seriously how all these angry Chinese people with level 1 accounts were able to hold all the main characters at sword point when they either have their OP game accounts or are logged into literal god accounts.. . Oh and how they kept acting as if there were stakes when there were none, oh wait they might lose their game accounts!!

I even read the light novels until half way through this one and just never got to finishing them. I had so much hope for this series but the second half was just abysmally bad.

I've always been one to try and defend the SAO series as being hated far too much. Sure it had glaring issues but its not as bad as everyone makes out. But when I see lazy writing just throw away any effort of consistency with their own worlds rules it kind of makes me realise they are probably right.

That said the finale did wrap up most of the loose ends fairly well at least.

But at least Kirito has a new member in his herem. If a sister wasn't kinky enough for you, now he has a robot.

chriskor022 said:
1.the program use in this simulation is the seed nexus. The players from outside are being freely to enter because the hacker is in control of the main facility in the simulation. Try watch war of underworld episode 2-4. They explain it but its confusing from a anime only.
2.that gang does not log out until they beat Gabriel and the RATH is in control of the simulation. Watch WoU episode 9-11.
3.the enemy is in control they accelarate it at max. Where do you get that Yui knew when Higa and Kikouka knew too because it has a warning that the simulation is compromised.
4.i think its visual presentation in the anime part but. If you watch the episode he just giving his speech and keep egging the foreign players that the JP players are bad guys.
5.i think its not problem.
6.its his memory in his blue rose sword. Thats why he keeps appearing. But its true he is in their hearts.
The space battle is tackle in the next volume of this series.