World Trigger Chapter 142 Discussion

Chung2 said:
That was a peculiar post. I do agree with the fact that Kido takes Osamu seriously. But IDK what the OP meant by saying "he grades Osamu as a potential threat"? From his first appearance he has done nothing but dismiss Osamu.

And I object that waistcoats are just cosplaying piece of clothing!!!!!!!! lol

Dues-aj said:
It will be the day Ninomiya trips over one of Osamu's wire.

p-kun said:


I think rival is a better term than threat. For example, Izumi and the rest treats Osamu as a noob and thus expect 10 from Osamu. When Osamu delivers 10 out of 10, they lavish praise. Ninomiya, on the other hand, treats Osamu as a rival captain, and thus expects 100 from Osamu. When Osamu delivers 10 out of 100, Ninomiya thinks Osamu is shit. So, on one hand, Ninomiya is expecting too much from Osamu, but on the other hand, Ninomiya is putting Osamu in the same strict standard he's putting himself, Tachikawa, Azuma, etc.

It's very similar to how Kitora dissed Osamu at the beginning because she feels threatened with potential rivalry from Osamu. IIRC, Kitora started being nicer/welcoming to Osamu during the invasion when she found out that Yuuma was the one performing the feats that Osamu got credited for. So, in a way, Osamu got downgraded from rival to kouhai in Kitora's eyes - from "someone she doesn't want to lose to," to "someone she wants respect from" because she found out that there's absolutely no way she would lose to Osamu. The day Ninomiya starts coddling Osamu like all Osamu other sempais do will either be the day Ninomiya downgrades his expectation of Osamu or the day Osamu measure up to Ninomiya/Tachikawa. The first one is definitely not a favorable growth direction.

p-kun said:


I would love to see that. The question is, will he fall on his butt or his face? Either way, I imagine his moe factor might increase instead.

Edit: one potential challenge with tripping Nino is IIRC Nino doesn't really run in battles. Also, rather than running into Osamu's trap, I think Nino will just outcamp Osamu.

Chung2 said:


Kitora once said something that extreme acts of kindness becomes burdening if they keep losing, especially to someone like "him". So I think she can understand Osamu a little.

p-kun said:
For fun speculations, what do you think will be the test to become A-ranked teams if not a match with current A-ranked teams? IIRC A-ranked teams are expected to be able to put down BT users, so perhaps the test will be to fight a BT user. Since Amou is the only one full-time BT user that Border has, it'll be a fight against him. It'll be so epic to see Amou vs. Chika. The battlefield will be leveled in no time.

p-kun said:
For fun speculations, what do you think will be the test to become A-ranked teams if not a match with current A-ranked teams? IIRC A-ranked teams are expected to be able to put down BT users, so perhaps the test will be to fight a BT user. Since Amou is the only one full-time BT user that Border has, it'll be a fight against him. It'll be so epic to see Amou vs. Chika. The battlefield will be leveled in no time.

LuzNight said:
By now I know it's hopeless but I want to adress two things.

1) A lot of people have been saying things like ''I agree that Kakizaki could hurt Yuma but not how it happened'' Or ''I don't care that Kaki shot Yuma, but I will if he is hurt.''

That a ridiculous attempt at feeling/seeming objective but the truth is that it makes no sense. You can't acknowledge someone and then deny they accomplish something. Suck it up and let it go or realise your being hypocritical and own your point of view.

2) To all those who complain that Yuma didn't do anything while Kakizaki talked: WTF and Seriously?!

I'm the first one to complain every time WT is not completly realistic because thats one of the things that makes WT special. But this a fucking manga! For starters it's not like he said a lot and if we played the 100% realistric game then no one word would EVER be spoken. You want it realistic then just pretend he said it all WHILE he was grabbing his arm and shooting him with no down time. For all we know thats exactly what happened actually.

p-kun said:
For fun speculations, what do you think will be the test to become A-ranked teams if not a match with current A-ranked teams? IIRC A-ranked teams are expected to be able to put down BT users, so perhaps the test will be to fight a BT user. Since Amou is the only one full-time BT user that Border has, it'll be a fight against him. It'll be so epic to see Amou vs. Chika. The battlefield will be leveled in no time.

icecreamsnow said:


Where are you getting that from p-kun? I'm probably wrong, but I thought there were two separate things. Being B-1 or B-2 giving the right to challenge the A rank teams to become A ranked, and the selection test for the away missions?

I can imagine the selection test being more about surveillance and escaping skills rather than combat prowess.

LuzNight said:


Yes, A-rank challenge and selection for away team ARE two different things.
Although, concerning the selection of away teams, we have no idea if a test of some sort will be used, I would expect to it to at least partly political. Even if they won every test I don't Kido would allow and all Tamakoma expedition.

Dues-aj said:

Hyuse and Yuma would easily pass any political neighbor interaction since
they've traveled the neighborhood before.

dat_le_tat said:

I doubt Hyuse will be combat agent. He is enemy, POW. More like he will be an operator.

p-kun said:
For fun speculations, what do you think will be the test to become A-ranked teams if not a match with current A-ranked teams? IIRC A-ranked teams are expected to be able to put down BT users, so perhaps the test will be to fight a BT user. Since Amou is the only one full-time BT user that Border has, it'll be a fight against him. It'll be so epic to see Amou vs. Chika. The battlefield will be leveled in no time.

Dues-aj said:

They already said they want him to be a combat agent. He has nothing to offer as an operator even if he has the parallel processing to do it.

dat_le_tat said:

Who want him to be a combat agent? If i remember, even Tamakoma allow anyone (Yuuma) become Border agent the main HQ like Kido is the one give the last decided.

dat_le_tat said:

Who want him to be a combat agent? If i remember, even Tamakoma allow anyone (Yuuma) become Border agent the main HQ like Kido is the one give the last decided.

Chung2 said:
Osamu and Jin implied it. Osamu asked Jin to join T2, so they can reach higher ranking fast and Jin indirectly pointed towards Hyuse.

Yes they have to sign up at HQ and transfer to branches. But even so, there's no way Hyuse is gonna be an operator. And don't forget Operators are as important as combatants.

dat_le_tat said:

I can't imagine Kido and his anti neigbor faction allow that happened and Tamakoma 2 can reach the A rank or not isn't their bussiness. Hyuse is Aftokrator, he want to rescue his master, and Aftokrator need a god or they will die. So there will be chance Hyuse will kidnap Chika to exchange his master and save his country as well, Tamakoma believe him but Kido and his faction not. It is too unsafe for a POW and elite enemy can hold the trigger. Operator is important but like i said, Tamakoma 2 can be A rank or not isn't Kido bussiness. As operator Hyuse can give infomation of Aftokrator he know like black trigger, maps and place of kidnap agent. Don't forger Usami is a Tamakoma 2 temp operator.

Chung2 said:

Jin advising Hyuse to join T2, means it's gonna happen anyway.

dat_le_tat said:

Doesn't mean he will be a combat agent. And his SE is effect by another people like Kido and Hyuse, so nothing can sure.
Kido can ignore Yuuma and his black trigger because Jin give his Fujin to HQ as exchange. Hyuse can give information but he still an elite soldier of Aftokrator who indirect kill 5 people and he admit it while Yuuma is son of Yugo.

Sedgewic said:
One thing that i don't understand. Chika would most likely not be on a away mission. She has so much trion that trion soldiers and defense systems would detect her like when a hole is open, Border system identifies.

When border goes away mission, they usually goes to non-combat purpose, so they avoid enemies. Unless bagworm hids her trion.

Uma_double12 said:


Don't worry, Chika is not going to the away mission. The big guns of Border will blacklist her from going to the away mission since like Hatohara, she can't shoot to kill people!!

Sedgewic said:
She can destroy builds and trion soldiers.

But still, it would be safer to leave her in border and send Osamu and Yuma (maybe Hyuse if its the case, but it's dangerous from a point of view)

Botato said:
Well, Hatohara has 1 in Attak meanwhile Chika has 2. They at least think she'd be useful for something I guess.

Caeless said:
I don't think there's any basis for saying that Chika wouldn't be able to go on an away mission. Just because her trion level is so high? That doesn't really seem like a good reason. And if they don't let Chika go, you're more likely to push T-2 into going rogue and traveling to the neighbourhood on their own, outside of regulations.

Chung2 said:
I agree there is no basis for saying Chika wouldn't be able to go on an away mission just because she has high trion. Nothing of that sort has been stated or implied in the series yet.

But as a counter, I'd say it's unlikely they'll let her go because she's not a very capable combatant because of her psychological weaknesses.

Botato said:
The real issue will be sending Chika with Hyuse on board.

She might sit the first away mission out. After all, the only reason they (rather Osamu) are in a rush is to get Replica back.

Caeless said:


I think with Jin's side effect, it's sort of a non-issue regarding Hyuse capturing Chika.

I think they are mostly in a rush not just because of Replica, but because they have no idea how long Yuma will live in his current trion body state. Hyuse is also in a rush to save his master.

Caeless said:


I think with Jin's side effect, it's sort of a non-issue regarding Hyuse capturing Chika.

I think they are mostly in a rush not just because of Replica, but because they have no idea how long Yuma will live in his current trion body state. Hyuse is also in a rush to save his master.

Botato said:
I just assumed since Jin said there's no need to rush then Yuma should be fine. Osamu is in a rush because that's just the kind of person he is.
Hyuse might not even be thinking of kidnapping Chika, but Border executives may have a problem anyway. The reason I say she might sit out is because currently her biggest concern is how to be useful for the team, that and the away missions will be focusing on picking a fight with Aftokrator. If they go back to scouting missions then she'll be able to look for her brother. Basically what I'm trying to say is going to Aftokrator might not be her goal atm so she would be okay with staying behind if she was ordered to.

Botato said:
Just to clarify, I'm not saying she's useless (she was already useful in every battle other than round 4). Nor am I saying her weakness will be what prevents her from going (it might be, but we don't know that for sure).
I'm just saying that based on her interactions with the others, it seems like she cares more about improving herself than getting to the neighborhood ASAP. With that in mind, if the executives were to tell her she can't go if Hyuse is on board, then I think she'll just comply. So long as she can help them move up and get selected, she'll be satisfied I guess, but once the Aftokrator matter is finished and she can try to look for her brother she'll want to go for sure.