World Trigger Chapter 129 Discussion

Dues-aj said:
This is the first time we are seeing a neighbor with a side effect.

derpKun said:
well, yuma has a side effect though it was originally his dad's, but still.
that's a lot of fights...and still no rank wars sneak peak. i wonder how ashihara-sensei will insert the rank wars or will he give us a sneak peak of it during this arc.
thanks for the trans.

Dues-aj said:

I think the Rank Wars is still a few minutes off from starting.

p-kun said:
At the same time, it's a waste of Yomi's massive trion though. I think shooter type triggers (including Hyuse's trigger) would be awesome with a user with great parallel processing. Also, his eyes are weird. Black tear ducts?

I notice that Tsuji's left group is basically all males. Aw, they are being considerate of him... or more like they are being careful not to turn him into dead weight. LOL

p-kun said:
At the same time, it's a waste of Yomi's massive trion though. I think shooter type triggers (including Hyuse's trigger) would be awesome with a user with great parallel processing. Also, his eyes are weird. Black tear ducts?

LuzNight said:
Futaba is kind of cool but she's also a real bitch. How dare she treat my girl Kitora like that. Like Kitora could possibly be anything but useful?! How can she be this condescending?!? For starters, Kitora is her elder, a fellow A-rank AND the ace of a team that is actually ranked HIGHER than Kako squad. Kitora is far from a "nice" person herself but she would NEVER behave that way with a fellow A-rank. I don't want to be rooting for the enemy but I'm glad she got slapped down so quickly but Yomi. Serves her right because so far (I know we haven't seen much) she's just one trick pony. She can sit back and Kitora will show her how it's done.

All ranting aside, I do hope we get some kind of explanation/back story to justify that attitude. I could understand the cold shoulder she gave Kitora in the earlier chapter because I can see how they could feel in competition with one another. But "Don't drag me down" is just rude and out of line.

I didn't think much of Kako's complaining and open criticism of Ninomiya because that have a history and she seems like someone who doesn't take it too seriously. But maybe that attitude of hers is what influence Kuroe to act like that and that is NOT okay. Because of her age and position, Kako should be an influence of cooperation and positivism. Then again the super team of Azuma, Nino, Kako and Miwa is the only team we know of (so far) who completely split apart. Judging on their stong personalities, maybe it wasn't a completely amicable split...

Ero-sommelier said:

And how did you react when Kitora acted the same way for 50 chapters?

LuzNight said:


It's not the same at all. She is acting like that with Mikumo who is actually very likely to drag her down since he is AT BEST middle B-rank. Like I said she would never act like that with a fellow A-rank (or even anyone older than her I think). Futaba has no reason to say that to Kitora who again his part of a team ranked higher and is older than her.

It just seems very petty and childish. People talk a lot about Kitora being a prodigy and all and Futaba probably feels jealous because she is also very young and A-rank but people talk less about her.

Ero-sommelier said:


So your point is that you can be an ass as long as the one on the receiving end is supposedly less skilled than you? And you have no excuses for the other shit Kitora has done to Mikumo so far. Unless you're using the same argument? "Because I'm superior to you I can treat you like shit". Also, if you want to compare, use solo ranks, otherwise I could argue that Yuiga could do the same thing to your precious Kitora. Wonder how you would react to that. And "Futaba = real bitch", biased much? Then again, it was my mistake to expect any objectivity, you're all for Kitora so everything she does is good and justified in your eyes.

Dues-aj said:
I just assume Kuroe dislikes Kitora because of her "better than you" demeanor.

ichii_1 said:
The high speed slash from Futaba was cool, Yuma should learn that.

The border side effects are making the real difference, without either Jin or Amou, Galou would have a way easier time.

ichii_1 said:
The high speed slash from Futaba was cool, Yuma should learn that.

The border side effects are making the real difference, without either Jin or Amou, Galou would have a way easier time.

Dues-aj said:
I just assume Kuroe dislikes Kitora because of her "better than you" demeanor.

p-kun said:


There's fan theory running that Kuroe hates Kitora and only Kitora because she rejected Kako to be with Arashiyama's team (to replace Karasuma, who used to be there - again fan theory) or that she moved from Kako's team to Arashiyama's team. Kitora seems to be the type that Kako likes, a K-er, short, talented. It won't be weird if she was scouted / was a team member.

LuzNight said:
If she just turned Kako down it seems like a bit of overreaction on Futaba's side

LuzNight said:


First of all, I will have you know I can like a character AND be completely objective at the same time.

My argument is obviously not that you CAN treat people like shit if you are superior, my argument is that if you ARE superior and you tell a considerably weaker person "Don't drag me down" than it is justified and thus NOT treating people like shit. We are in a war context here so dragging down a strong agent is a legitimate concern because in theory lives can saved in a matter of seconds or not if the agent is dragged down. No double standards here, just logic and objectivity.

As for your comparison with Yuiga that's laughable. You accuse me of not being objectives and you throw an argument that hangs on a technicality. Everybody knows the circumstances of Yuiga's rank and even his teammate will gladly tell you he is undeserving of it,which far from the case with Kitora. But to use your argument in a proper way: Yes it would be okay-ish for Miwa or even Midorikawa to tell her something like that. However I do maintain that Kitora wouldn't act like with ANY A-rank (as proved by how she gracefully responds to Futaba).

Finally, I would GLADLY compare them on solo points because I do agree they would be more appropriate. But guess what? If I didn't its because we don't have them. And even if we did, I don't really know how useful they could be for 2 reasons. 1: Kitora is an all-rounder and Futaba an attacker. 2: It is canon that Arashiyama squad have less time for rank wars and evrything than any other A-rank squad because of their public related jobs.

I don't throw mindless temper tantrums when my favorite characters are disrespected, thank you very much. I make pointed, objective observations. So if you still have questions about my argumentation than by all means go ahead and post them.

Ero-sommelier said:

"Futaba is kind of cool but she's also a real bitch. How dare she treat my girl Kitora like that. Like Kitora could possibly be anything but useful?! How can she be this condescending?!?"
"I don't want to be rooting for the enemy but I'm glad she got slapped down so quickly but Yomi. Serves her right because so far (I know we haven't seen much) she's just one trick pony. She can sit back and Kitora will show her how it's done."

Yeah that's not a mindless temper tantrum.

And as I said, I'm not only talking about that time of the neighbour invasion, in which btw Mikumo didn't drag her down at all. I'm talking about Kitora's overall attitude which comes out in most of her appearances. Chapters 6, 7, 34, 37, some bits of chapters 90 and 92, and I could even add how she acted towards Izumi after Arashiyama unit beat him and Miwa. Of course, that wasn't "Don't drag me down"-level, I'll grant you, but that proves that she doesn't mind getting cheeky with other A-ranks. All this was done in a context that wasn't in the midst of battle, yet she acts that way.

But let's address the "don't drag me down" issue. Your position when someone says that is: "if they're stronger, that's TOTALLY JUSTIFIED", and "if they're of same level, the one who says it is a REAL BITCH", despite, as you said, the fact that it is a legitimate concern. You call that being objective?

Yes Kuroe got arrogant, yes she pretty much had that Yomi's counter coming to her. Even then I wouldn't call her a bitch and make stuff up about her being jealous of Kitora, of whom we already have seen a lot of arrogance and jealousy. If anything it's more likely that Kitora hurt Kuroe somehow, even if she didn't mean it, but until further information i'll hold off on suppositions. Anyway, If you called Kuroe a bitch for that much, Kitora could have been called a bitch too quite a few times already.

As for Yuiga, you're right, but that was my point: don't use ranks to justify some borderline behavior. If anything, use individual prowess, though that won't make everything fine and justified.

LuzNight said:


Hahaha thanks for making me read those chapters again, the first ones are hilarious. But as I thought I didn't forget anything. I think you misunderstand why I called Futaba a bitch. Being jealous or competitive or not liking someone doesn't make you a bitch. Not wanting to play nice doesn't make you a bitch either. It's in how you deal with it. Kitora (who is all those things above) chooses to deal with it by using rules, facts and statistics to "express" her dislike toward Mikumo. You could say she hides behind those tools but the fact remains that she says is either completely true or justified by facts. Futaba is a bitch because she doesn't have the decency to do that. She just blurts out mean and baseless things. In what world would Kitora be a hindrance?! Kitora doesn't do that. The proof is even in the chapters you named. Kitora suspected Mikumo of lying or hiding something about how took out the Marmod since chapter 7 but she NEVER said anything until she saw Kuga at the entrance exam and had the proof she was looking for. Accusing him of lying without proof would have been disrespectful and Kitora is a lot of thing but not disrespectful and THAT is the difference between her and Futaba. No matter how hard ass or law abiding or pretentious or annoying or whatever she is, Kitora isn't disrespectful. I won't deny she flirts with a thin line but she never crosses it and that's why I like her. Now that I've explained my point of you I hope you finally understand or at least you will be able to look at my arguments with a new light as I explain them to you again because you've given the same counter-arguments -__-

Your point about Yuiga isn't one. I never said that rank justified behavior. I said rank infer skill (which in Yuiga's case, isn't the case so that is an OBVIOUS EXCEPTION). I didn't say either that skill justified behavior but since SKILL was implied in Futaba's comment it is relevant here. As it was when Kitora said it to Osamu. It is isn't okay in that case so much because Kitora is stronger but rather because Osamu is weak. It is clear he couldn't have taken on a rabbit and that's why she ordered him away. Justified.

As for my initial comment. YES it is a temper tantrum. It was the POINT because it is a silly and funny subject. I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was saying it wasn't MINDLESS. I have arguments and logic behind my accusation no matter how flamboyant they are.

JCNSilva said:
Assuming that the anime should end at episode 100 and the principal goal of Tamakoma-2 in it is to get to A-rank. Don't you think Tamakoma-2 *must* be A-rank at the end of this arc? This way the anime won't end with a filler end.
Knowing the meticulous planning done by Ashihara-sensei and assuming that Tamakoma-2 will not be able to get to A-rank solely by means of Rank Wars, I think something big will happen at the end of this arc, like Tamakoma-2 defeating or stopping the invaders someway that I can't even imagine and getting reward points.

Ero-sommelier said:

Belittling someone and taking pleasure in it is being respectful to you? Jumping on every occasion to put someone down just because she can, especially on someone who cooperates and accepts the blame for his mistakes, that's pretty much harassment, driven by a superiority complex. Was that the part you found hilarious? I'll agree that she doesn't go out of her way to do that, it's not like she goes "out of my way, you measly B-rank" when coming across one in a corridor, but she doesn't miss one chance to be arrogant.

Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that you go from "totally justified" to "real bitch" with the only reason being a decent difference of skill. You don't have any middle ground here. So either you're a manichean kind of guy, or there is another reason why you have such a big gap between the 2. Hence bias.

I'll even answer your "in what world would Kitora be a hindrance?". First of all, all your reasoning stands on a couple of pages with no background whatsoever. Did you even consider that in the past Kitora, when she was weaker, might have screwed up at some point and that had repercussions on Kuroe? That would explain why's Kuroe's cold, why Kitora tries to mend things up, why she has so much of a superiority complex now that she's not weak anymore, and why Kuroe asks her not to drag her down this time. In that world, which is far from unlikely, Kitora could be a hindrance. In fact, given what Tokieda has said, it's likely she was as much of a hindrance as Mikumo before. But no, you make a definite statement on Kuroe, based on what, 6 words from her? and claim she's a real bitch, which in no world is a small insult.

LuzNight said:
Hahaha is that a trion cane in Koskero's hand? Loll I guess that's how he is going to deal with his missing leg. Not very badass but I guess it will do. His jelly thing looks pretty cool though! I wonder if the jelly can stop Miwa's lead bullets? Koskero still looks pretty calm, too calm. That fight isn't messy enough so I think that this is where Hyuse, Yotaro and Jin will pop up. That will bring chaos for sure! Plus it would make some sense too. Because of his rank, Koskero could make some decisions (kill or not to kill or whatever) concerning Hyuse on his own. Also, we all know how Miwa feels about neighbour so that could be some oil on the fire of that potential situation!! Can't wait to see what happens next :)

Dues-aj said:

I think Hyuse is going to encounter Reghi since he hasn't been paired up with anyone yet.

p-kun said:


There's fan theory running that Kuroe hates Kitora and only Kitora because she rejected Kako to be with Arashiyama's team (to replace Karasuma, who used to be there - again fan theory) or that she moved from Kako's team to Arashiyama's team. Kitora seems to be the type that Kako likes, a K-er, short, talented. It won't be weird if she was scouted / was a team member.

dat_le_tat said:
Kako bullets in form of bubble, huh? I guess she do anything to piss off Nino.

deadmanwalking13 said:



Maybe that's why they're always clashing? Kako is just minding her own business, all bubbly and whatnot. Then along comes Ninomiya with his edgy attitude/sharp looks, he pops all the happy thoughts.

JCNSilva said:
Assuming that the anime should end at episode 100 and the principal goal of Tamakoma-2 in it is to get to A-rank. Don't you think Tamakoma-2 *must* be A-rank at the end of this arc? This way the anime won't end with a filler end.
Knowing the meticulous planning done by Ashihara-sensei and assuming that Tamakoma-2 will not be able to get to A-rank solely by means of Rank Wars, I think something big will happen at the end of this arc, like Tamakoma-2 defeating or stopping the invaders someway that I can't even imagine and getting reward points.

LuzNight said:


Even if (and that is a big IF) they somehow ended up with reward points, wouldn't change anything. Reward points are solo points, not team points. The most points awarded last time was 1500 points. Yuma has around 5000 points right now so even with a bonus 1500 he wouldn't be over the 8000 points (roughly the amount of A-rank skill). Osamu and Chika have even less points than that. And even if by some miracle they did end up with over 8000 points, it still means nothing. Ninomiya squad all have over 8000 points and they are still B-rank.

You need to go through rank wars, its the only way.

LuzNight said:


Even if (and that is a big IF) they somehow ended up with reward points, wouldn't change anything. Reward points are solo points, not team points. The most points awarded last time was 1500 points. Yuma has around 5000 points right now so even with a bonus 1500 he wouldn't be over the 8000 points (roughly the amount of A-rank skill). Osamu and Chika have even less points than that. And even if by some miracle they did end up with over 8000 points, it still means nothing. Ninomiya squad all have over 8000 points and they are still B-rank.

You need to go through rank wars, its the only way.

OneCommentary said:
Good chapter. Thanks p-kun.



I think than there is two different things. One thing are solo points, and other thing are the level of the teams.
Normally the strongest teams have the strongest members, but not always because the chemical between the members and their tactic levels is as important as their solo points.
So, I think than T-2 have a good opportunity if they work in their job team and Osamu becomes a good tactician (He is well considered by Kazama). And this is the reason because Minomiya Unit are B - rank team, although this team have very good members (Minomiya is number 2 in overall list) they are not effective enough.

In other way, Yuma's solo points don't describe his real skill. Maybe he has only 5k points, but he can defeat well 9k points members (like Midorikawa) and he can't defeat Murakami (12k). So I think than his real valoration is 10k or 11k points (And he is a rookie with Border triggers)


Sorry for my english