Zazie122 said: Maybe so, but they can be trained. arsonal said: Forum posts are not a singular determinant of activity. It can certainly contribute to the selection process, but we have other ways of tracking activity as well. While that's fair, several of the requirements involve forum activity, such as helping out in the database forums. There's also an emphasis on teamwork and the like, and I fail to see how you can gauge someone's personality if they don't use the forums at all. Interacting with users is a big part of being a moderator (even a DB mod), so I don't understand why someone who doesn't interact with the majority of users would get the job. That's just my viewpoint though. As you said, with 0 posts it's hard to understand a persons personality and to see whether or not if they're suited for the spot. Generally speaking, all positions, when applying, take into account ALL your posts that you've made on the Forum. A good example of what they'd look for is how you respond in threads and to people. Now, someone with no posts won't show this obviously, but that wasn't everything that was taken into account for this test, I assume. If it's similar like the Forum Mod one, you'd give a brief motivational summary as to why you want to join, and your tests score would also get taken into account... So, this person prob had a good paragraph + test scores. |
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Zazie122 said: Xenocrisi said: I guess you had enough knowledge to become an Anime DB Moderator, but perhaps there were people who has done the application better(?) And well yeah, I'm surprised that you didn't become a Anime DB Moderator. I'm not even mad that it's not me, honestly. Only slightly annoyed. I'd just like some sort of indication as to why I wasn't chosen. That's all. And maybe some reasons why the staff that they did pick were chosen, so I know that thought actually went into this and it wasn't all bias. Why don't you ask it yourself to Kineta (if she remembers who you are). |
Xenocrisi said: Why don't you ask it yourself to Kineta (if she remembers who you are). Because I don't really know if it's rude or not lol. Plus it's not like, a super big deal or anything -- I'd like to know why I wasn't chosen, but in the end, I can just apply again in the future. I was more confused at the decision than anything else, really. |
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Zazie122 said: Xenocrisi said: Why don't you ask it yourself to Kineta (if she remembers who you are). Because I don't really know if it's rude or not lol. Plus it's not like, a super big deal or anything -- I'd like to know why I wasn't chosen, but in the end, I can just apply again in the future. I was more confused at the decision than anything else, really. I think she just forget to include the corrected version of the application that includes all the feedback in the PMs she sent out so if you remind her nicely that you didn't get your results I'm sure it wouldn't be considered rude. |
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Zazie122 said: You also gave a mod position to someone on semi-hiatus, even though a requirement was being active --or at least I thought as much. I'm guessing you're talking about me. xD Well I added that status when school started (5 months ago) since it was really hectic at that point but currently I'm completely active. Why I left it there? I just never really bothered with taking it down~ |
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Jicetus said: I'm guessing you're talking about me. xD Well I added that status when school started (5 months ago) since it was really hectic at that point but currently I'm completely active. Why I left it there? I just never really bothered with taking it down~ Whoops, my bad lol. I'm not that familiar with you so I thought you were still semi-hiatus >_>. Wasn't trying to be nasty or anything btw. It's nothing against you at all haha. |
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Xenocrisi said: Of course I remember who the applicants are, sheesh. What do you take me for. (Actually my memory is kind of scary...)Why don't you ask it yourself to Kineta (if she remembers who you are). Zazie122 said: I don't really understand your logic here. PMing me would be rude, but saying some chosen users shouldn't be moderators in the thread is not? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something.Because I don't really know if it's rude or not lol. Plus it's not like, a super big deal or anything -- I'd like to know why I wasn't chosen, but in the end, I can just apply again in the future. I was more confused at the decision than anything else, really. When we choose database moderators, we look at a variety of factors, including: - site activity (note that site activity is not always reflected in forum posts); - previous contributions to the database (also part of the above point); - understanding of the database guidelines (as a gauge of how much we'll need to train them); - effort put into the application (there are some questions in the app which indicate how far you'll go to find information); - personal skills, estimated by how the applicant treats other users on the site, has interacted with moderators, and any other indicators as given in their motivation message. My messages might sound a little stock-PMish sometimes; I send them to so many users I can't write each and every PM from scratch. But I only include portions of the PM which apply to that individual, and the words written in them are sincere. If you don't understand something in the message I've sent you or you'd like more information, you are always welcome to reply back to me. The staff and myself are not going to give individual applicant results or reasons for being accepted/denied in a thread like this. We never have. |
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Kineta said: I don't really understand your logic here. PMing me would be rude, but saying some chosen users shouldn't be moderators in the thread is not? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something. I'm not saying they shouldn't be. I'm questioning why they were when there's no indication of what they're like. I just want an explanation as to the reasoning behind it, is all. But if I went up to you and said "HEY WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK ME?" that'd be rude. When we choose database moderators, we look at a variety of factors, including: - site activity (note that site activity is not always reflected in forum posts); True, but it contradicts this slightly, in my opinion: - personal skills, estimated by how the applicant treats other users on the site, has interacted with moderators, and any other indicators as given in their motivation message. How do you know what their personal skills are like if your only interactions with them are through the application process? I'd personally say that if someone doesn't use the forums, they seldom interact with mods and you have no idea how they'll treat other users. - previous contributions to the database (also part of the above point); - understanding of the database guidelines (as a gauge of how much we'll need to train them); These are only things you can get through applications really, sure. But with database contributions, do you look at what they've posted in the database forum? Because a lot of contributions posted there end up being ignored and since they're not implemented they could go undetected by the staff who select the applicants. My messages might sound a little stock-PMish sometimes; I send them to so many users I can't write each and every PM from scratch. But I only include portions of the PM which apply to that individual, and the words written in them are sincere. That's fair. I didn't think it was a rude PM or anything, I would have just liked a bit more indication as to how I could've improved my application and such. If you don't understand something in the message I've sent you or you'd like more information, you are always welcome to reply back to me. The staff and myself are not going to give individual applicant results or reasons for being accepted/denied in a thread like this. We never have. I personally feel like if you did, people would trust your decisions more. Not even going into specifics or anything, either. Just something generic like "showed good ___ skills and seems promising in ___", maybe. This is just how I feel though. I'm not against anything, I'm just confused by the decision making process. But I'll keep applying whenever mod applications are open (and I think they should be held more than every 2 years given all the new things MAL keeps implementing) until you hire me. |
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Psajdak said: Just to note: you did not complete an application and send it in during the recruitment process. You sent a message to KinaBot. These are the results from the recruitment thread. KinaBot is for open applications outside regular recruitments.Sorry, but I can't help feeling sad and betrayed not being chosen as well, even second time I applied... Zazie122 said: That's not true. Many users interact with moderators on a regular basis through their submissions to the site, reports, and private messages. Not everyone wants to interact via the forum.How do you know what their personal skills are like if your only interactions with them are through the application process? I'd personally say that if someone doesn't use the forums, they seldom interact with mods and you have no idea how they'll treat other users. Zazie122 said: We're well-versed with the users who post modifications regularly in the forum thread. This is only one small aspect of contributing to the databases, though.But with database contributions, do you look at what they've posted in the database forum? Because a lot of contributions posted there end up being ignored and since they're not implemented they could go undetected by the staff who select the applicants. Zazie122 said: Then the discussion becomes "how did X show good ____ skills?" or "how is Y promising in ___?" If we choose the users as mods, we think they have some good skills and are promising. Isn't this to be expected?Kineta said: I personally feel like if you did, people would trust your decisions more. Not even going into specifics or anything, either. Just something generic like "showed good ___ skills and seems promising in ___", maybe.The staff and myself are not going to give individual applicant results or reasons for being accepted/denied in a thread like this. We never have. Why is there any reason to distrust the decisions we make? We see the applications. We see how the users do on the tests. We have knowledge of the users' prior contributions to the site, their previous interactions with users and moderators. We know where the weaknesses are in our team, in the database. We have experience evaluating applications and training moderators. Of course no one ever knows for sure when they hire new people. But where exactly is the reason to not trust our decisions? The only reason I can see would be because the individual thinks we only want to hire our "friends"—and me even going so far as to post all the graded applications will not get that idea out of the head of someone who chooses to distrust. I'm really against public spotlighting and shaming. Applications are a private process. It's up to you if you want to tell users you applied and/or were rejected. This is not something I will share. Newly hired moderators will not see the applications and results of their peers either. Everyone starts with a clean slate and at the same level. That is the best way to forge a new team. |
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Kineta said: Why is there any reason to distrust the decisions we make? We see the applications. We see how the users do on the tests. We have knowledge of the users' prior contributions to the site, their previous interactions with users and moderators. We know where the weaknesses are in our team, in the database. We have experience evaluating applications and training moderators. Of course no one ever knows for sure when they hire new people. But where exactly is the reason to not trust our decisions? The only reason I can see would be because the individual thinks we only want to hire our "friends"—and me even going so far as to post all the graded applications will not get that idea out of the head of someone who chooses to distrust. I don't believe the issue lies in distrust or believing that you recruit people who would be your friends or such. As far as I can see, the people that applied and by that showed interest want to know exactly how others were better than they are in the aspect. They do not distrust, they want to know how they are a 'worse individual'. I am not saying this is the case, just what they perhaps feel as of right now. You are a supportive person, Kineta. You see positive teamwork as something that goes for granted if a group wants to reach some sort of success. That sort of thinking is good, but it is not universal for everyone. Some have a stronger essence of individuality and give more power to the word "me". As far as I can see, some are simply frustrated to know that they were deemed less appropriate as individuals than the ones listed in the OP and cannot see exactly how good those were. They know for themselves, but want to know for others as well. In detail. It is only temporary, though. Information such as how applications for each individual have gone should remain private. Looking at the entire system, it is how the process is best to run. |
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Kineta said: That's not true. Many users interact with moderators on a regular basis through their submissions to the site, reports, and private messages. Not everyone wants to interact via the forum. Fair, but do users who get accepted as mods have to use the forum? That's how I interpreted the requirements -- forum interaction was part of it. We're well-versed with the users who post modifications regularly in the forum thread. This is only one small aspect of contributing to the databases, though. I get that, I was just asking if it was taken into account. Then the discussion becomes "how did X show good ____ skills?" or "how is Y promising in ___?" If we choose the users as mods, we think they have some good skills and are promising. Isn't this to be expected? True. Why is there any reason to distrust the decisions we make? We see the applications. We see how the users do on the tests. We have knowledge of the users' prior contributions to the site, their previous interactions with users and moderators. We know where the weaknesses are in our team, in the database. We have experience evaluating applications and training moderators. Of course no one ever knows for sure when they hire new people. But where exactly is the reason to not trust our decisions? The only reason I can see would be because the individual thinks we only want to hire our "friends"—and me even going so far as to post all the graded applications will not get that idea out of the head of someone who chooses to distrust. It's not so much "distrust", it's more being wary, I think. Given past examples of features being implemented and the staff dismissing any kinds of complaints, I feel like people think their views don't matter and the staff just does whatever they want. I don't really feel a connection between a lot of the MAL staff and the userbase, but that's simply my interpretation and there are probably exceptions to that. I'm really against public spotlighting and shaming. Applications are a private process. It's up to you if you want to tell users you applied and/or were rejected. This is not something I will share. Newly hired moderators will not see the applications and results of their peers either. Everyone starts with a clean slate and at the same level. That is the best way to forge a new team. That's fair. I agree with most of that. I'm not saying I'm against the way this has been done, I just had some concerns, but in the end, as I said, it's not that important. I want the best for MAL and I hope the database standards improve (eventually -- I know it takes time to integrate new mods!) and that things get done quicker. And when it's hard to tell what some of the new mods are like, I find it difficult to know that I can trust them and their skills. I know that is built up over time as well, but when I have absolutely nothing to go off, it'll simply take longer. I have nothing against any of the new mods, or you, and I do hope this all goes well and in the long run we'll see improvements. I'm not immediately dismissing anyone -- as I said, I just had some concerns. |
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Psajdak said: Subpyro said: No, right now, I don't care for not being chosen; just all that time I spend on MAL database is now hurting me, and if nothing else, I would like it if some mod removed everything I added so far.Calm down, man. If I learned something from my past time here it is not to make any over-dramatic statements. Stuff happens. Just go do what you like. And know that time is always on your side over here. At the end of the day anime and manga are meant to bring some sort of entertainment, with MAL being a website that enhances that experience. Getting this stressed and emotional at it is just stupid and counter-effects the purpose. Do what you want, but don't take these 180 turns. They don't end well in most cases. So, it's not like I am angry (well I am, on my stupid self), just sad and and kind of empty - wondering what was so wrong with me to spend youth on MAL database. It's not like this was the last opportunity of your life. There will be another recruitment in 3/4 years I guess. |
Xenocrisi said: It's not like this was the last opportunity of your life. There will be another recruitment in 3/4 years I guess. The MAL staff acts rationally. If one is a dedicated and appropriate individual that shows signs of teamwork and positiveness, they will be recruited at any time. The database moderators, and pretty much all moderating sectors on MAL are always in need of a few extra hands. If you have the qualities listed above and come forward and politely make contact yourself regarding the matter, it doesn't matter what the status of recruitement here says, you will be considered on-spot. The only times the MAL staff will take the initiative and reach out to you (and the rest of the community) is when they will truly be in need of more moderators. That might take some time, yes. But 'the more the merrier' always goes here. After all, if someone is suited for the position, polite and dedicated, what a madman wouldn't recruit them? The issue is that there are very, very little of those around that take the initiative as well. |
Subpyro said: Xenocrisi said: It's not like this was the last opportunity of your life. There will be another recruitment in 3/4 years I guess. The MAL staff acts rationally. If one is a dedicated and appropriate individual that shows signs of teamwork and positiveness, they will be recruited at any time. The database moderators, and pretty much all moderating sectors on MAL are always in need of a few extra hands. If you have the qualities listed above and come forward and politely make contact yourself regarding the matter, it doesn't matter what the status of recruitement here says, you will be considered on-spot. Well yeah, that's true. It happened to me that an anime moderator asked me to become one of them while there was the recruitment since I was helping a lot the database. So even the moderators can take the initiative, not only the members. |
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Psajdak said: cry moreSorry, but I can't help feeling sad and betrayed not being chosen as well, even second time I applied... For years (since 2008, I believe) I have spent my precious time contributing to database (adding thousands of characters, people, editing stuff, etc...), not really for the goal of becoming a mod, but because it brought me pleasure. Had some good talks with mods, too. IMO, I think I "proved myself", so I'd lie if I said I didn't hoped this time I'd get a position of anime mod, simply as some recognition, if nothing else - even if I said when I applied that I will be happy for new mods, even if I don't get chosen. Because, in the end, over the years, what I did wasn't just for me... And just words like simple "thank you", or "we appreciate your work", now seem more like an insult, compared to my time that won't come back, and that, as soon as I read first post, I now bitterly regret. ... I can't believe I was such idiot all these years, all these efforts and hard work, only for it to go to nothing. I apologize if I sound selfish now, but right now I wish I could remove everything that I added to MAL - and there is a lot of it. If nothing else, I will try not to demean and humiliate myself any further, by not contributing to MAL database anymore, something that I most likely shouldn't have ever started in the first place, and which saddens me to no end now. Congratulations to the new mods, I guess... Congrats Higashi (and all the other new mods ofc) ! |
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Psajdak said: No to mention, instead of little appreciation for everything I did, what I get now are cruel replies such as "cry more", or that I'm selfish... That's why I just wish all of mine contributions to be deleted, to just erase that mistaken part of my life. You've got it the wrong way around. You're being called selfish because you're asking for everything you've ever contributed to the site to be removed (which you did in your very first post on the thread). You even used the word yourself... Think about what that would mean in practice for a moment: - Every entry you've made to the site would then have to then be readded by someone else, possibly in exactly the same form as you had done. - For any manga or anime that you had added to the database, everyone who had them on their lists would have their entries wiped, their history wiped, any posts they had made about the series wiped... - Not to mention the fact that the deletions would themselves probably take a significant amount of time to do in the first place. Yes, I think "selfish" sums it up quite nicely. |
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Psajdak said: lmfao, you're a true gem, you know that mate? On that note, congrats to the new mods. The job of a moderator is no easy task (which I, and many others, have no intention of ever taking on), especially because of the sheer amount of time you will no doubt have to invest in controlling the forums. In any case, this is a welcome change to our wonderful host of dictatorial overlords. I've often spoken out about how moderators no longer interact with users so much and have thus been growing more distant from us. Some, of course, have also made dubious decisions that I will probably never understand or get a decent explanation from. Here's to hoping you guys can bridge that gap and make the moderation team more capable and friendly. starting with disputing the 30 character limit rule please |
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