Mkim said: The security guard can confirm if they were carrying a basket or not. As they were the one most likely to have inspected it. Also did you already forget? You claimed the defendant wasn't carrying any items when you met him, so how could you have touched it in the costume room? Before you claim you met him before that let me point out the other testimony you gave.What? A basket on a prop room? Is that so surprising? Also the fingerprints just means that me and the defendant touched it. It could have been at anytime and anywhere on the expo. It could even be that the basket have been placed on that prop room just before the murder happened, it could even be that we both went to the changing room before the murder and touched the basket on different times. For you, the only thing it could've been is "The basket belonged to the defendant". Noone can confirm that, not even the defendant. Mkim said: This was directly after you stated you saw him in the changing room. You couldn't have saw him anywhere else because.Astros said: "Mr. Mkim, you claim you saw a person with a red mantle, was there anything else you noticed about them such as items they were carrying?" I do not believe I saw him carrying any object, but I did mention the person with the red mantle "Flop-ed". The gun was visible after he fell. Mkim said: Astros said: "Hmm, an understandable reaction. It's not everyday you witness a possible shooting after all. I have two more questions I'd like ask. Did you ever see the victim and the defendant together before the incident and did you know either prior to the event?"[/i] About the first question, I don't believe I saw the defendant before, nor the two of them together. Now to the second question, yes I knew the victim, we went to the same High School, I only heard that he was the victim some time after the incident though. Mkim said: What I did with the costume... I wore it? I just cosplayed, it is a costume. And no, I didn't met Lupadim at any point of the event before the murder incident You said you never saw the defenant before until the costume room. So how could you know he had a basket before hand? If you never saw him or it then there is no way you could have touched it in that costume room or outside it. Mkim said: Now to your "theory", you claim that I used the basket to handle ammunation. So I supposedly buy a gun but bring my own bullets? That doesn't make sense. I don't quite care about the part of the dealer, I said once and I say again that I did not had the intention to purchase a gun. Byon-kun said: Astros said: No I did not. the killer must have got it from somewhere elseWhile were on the topic of the gun. Did you sell it with live rounds as well? In questioning of his testimony he said he never brought bullets for it. This is reasonable to believe as without bullets a real gun is harmless. He had no knowledge that you would possibly bring your own to commit a murder. I also doubt he would make up a story such as this one. Mkim said: The fact the maid did not give a specific description supports they did not see your face as you were wearing the Titan costume. We can ask her if the man with the defendant was wearing such a costume.You state that "My plan to not go to jail" is to "drug Lupadim" and make him do stuff for me? May I ask you then how did I obtained drugs for this plan? And how would I predict that I would need to use such drugs on this situation? The Maid testimony states that another man did it, but another man could have been anyone, even the one person that it would be common to have a drink with, a "friend". May I remind that noone debunked that the other person on the cafe was said friend. What? You think I just went to the man, said "sup?" and powdered his drink with a drug I just had to bring cause I'm a psychic? I don't think so. |
AstrosSep 12, 2015 10:54 PM
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Mkim said: While true, there is a problem with this theory. There is no evidence supporting the existence of the basket outside the costume room. The chances of both of you touching it by chance is too much coincidence. To suggest the defendant entered the room, touched the basket, then left to kill their target is absurd. This is not to mention there was little reason for the defendant to enter the costume room when he already had the supposed weapon he used supposedly to kill the victim. You're stating that I engaged with the defendant, that's why our fingerprints are on said basket. The fingerprints just mean that we touched the same basket, it could have been on different times when either me or him were not close to each other. Mkim said: While true I find it hard to believe you would have seen or even remembered the basket unless it was important. You said yourself the unicycle was new to you.I don't really get your evidence on the baskets also, I didn't met Lupadim, but that doesnt mean I didn't met the basket. Mkim said: This unicycle is actually new to me, and it's not all the props, it's just a few. But seriously when I say that the unicycle is literally new to me. I'm not even joking However, to my knowledge nothing of the crime scene has been changed. Why then do you remember the basket so well? They were all props and yet one sticks out from the others. Now before you claim it's because I'm bringing it up as evidence against you let me ask you this. What purpose did you have in touching the basket? It was not yours and you had no need for it. You also had to move all the props in front of it out of the way to even reach it unless you were to step on and possibly break them. Mkim said: I'm still talking in relation to my accusation, no need to take offense or believe I'm stating facts here. Yeah, the bullets part confuses me (Though the part that mostly confuses me is to why a guy openly admited that he brought a real gun to a gun restriction area and have admited to have sold it when it became a murder weapon) And excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me? Astros said: He had no knowledge that you would possibly bring your own to commit a murder" I never brought bullets for any gun on this Expo nooooor I commited any murder. Mkim said: The why I explained in my accusation. You needed the drugs to manipulate someone to take the fall for you.And once again, you can ask the Maid anything (Not quite sure if there's time for this though) as I did not "powdered" Lupadim's drink, but that also doesnt explains why and how I would have brought any drugs. |
AstrosSep 12, 2015 11:35 PM
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Mkim said: Thank you, was getting annoying.I'm going to stop writing on bold .-. Mkim said: The chances are very slim, on the latter you're wrong. The only fingerprints found on the basket were yours and the defendant. If the defendant wasn't seen with the basket outside it could have only been taken out by you, however, you said you merely touched it. Are you implying that you removed the basket from the costume room?Well, yeah it is absurd on said scenario. But it doesnt meant he couldn't have touched the basket on any other time apart from close to the murder. There's also no evidence that the basket was never taken outside the room. Mkim said: As I stated before, with only yours and the defendants fingerprints you were the only two who could have taken or placed the basket in that room.I don't remember the basket well, I could have like, touched it a hour before the murder then someone took it to the changing room or something, I did several things on the Expo, maybe the basket was in one of the rooms and I just happened to touch it at that moment. Also, the room design is originally like that the difference is only the costume and the basket. I think there's some not so relevant evidences such as maybe the props and the guard's homemade cookies Mkim said: It's not as if the target was anyone special. Anyone could have done as long as they consumed the drugs.So I planned a murder and even drugs to make someone take the fall for me huh. I don't think that even if I did planned to murder Elwin, I would have planned that far. Mkim said: I agree there are many holes in my theory, holes that need evidence to be filled. I place that responsibility on the defense and that they may be able to shed some light on this case. That or if the side characters such as the Security Guard and Dealer could step forward and either deny or support my claims.I have to sleep now, be back in a few hours （￣ー￣） There are currently many unclear things to me, yes I seem suspicious but I still plead innocence. There's also many things that I don't understand about what's going one. I don't know about these props or this basket. I don't know about any bullets and specially I'm oblivious to any drugs. And last and not least, I have a bad feeling about this "friend". |
AstrosSep 13, 2015 1:13 AM
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| I want to reveal something else that happened after I told Mr. Mkim that he had to retrieve it himself. After I had told him that he gave me some LSD and told me to meet the defendant at about 1.30pm to have a 'nice chat' and once he wasn't looking I were to pour a strong dose of the LSD into his coffee. I did this because I thought I could rely on him retrieving it. But I had no idea he had plans to actually use the gun once he got hold of it. Did he shoot the victim because he saw what Mkim did to the defendant and were he doing some else to the drugged victim? I don't know the exact motive of him doing this murder but I don't think anyone else could have done it since I don't think anyone else brought LSD or bullets with them. |
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Byon-kun said: Okay, I'm down with you selling a gun without ammo, but drugging someone with LSD is a bit far. Firstly, how did you know what the defendant looked like? Secondly, how did you know the defendant would be at the cafe at exactly 1:30pm? Thirdly, LSD in it's pure refined form is colorless, so how could the maid report it was white? Fourthly, in liquid form LSD has slight color but takes 30 minutes for affects to appear after intravenous injection. Injection being quicker than digestion I find it hard to believe the defendant would have been manipulated by the eye witness within this time period.I want to reveal something else that happened after I told Mr. Mkim that he had to retrieve it himself. After I had told him that he gave me some LSD and told me to meet the defendant at about 1.30pm to have a 'nice chat' and once he wasn't looking I were to pour a strong dose of the LSD into his coffee. I did this because I thought I could rely on him retrieving it. But I had no idea he had plans to actually use the gun once he got hold of it. Did he shoot the victim because he saw what Mkim did to the defendant and were he doing some else to the drugged victim? I don't know the exact motive of him doing this murder but I don't think anyone else could have done it since I don't think anyone else brought LSD or bullets with them. |
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Astros said: the Defendant did buy the gun from me so I would recognize him. Tbh I have no actual knowledge of drugs or LSD, I'm only informed by Mkim that I were to do that. I'm also not sure of how I got to meet with him, did Mkim tell Lupa to come meet me?Byon-kun said: Okay, I'm down with you selling a gun without ammo, but drugging someone with LSD is a bit far. Firstly, how did you know what the defendant looked like? Secondly, how did you know the defendant would be at the cafe at exactly 1:30pm? Thirdly, LSD in it's pure refined form is colorless, so how could the maid report it was white? Fourthly, in liquid form LSD has slight color but takes 30 minutes for affects to appear after intravenous injection. Injection being quicker than digestion I find it hard to believe the defendant would have been manipulated by the eye witness within this time period.I want to reveal something else that happened after I told Mr. Mkim that he had to retrieve it himself. After I had told him that he gave me some LSD and told me to meet the defendant at about 1.30pm to have a 'nice chat' and once he wasn't looking I were to pour a strong dose of the LSD into his coffee. I did this because I thought I could rely on him retrieving it. But I had no idea he had plans to actually use the gun once he got hold of it. Did he shoot the victim because he saw what Mkim did to the defendant and were he doing some else to the drugged victim? I don't know the exact motive of him doing this murder but I don't think anyone else could have done it since I don't think anyone else brought LSD or bullets with them. |
ByonKunSep 13, 2015 12:55 AM
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Byon-kun said: Do you remember what time the defendant bought their gun? I see, I'm not sure on those specifics so it's unknown for now.the Defendant did buy the gun from me so I would recognize him. Tbh I have no actual knowledge of drugs or LSD, I'm only informed by Mkim that I were to do that. I'm also not sure of how I got to meet with him, did Mkim tell Lupa to come meet me? |
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Astros said: Jack asked me this, and I told him that it was about 2-3 hours before the death actually happened. So between 11 am-12.Byon-kun said: Do you remember what time the defendant bought their gun? I see, I'm not sure on those specifics so it's unknown for now.the Defendant did buy the gun from me so I would recognize him. Tbh I have no actual knowledge of drugs or LSD, I'm only informed by Mkim that I were to do that. I'm also not sure of how I got to meet with him, did Mkim tell Lupa to come meet me? |
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Byon-kun said: I see, my apologizes for forgetting. Did Jack ask you what they were wearing? It would help to know if it was the "Little Red Riding Hood" costume or not.Jack asked me this, and I told him that it was about 2-3 hours before the death actually happened. So between 11 am-12. With the time being so early the possibility that the receipt in the maid cafe is the defendants is much higher now. So the theory of the eye witness buying the gun first is voided due to my inability to read. I'll have to think more on it and revise it tomorrow. |
AstrosSep 13, 2015 1:23 AM
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| Sorry I was away for the weekend If anyone would like to question me go ahead |
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| seems I missed a lot the prosecution has realy took my thunder and gave a better and more detailed case than I could sadly we do not have any more evidence to add to this case to get the final verdict we lacked in numbers so could only check limited things so we got the same as the prosecution. The only chance we have of proveing this is by testimonys from the guard and the witness to help confirm the existance of this basket since it holds the mystery behind the case. The friend will also be able to tell us this and we can check if the dealer is telling the truth about sale time if the defendant brought the gun at 12 the friend should have seen it when they met. |
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| Oops I have some info I should probably share before this case is done "I remembered that the police have been searching for someone who has been selling weapons to the mafia for quite some time. Our Investigation has shown that he must be somewhere in this city." Perhaps this could be the missing link in your investigation, or perhaps it means nothing. You decide |
| I've been here way too long... |
Astros said: Apparently I unfortunately do not remember what they were wearing. Also I could be wrong about the time.Byon-kun said: I see, my apologizes for forgetting. Did Jack ask you what they were wearing? It would help to know if it was the "Little Red Riding Hood" costume or not.Jack asked me this, and I told him that it was about 2-3 hours before the death actually happened. So between 11 am-12. With the time being so early the possibility that the receipt in the maid cafe is the defendants is much higher now. So the theory of the eye witness buying the gun first is voided due to my inability to read. I'll have to think more on it and revise it tomorrow. |
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| I think that I was having a meeting with the Dealer right before falling asleep in the Maid Café. In my dream, there were many monsters all around me, but one specific monster was much bigger and scarier than all others. I tried to run away from the big monster just like all other monsters around, but I ended up stumbling and falling to the ground. After that, it's all black. |
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Sodalicious_ said: I have a few, if you're able to answer them before time ends >_>. In your testimony you said you searched someone wearing a "Little Red Riding Hood" costume. What time was this and were they carrying a basket with them? Also, did at any time you leave the dealer hall and go to the security room?Sorry I was away for the weekend If anyone would like to question me go ahead |
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| I would also like to ask the friend Ms. Coromandel a few questions. At the Expo do you ever remember seeing the defendant in possession of a basket? Also what was your relation to the victim? |
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Astros said: Sodalicious_ said: I have a few, if you're able to answer them before time ends >_>. In your testimony you said you searched someone wearing a "Little Red Riding Hood" costume. What time was this and were they carrying a basket with them? Also, did at any time you leave the dealer hall and go to the security room?Sorry I was away for the weekend If anyone would like to question me go ahead I think that the bag of cookies in the security room may hold some importantce in this somewhere as well I would like to know where you got them. On a side note b ased off this trial so far I think it is fair to say the dealer is going to be in trouble after this. since they have said they were selling real guns and drugged someone that added with the info off the guard about mafia activity in this area does not look good for them . |
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| One more question as I seemingly just asking them to everyone. Did you know the victim prior to the event Lupadim? |
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Jackrito said: The friend will also be able to tell us this and we can check if the dealer is telling the truth about sale time if the defendant brought the gun at 12 the friend should have seen it when they met. Astros said: I would also like to ask the friend Ms. Coromandel a few questions. At the Expo do you ever remember seeing the defendant in possession of a basket? I don't think Lupadim was carrying a gun or basket with him when we met. Like I said before, I didn't notice anything unusual about him at that time. Astros said: Also what was your relation to the victim? I didn't know the victim. |
coromandel said: I see. Thanks for answering.Jackrito said: The friend will also be able to tell us this and we can check if the dealer is telling the truth about sale time if the defendant brought the gun at 12 the friend should have seen it when they met. Astros said: I would also like to ask the friend Ms. Coromandel a few questions. At the Expo do you ever remember seeing the defendant in possession of a basket? I don't think Lupadim was carrying a gun or basket with him when we met. Like I said before, I didn't notice anything unusual about him at that time. Astros said: Also what was your relation to the victim? I didn't know the victim. Detective, you mentioned the Mafia earlier. Has there been any recent developments with them regarding the police, such as a drug bust or something similar? |
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| Unfortunately that is the bulk of my knowledge I've heard a rumour that the case should be ending soon so I hope everyones had their say. I await with curiousity the result ;D |
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The verdict! June 4, 1:30 PM District Court Courtroom No. 2 Attorneys: ... And by examining the basket, we will surely find both lupadim and Mkim's fingerprints, isn't that right!? Mkim NnngghH!!.. GRaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaarh!!! That.. It doesn't prove anything!! You're wrong! HE DESERVED IT! .. I mean, every day Elwin would make fun of me. I was always the one being punched around! He had everything. Guys like him deserves to die! Judge: It seems the true culprit in this case is Mkim. After the Dealer had accidentaly sold the real gun to the defendant, he came up with a plan to drug him and frame him for the murder of Elwin Gerald. Any Objections?? *Silence* In that case, I hereby declare the defendant Not Guilty *Lot's of clapping and confetti* - That is all. The court is adjourned! Game Over - Thanks for Playing :D Most Valuable Players Mkim: The perfect villain for an Ace Attorney game. Even when cornered by both the defence and the prosecution he put up an admirable fight! If the rest of players had not all worked together to find the truth, I'm sure he would have gotten away with his crime :D! Astros: Kept the game active and did a great job leading the Prosecution untill he eventually turned to Mkim as the main suspect durring the final trial phase. He also came with a really impressive and comprehensive explanation for ALL the presented evidence and testimonies. (though it wasn't exactly accurate to what had actually happened :P) Jackrito: The prosecution's most fearsome opponent. He kept pointing out every little flaw in the prosecutions case against the defendant, which is exactly what a good defence attorney should do. He was also brave enough to present the Video Tape in order to link the Dealer to the case, despite it being very incriminating evidence against their client. ... If you want to know what actually happened, you can read the role descriptions :P |
| I was typing up my last theories -_-. Regardless, was fun trying to figure things out even if I was wrong. I'm probably better at trying to be a detective than a prosecutor though >_>. |
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| Dont worry Astros detectives don't really "detect", in fact I didnt do much at all cep wait and see Anyway gg to everyone, it felt shorter than it was. |
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TheConquerer said: True, but I meant more in the sense I wanted to figure out what happened more than find the defendant guilty. If I were to pursue a prosecution win only I would have ignored the possibility of the eye witness doing it.Dont worry Astros detectives don't really "detect", in fact I didnt do much at all cep wait and see Anyway gg to everyone, it felt shorter than it was. Yeah, I think that was due to lack of activity. This game really calls for active participants to be interesting. |
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| Thanks for the game. I did lie a bit of what I actually did to fill some of my missing points in my pm. And to save Lupa(I like to root for people in a bad spot, nothing personal Mkim) since I don't think I had a win condition |
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| Btw, the coat, the broken probs and the homemade cookies were all just red herrings (though lupadim apparently decided to add the cookies to his testimony) Astros said: Aww - I would have loved to read your last theories :(I was typing up my last theories -_-. Regardless, was fun trying to figure things out even if I was wrong. I'm probably better at trying to be a detective than a prosecutor though >_>. This game has required a lot more planning and taken up a bit more time than most other games I've hosted, but it has definitely also been the most interresting to spectate :D |
| Well I got the verdict I wanted wish I went with my gut feeling and said the killer used the defedant costume to trick the camaras and frame them I did not think he would be able to leave the scene and change back though in the time. That added with my cilent had the outfit on at the murder scene also made me doubt it. I think it was obv I was going for that with my questions on the last day but once the prosecution showed my cilent in the costume I dropped it.Good to know I had the right idea at least. I would like to thank the host Zymf for coming up with this and making it fun to play I enjoyed working the case out and the back and forth with the prosecution and the questioning of 3rd parties. I just wish it was more active it seemed more me vs Astros at times which added to the fun in a way. On them thanks for putting your all into this and working with me to get the guilty party even though it was aganist your win condition a bit. |
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| Man I wish I played ;-; |
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Zymf said: I figured the coat and cookies were, but the props got me big time. I just couldn't understand why they would keep all those broken props!Btw, the coat, the broken probs and the homemade cookies were all just red herrings (though lupadim apparently decided to add the cookies to his testimony) Zymf said: Aww - I would have loved to read your last theories :( I knew it was unorthodox for the Mafia to kill in this way, but since I had no information on the eye witnesses relation with the victim I had only what Conq said to go on haha. Zymf said: Look forward to the next one when you find time.This game has required a lot more planning and taken up a bit more time than most other games I've hosted, but it has definitely also been the most interresting to spectate :D Jackrito said: Yup, I had more fun trying to figure it out than winning. Sorry to my team though.On them thanks for putting your all into this and working with me to get the guilty party even though it was aganist your win condition a bit. |
AstrosSep 13, 2015 2:41 PM
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| "We declare the defendant not..." OBJECTION I confess |
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lupadim said: "We declare the defendant not..." OBJECTION I confess  |
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| I confess to being completely innocent Thanks |
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| Damn Sorry for not being active guys I had a full weekend and didn't get much time to be on MAL |
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Mkim said: It's fine, you made some good points with them and had me still doubting at the end. You got that MVP spot for selling the character after all.Also, good job Astros on enduring my dumb retorts, sorry you had to go throught that. Sodalicious_ said: Understandable, at least you contributed in some way.Damn Sorry for not being active guys I had a full weekend and didn't get much time to be on MAL |
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| I only watched the game and still had plenty of fun. I wish I had played the game... |
You will be what you will to be. |
| Nope, that evidence did not help me at all. Sorry I didn't say stuff >.> |
| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| Sorry I was MIA for the last bit. Astros played really well and really hard. I, on the other hand, didn't see how to twist any evidence in our favor at the moment. GG |
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| I think Capcom has been inspired by my game :P http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1428961 |
Zymf said: I should audition for the role of Prosecutor, English subs of course.I think Capcom has been inspired by my game :P http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1428961 |
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