Hey folks, I recently uploaded a video talking about cour 1 of the show. It's quite lengthy weighing in at about 36 minutes so I suggest grabbing a snack. Now I am sure many will agree/disagree which hopefully spurs some healthy discussion as I expressed my opinion vocally.. Hopefully everyone will either get a kick out of it or make fun of me, either way is cool. I do want to mention that the audio itself was recorded before I started the other thread I made not that long ago so I had some of the same thoughts in mind, pardon the redundancies. I am not sure if there are any rules against posting my video like this, if there are I apologize and I'll just delete the thread I suppose. Anyways I hope you guys dig the video. |
| Awesome. Packing up to leave now, but will definitely check it out later today. Your reviews are great :D |
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mickdrew_99 said: Awesome. Packing up to leave now, but will definitely check it out later today. Your reviews are great :D I didn't realize you knew of me, I guess I am a little internet famous, haha. |
| This was an Excellent overview .... Maybe you will make a full review of the whole show after the 2nd cour has aired? :D |
| There’s no hope on the battlefield. It has nothing but unspeakable despair. Just a crime we call victory, paid for by the pain of the defeated. Yet humanity has never recognized this truth. And the reason for that is, in every era, a dazzling hero has blinded people with their legends and prevented them from seeing the evil of bloodshed. The true nature of humanity has not advanced a step beyond the Stone Age! |
Charge97 said: This was an Excellent overview .... Maybe you will make a full review of the whole show after the 2nd cour has aired? :D Thank you! When the show is completely done, I will do a full (and scripted this time) review. |
| Good video. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| Great job. Subbed, liked and looking forward to more in the future. |
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| All the fight scenes where really good but I personally didn't like saber vs berserker because the choreography was a bit off for my tastes. |
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tsuyurii said: Great job. Subbed, liked and looking forward to more in the future. Thanks! I am glad to hear it. =) black1blade said: All the fight scenes where really good but I personally didn't like saber vs berserker because the choreography was a bit off for my tastes. Personally it has been my favorite fight thus far. |
Shintai said: tsuyurii said: Great job. Subbed, liked and looking forward to more in the future. Thanks! I am glad to hear it. =) black1blade said: All the fight scenes where really good but I personally didn't like saber vs berserker because the choreography was a bit off for my tastes. Personally it has been my favorite fight thus far. Same here his speed made him a bigger threat than he seemed in the VN which made the fight more incredible than I imagined. Oh subbed by the way |
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Shintai said: tsuyurii said: Great job. Subbed, liked and looking forward to more in the future. Thanks! I am glad to hear it. =) black1blade said: All the fight scenes where really good but I personally didn't like saber vs berserker because the choreography was a bit off for my tastes. Personally it has been my favorite fight thus far. Fair enough. I prefer the more fast passed action sequences shown in ep0,1 and 10. I subbed btw. Do you think kara no kyoukai had better animation? |
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black1blade said: Shintai said: Thanks! I am glad to hear it. =) Personally it has been my favorite fight thus far. Fair enough. I prefer the more fast passed action sequences shown in ep0,1 and 10. I subbed btw. Do you think kara no kyoukai had better animation? First off, thank you to all of you subbing, I very much appreciate it. =) I've been meaning to rewatch Kara no Kyoukai actually. Well, I've seen it 3 times already so I am not in too much of a hurry to rewatch it just yet so it's hard to say at the moment which one has better animation. I want to say UBW, but I am not entirely sure. I think KnK is definitely more consistent in quality but that UBW's peaks are higher. But again it's been awhile now so I am not 100% |
| I hated some of the fights int his show. I loved the Archer/Lancer fight and Caster/Archer fight. Otherwise, when compared to silverlink's work on Prisma Illya, the fights, while well animated REALLY lacked in terms of choreography and direction. |
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Shintai said: black1blade said: Fair enough. I prefer the more fast passed action sequences shown in ep0,1 and 10. I subbed btw. Do you think kara no kyoukai had better animation? First off, thank you to all of you subbing, I very much appreciate it. =) I've been meaning to rewatch Kara no Kyoukai actually. Well, I've seen it 3 times already so I am not in too much of a hurry to rewatch it just yet so it's hard to say at the moment which one has better animation. I want to say UBW, but I am not entirely sure. I think KnK is definitely more consistent in quality but that UBW's peaks are higher. But again it's been awhile now so I am not 100% KnK probably does at least until the BD's are released, part of the reasons i'm excited for HF is because quality for cinemas is usually higher quality |
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CookingPriest said: Took the words from my mouth.I hated some of the fights int his show. I loved the Archer/Lancer fight and Caster/Archer fight. Otherwise, when compared to silverlink's work on Prisma Illya, the fights, while well animated REALLY lacked in terms of choreography and direction. |
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tsuyurii said: CookingPriest said: Took the words from my mouth.I hated some of the fights int his show. I loved the Archer/Lancer fight and Caster/Archer fight. Otherwise, when compared to silverlink's work on Prisma Illya, the fights, while well animated REALLY lacked in terms of choreography and direction. I haven't watched Prisma Illya so I honestly can't say. |
| Silverlink basically took the action style showcased in Ufotable's realta nua openings and adapted it into reality. They mainly REALLY knew how to use camera angles and slo-mo effects(something ufo can't figure out) They also so far employ far more point of view changes than ufotable does: Even the "static-y" point of view fighting(which ufo tries to imitate consistently so far) has more movement, while Ufo's is mainly "Standing still with flashy sfx" Prillya's fight is still THE definitive animated fight from fate franchise for me. I really hope ufotable steps up their game in terms of choreography next cour. It would be sad to see the budget wasted on clashing sfx. |
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CookingPriest said: Silverlink basically took the action style showcased in Ufotable's realta nua openings and adapted it into reality. They mainly REALLY knew how to use camera angles and slo-mo effects(something ufo can't figure out) They also so far employ far more point of view changes than ufotable does: Even the "static-y" point of view fighting(which ufo tries to imitate consistently so far) has more movement, while Ufo's is mainly "Standing still with flashy sfx" Prillya's fight is still THE definitive animated fight from fate franchise for me. I really hope ufotable steps up their game in terms of choreography next cour. It would be sad to see the budget wasted on clashing sfx. I freakin love that fight |
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| I have been extremely resistant to watching Prisma Illya because it just doesn't look like something that would appeal to me at all. That being said I do admit that the fights in that do look great. However I don't think ufotable's choreography is lacking because silverlight does it better, ufotable's choreography is still LEAGUES better than what most other anime studios are capable of. |
| good review now i think music a personnal preference, but i don't really get what is all the complaint about it, i find the music especially in the fight scene very well done, there is a lot of variety to it, each character has his main theme, and rin has a mahoyo feel. and we got to see a subtle theme of Emiya i don't really mind that fukasawa doesn't use the track of the VN i was not fond of all of the music in the vn, (i liked mostly the fighting music, and some theme for key moment, but the music in the slice of life scene was not memorable for me. ) i gladly awaits the OST of FsnUBW |
Kamipriest said: CookingPriest said: Silverlink basically took the action style showcased in Ufotable's realta nua openings and adapted it into reality. They mainly REALLY knew how to use camera angles and slo-mo effects(something ufo can't figure out) They also so far employ far more point of view changes than ufotable does: Even the "static-y" point of view fighting(which ufo tries to imitate consistently so far) has more movement, while Ufo's is mainly "Standing still with flashy sfx" Prillya's fight is still THE definitive animated fight from fate franchise for me. I really hope ufotable steps up their game in terms of choreography next cour. It would be sad to see the budget wasted on clashing sfx. I freakin love that fight i think the fight from both show is good. even if silverlink know how to move a camera, ufotable know how to set it also, even if they don't do the 3d thing (which is kind of wrong because they've actually done it during archer vs assassin which was short but gorgeous, and also during the caster fight when archer is chased by the beam, it was damn awesome) well actually i had more feels for the fight in UBW than Prillya where there is not too many fight actually even if they are good. and the fight are freaking detailed in UFOtable, even when it is fast, there is a good use of pacing with the music like when Archer do his i am the bone of my sword or when shirou do the trace on. actually there was use of "moving" of camera that was really impressive when rin tries to leave the building or when shirou is chased by her. i was really thinking: damn it looks like a movie in three dimension |
normalpriest said: Like I said I think the OST is good overall and is sometimes great, I just dont think it's great overall. I do like it and there are tracks I really dig like Archer's theme. As for the remixes from the VN, I didn't expect every track to be a remix, but I expected more than what we got. Either way I am glad you liked the video.good review now i think music a personnal preference, but i don't really get what is all the complaint about it, i find the music especially in the fight scene very well done, there is a lot of variety to it, each character has his main theme, and rin has a mahoyo feel. and we got to see a subtle theme of Emiya i don't really mind that fukasawa doesn't use the track of the VN i was not fond of all of the music in the vn, (i liked mostly the fighting music, and some theme for key moment, but the music in the slice of life scene was not memorable for me. ) i gladly awaits the OST of FsnUBW |
| That was a good overview, and the little rant at the end was great xD I mostly agree with your points, and I'm also hoping the 90 minutes cut scenes fix some of the issues were having. PS: You should do more videos. |
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| I do admit that even though Prisma Illya seasons were just above average, those fights seem more smooth and much better than what I see in ufotable's UBW so far, even though I like the fights in F/SN as well. (I know there's a link already but here has few more bits of scene before the fight of Illya vs. Saber Alter) I really like how Illya...(spoiler of Illya for those who haven't seen second season) ...fights against Saber Alter in the first season, this fight is one of the reasons why I kept watching the show. I really hope HF movie would be better in the fighting scenes, because this fight really made the show kind of epic for a while. 2wei was good as well but too much Yuri indications. But it's bearable at least. I'm surprised they will release a sequel (2wei Herz) and might release 3rei after that. They must've did pretty well. And great review! :D |
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normalpriest said: even if silverlink know how to move a camera, ufotable know how to set it also, even if they don't do the 3d thing (which is kind of wrong because they've actually done it during archer vs assassin which was short but gorgeous, and also during the caster fight when archer is chased by the beam, it was damn awesome) well actually i had more feels for the fight in UBW than Prillya where there is not too many fight actually even if they are good. Disagree. Prillya has around the same amount of fights if we take that timespan in FSN. Ufotable is hit and miss with the camera. IT is great in Archer/Lancer fight, varies between good(the very end) and meh(everything else) in Berserker fight(and is way too static with most of fight being flashy sfx), awful in Rider skirmish, great in temple fight, horrible in Archer trying to assassinate Shirou, decent in kuizuki fight, outright shitty in the shirou/kuizuki fight, outright horrendously awful in caster/saber encounters and the fight are freaking detailed in UFOtable, even when it is fast, there is a good use of pacing with the music like when Archer do his i am the bone of my sword or when shirou do the trace on. I am the bone of the word was epic projection moment was trashy shonen level of execution. Hit and miss. actually there was use of "moving" of camera that was really impressive when rin tries to leave the building or when shirou is chased by her. i was really thinking: damn it looks like a movie in three dimension The problem is that after that if you look back at the fights - none of that is there. Instead we have lots of static imagery of sfx clashes. |
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StrayBotato said: That was a good overview, and the little rant at the end was great xD I mostly agree with your points, and I'm also hoping the 90 minutes cut scenes fix some of the issues were having. PS: You should do more videos. I am glad you enjoyed! Looking back on the rant though, i think I should have edited out some of overuse of swearing (I was reasonably frustrated over it) but oh well, not gonna change it at this point. =P I am much more consistent with my video upload rate on my video game channel, on my anime channel I am much lazier, gotta work on that. XD |
ShintaiJan 4, 2015 6:18 PM
chaosflame5 said: I do admit that even though Prisma Illya seasons were just above average, those fights seem more smooth and much better than what I see in ufotable's UBW so far, even though I like the fights in F/SN as well. (I know there's a link already but here has few more bits of scene before the fight of Illya vs. Saber Alter) I really like how Illya...(spoiler of Illya for those who haven't seen second season) ...fights against Saber Alter in the first season, this fight is one of the reasons why I kept watching the show. I really hope HF movie would be better in the fighting scenes, because this fight really made the show kind of epic for a while. 2wei was good as well but too much Yuri indications. But it's bearable at least. I'm surprised they will release a sequel (2wei Herz) and might release 3rei after that. They must've did pretty well. And great review! :D Have you read the Manga? If not you're in for a pretty good ride next season. If they adapt 3rei OMG those fights are going to be awesome. |
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CookingPriest said: normalpriest said: even if silverlink know how to move a camera, ufotable know how to set it also, even if they don't do the 3d thing (which is kind of wrong because they've actually done it during archer vs assassin which was short but gorgeous, and also during the caster fight when archer is chased by the beam, it was damn awesome) well actually i had more feels for the fight in UBW than Prillya where there is not too many fight actually even if they are good. Disagree. Prillya has around the same amount of fights if we take that timespan in FSN. Ufotable is hit and miss with the camera. IT is great in Archer/Lancer fight, varies between good(the very end) and meh(everything else) in Berserker fight(and is way too static with most of fight being flashy sfx), awful in Rider skirmish, great in temple fight, horrible in Archer trying to assassinate Shirou, decent in kuizuki fight, outright shitty in the shirou/kuizuki fight, outright horrendously awful in caster/saber encounters and the fight are freaking detailed in UFOtable, even when it is fast, there is a good use of pacing with the music like when Archer do his i am the bone of my sword or when shirou do the trace on. I am the bone of the word was epic projection moment was trashy shonen level of execution. Hit and miss. actually there was use of "moving" of camera that was really impressive when rin tries to leave the building or when shirou is chased by her. i was really thinking: damn it looks like a movie in three dimension The problem is that after that if you look back at the fights - none of that is there. Instead we have lots of static imagery of sfx clashes. grmbl YOUR OPINION ! the shonen thing has been point out, well when i read the description in the novel, i don't see what's the problem... true UFOtable made it more shiny for the eyes, but i don't think it's shonen bullshit... it's actually one of my favorite scene. well i didn't have any problem with the sfx but anyway. |
| The way its shot and framed is shonen-y. THe way the over-abundance of effects is done is shonen-y. THe tone, without context seems shonen-y. |
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CookingPriest said: The way its shot and framed is shonen-y. THe way the over-abundance of effects is done is shonen-y. THe tone, without context seems shonen-y. So what's the problem, it's a shounen isn't it? |
Kamipriest said: Nope, not yet. But I'm looking forward to the other seasons and sequels :) And much more looking forward due to what you said about the fights that are coming up xD Just hope the quality of battle scenes remain the same as or even improve on the current seasons.Have you read the Manga? If not you're in for a pretty good ride next season. If they adapt 3rei OMG those fights are going to be awesome. |
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chaosflame5 said: Kamipriest said: Nope, not yet. But I'm looking forward to the other seasons and sequels :) And much more looking forward due to what you said about the fights that are coming up xD Just hope the quality of battle scenes remain the same as or even improve on the current seasons.Have you read the Manga? If not you're in for a pretty good ride next season. If they adapt 3rei OMG those fights are going to be awesome. Yea 3rei is going to be intense, I can't wait for the adaptation. |
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Insertanamehere said: I've never thought of Fate/Stay Night as a shounen. Even without the sex scenes from the VN it never struck me as such.CookingPriest said: The way its shot and framed is shonen-y. THe way the over-abundance of effects is done is shonen-y. THe tone, without context seems shonen-y. So what's the problem, it's a shounen isn't it? |
Shintai said: Insertanamehere said: I've never thought of Fate/Stay Night as a shounen. Even without the sex scenes from the VN it never struck me as such.So what's the problem, it's a shounen isn't it? He's joking, that's just one of the main arguments made against the show. For some reason when they want to call the show bad they say it's a "shounen." |
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Kamipriest said: Ah,k. I don't really get how that's an argument, there are plenty of great anime that are shounen like Fullmetal Alchemist, but whatever. People are going to grab on whatever thin straws they can to justify their hate. =PShintai said: I've never thought of Fate/Stay Night as a shounen. Even without the sex scenes from the VN it never struck me as such. He's joking, that's just one of the main arguments made against the show. For some reason when they want to call the show bad they say it's a "shounen." |
| Finally got around to seeing your video Shintai, and ya didn't disappoint. I've been pondering so many things about this show and the reaction from viewers, and you managed to address many of them and were spot on. Awesome job. |
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Shintai said: Insertanamehere said: I've never thought of Fate/Stay Night as a shounen. Even without the sex scenes from the VN it never struck me as such.So what's the problem, it's a shounen isn't it? You bit the bait lol, I don't think that either. |
InsertanamehereJan 5, 2015 3:24 AM
mickdrew_99 said: Finally got around to seeing your video Shintai, and ya didn't disappoint. I've been pondering so many things about this show and the reaction from viewers, and you managed to address many of them and were spot on. Awesome job. Glad to hear I delivered! I did have other things in mind when I was recording, but it had been running on for way too long at that point and I decided to leave it at that. I didn't want the whole video me just bitching, haha. |
| @Shintai: You can always split the video into 2 parts (i.e. 2 videos). Or having one video for the review only while the other one for any rants you have regarding any dismissals from people, as well as explanations of certain parts that people might have missed in terms of meaning etc. |
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chaosflame5 said: @Shintai: You can always split the video into 2 parts (i.e. 2 videos). Or having one video for the review only while the other one for any rants you have regarding any dismissals from people, as well as explanations of certain parts that people might have missed in terms of meaning etc. I think I said most of what I wanted to say anyways so I don't think I need to make another one just yet. If the content is compelling enough to discuss I might make another one when the blu rays come out. As it stands though I am planning on talking about the show again when it's done so I can do a scripted review of it. |
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Insertanamehere said: Shintai said: I've never thought of Fate/Stay Night as a shounen. Even without the sex scenes from the VN it never struck me as such. You bit the bait lol, I don't think that either. Well... I don't get it, the way it was filmed was great: in the VN, it's actually the first moment in the route UBW where Shirou shines a lot, i think it's good to emphasize on it, the camera and the music was in my opinion totally well -framed, it add a dramatic tone to it that is actually correct, their ass are being kicked. the shot on Shirou's face when he is going to hit kuzuki is cool ok true, there is a lot of lightning effect on Shirou, but again, in the VN there is a lot of sparkles when Shirou activates his Circuits, i mean, he does magic stuff, it's not wrong to put sparkles, there is actually sparkles coming from his hand when he trace on ... It's the first time he does it, i see it as an old machine that is suddenly getting a big power surge that's why there is sparkles,(actually it makes sense because of the sudden power surge, his body had trouble) and i'm pretty sure, we won't have any after because now the magic circuits of shirou are activated. and the tone without context ?! what does that even mean, the context is already pretty clear... actually i don't even get what's the point: since when so called Shounen effect are bad ?! What is a shounen effect ? Shonen is not even a genre... Shirou in this scene do basically a heroic thing... so it's normal to show him as what he is : a hero... |
SephcloudJan 5, 2015 3:11 PM
| The sparkles are representation of what is going on inside. Ufotable relied on overblown effects, no inner monologue or description of sorts. Just overblown effects and lightning followed by supposedly "badass moment" complete with focus on the face very common in shonen fight choreography. It has completely opposite effect than the VN - while in the VN it looked like suicidal and calculated move to save Rin at disregard of his own life, the anime makes it look like some badass high-powered charged shonen power-up. THe cinematography and direction in that scene is just...tasteless. The show has not fallen to that level before, with closest thing in terms of abysmal direction and cinematography being the caster/archer "discussion before temple fight which looked like it was directed by film school amateurs. |
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CookingPriest said: The sparkles are representation of what is going on inside. Ufotable relied on overblown effects, no inner monologue or description of sorts. Just overblown effects and lightning followed by supposedly "badass moment" complete with focus on the face very common in shonen fight choreography. It has completely opposite effect than the VN - while in the VN it looked like suicidal and calculated move to save Rin at disregard of his own life, the anime makes it look like some badass high-powered charged shonen power-up. THe cinematography and direction in that scene is just...tasteless. The show has not fallen to that level before, with closest thing in terms of abysmal direction and cinematography being the caster/archer "discussion before temple fight which looked like it was directed by film school amateurs. ... well i thought it was badass: because truth is: IT IS BADASS VN or no VN He clearly says: if i die, rin is going to be killed... How the hell we don't get he is suicidal... i'm not even saying this as a reader of the VN I actually talk about this scene with a anime-only: he clearly saw that Shirou disregarded his life in this scene... secondly even without inner monologue,(which is a debatable trouble for this scene, because shirou actually said in the anime what he was thinking in the vn...) it does nothing wrong to the scene to put sparkling... Actually it makes sense because visually : we get that: he suffers, and that his body is getting damage. And again if you take it as a machine getting a big power surge it makes sense Archer also has the same projection ability yet: they ddidn't show sparkling because: well his machine is not rusted... he has already awaken his magic circuit hence no sparkle. And... IT IS a POWER UP and i don't give a f*ck about the no- foreshadowing: it's still a power up, he discovered himself a hidden ability. and it's not because a camera focus is common that it is not good... Sure they maybe could have done some "originality" in the process, but it conveyed the emotion of the scene pretty well in my opinon. you add it with the music, for me this scene works very well. |
| Nasu always goes so overboard with his descriptions of Shirou's body gore, or how he perceive's what's happening to his body. Hopefully that comes through a bit more later, maybe when Shirou projects without Avalon to back him up. |
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WrongPriest said: Nasu always goes so overboard with his descriptions of Shirou's body gore, or how he perceive's what's happening to his body. Hopefully that comes through a bit more later, maybe when Shirou projects without Avalon to back him up. nah nasu's overboard descriptions will come if they animate sex scenes...like how he feels like vomiting and all |
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WrongPriest said: Nasu always goes so overboard with his descriptions of Shirou's body gore, or how he perceive's what's happening to his body. Hopefully that comes through a bit more later, maybe when Shirou projects without Avalon to back him up. That's my biggest problem with what Ufotable did with it. It does not FEEL like it is so gruesome. Scream is nice, but how it shot is juvenile and badly directed, so the visuals do not accentuate what is going on that well. |
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