My point of view for ending SPOILERS

May 7, 2014 6:44 PM

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet...

Homura never (willingly or knowingly) forced Madoka to a normal life when she became a Demon, it was already destined to be like this ever since Homura made her wish:

Madoka sacrificed her existance by becoming a God to destroy witches before they were being born. Meanwhile, Homura vowed to save and protect Madoka. This is, ofcourse, a contradicting wish but still applies even in the new universe. Kyubey found a way to keep out Madoka's influences and find out what it was that Homura called (she remembered her because of her wish) "Madoka" by using her subconsience. Homura heard from Kyubey what they were trying to do- -control Madoka- -so Homura made the choice to make Madoka forget about who she was to protect her. Realise that since the Kyubey race had captured Madoka before, they would definitely try again. This way, she could protect Madoka from harm.

This is what the writer had tried to create, and succeeded. The bad in the good; the selfishness in selflesness. Madoka's wish left a gap in Homura's heart (because of Homura's wish) and Homura's wish made her selfish, even though it was just to protect a dear friend and keep her from dying. I really don't understand how anyone could call this bad writing when the story has so many layers.
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May 28, 2014 3:21 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmvMSuxavo 2:19 Incubators are now in charge of collecting curses, maybe Homura could strip Madoka of her powers, because technically, her wish still wasn`t granted, with was "I want to protect Madoka, instead of her protecting me" She goes back in time so many times, maybe that wish affected her powers as much as it did Madoka?

kamil88May 28, 2014 3:24 PM

Jul 29, 2014 3:19 PM

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FierceAlchemist said:
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This and the flower scene are what justify Homura's actions for me. Not only is Homura worried about the incubators, but she's also told by Madoka that it would be painful to go so far away that she could never see Homura again. This is a Madoka without her memories but it casts doubt on whether Madoka is the Law of Cycles out of duty or happiness.

I completely agree. I think that by "betraying" Madoka and pulling her from heaven, Homura has, for now, achieved her initial objection. In the series Madoka asks Homura to keep her from becoming a magical girl. Although she has failed every time so far, this time she has technically succeeded. There appears to be no magical girls in this world and Madoka appears to be a normal girl. Granted this is not what the current Madoka wanted, and you can clearly see that once Homura interfered in Madoka's life she became less and less happy and confident (throughout the timelines).... giving us the title of the movie "Rebellion". She has now dethroned Madoka to allow for her safety and to keep the Incubators from gaining control of her.
It seems completely in line with Homura's character to turn evil and make Madoka her enemy if it means she is with Madoka and Madoka is a normal girl again.

Is it a happy ending? HELL NO. Evil Homura is now in control of the universe and in that post credit scene, appears to be on a power trip or just simply insane. The girls have been forced into this new reality, along with Kyubey who has now taken over the role the magical girls played. I don't see this lasting long as Madoka or the Incubators or both are bound to find a way to shatter this new universe.

I don't agree with her actions I just understand them. If I were Homura, I would have just went to heaven :p girl you've done enough smh

TokyoCrazyPXDJul 29, 2014 3:38 PM

Aug 7, 2014 12:41 PM

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^^^
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about this ending, word for word. If you were to actually sit down and think about Homura's motives like this, the ending of this film is perfect. Unhappy as all hell, but exactly how this should have ended. Nothing is forced or edgy for the sake of being edgy.

Now that said, it's not a very finalized ending. There's nothing wrong with open-ended, up to interpretation endings, but after seeing such a nicely well rounded ending of the original series, tacking onto that with this sort of taints that magic. I'm fairly confident there will be more, especially since in an older interview with Gen Urobuchi, he said that he planned for the film series to consist of 4 movies. But until we know for sure, my consideration for this being a real part of the Madoka Magica story is up in the air.

If we do get more though, then god DAMN this was an amazing entry into the series from start to finish.

Oct 22, 2014 6:08 AM

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SolviteSekai said:
Even when justified, the ending was still stupid.

It was edgy for the sake of being edgy, like everything else urobuchi has ever created.

The bottom line is that Madoka willingly chose to become the God she became. In the movie, Homura FORCES HER to live a life she didn't choose.

Homura's thoughts about what Madoka wants are disgruntled and childish.

You can't call an ending where the MC becomes satan and enslaves all her friends into fantasy land by force a "happy ending".

Edit: I'd call what happened to QB a happy ending at least, though even that was edgy, as it was a form of sadistic punishment.

Actually the ending made sense for me, and I prefer it to a let's-hold-hands-and-drink-tea-at-Mami's-forever ending. That wouldn't have been as powerful.

What I found took away from the ending was Kyubey being portrayed as overtly villain-ish. He's scarier and better as a truly impartial cold logical being.

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Oct 22, 2014 6:15 AM

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FakePriest said:
But it isnt a slice of life show so it isnt out of place, like I have being saying in the other thread.What happens in SnU,just likeMadoka, doesnt contradict the entire plot,genre,theme,atmosphere.Can you try to understand english?

-Homura was FORCED to let Madoka become a"god".Every Magical girl,friend and family were FORCED to forget her and everything that happened till then.They werent given a choice.Madoka created a "fake rule " to stop them from becoming witches.Madoka FORCED herself to become a godlike being in order to save others.How is Madoka any different from Homura?
-Homura FORCED Madoka to become human again..She FORCED every Magical girl to become normal again instead of giving them a future filled with deadly fights.She FORCED those EX-Magical girl,friend and family to remember/get to know Madoka.She created "fake rules" to stop curses from harming them by making QB absorb them.Homura FORCED herself to become a godlike being in order to save Madoka.How is Homura any different from Madoka?
Oh wait,for now,Homura did a better job at playing "god".

Instead of ad hominem, and random bullshit how about to try and see the fucking show?

First of all, I'm one of those that liked the ending.

Now as far as the difference between Homura and Madoka:

- Madoka did what she did for everyone, because it's just the sort of gentle caring person she is, she loves everyone. She's a normal, kind hearted kid. Saving everyone was the intent. Did what she thought was best for everyone.
- Homura did what she did because she went Yandere. It was with her happiness in mind--or even if it was her & Madoka's happiness, it was about an obsession of hers. Did what she thought was best for herself.

Similar outcomes--but with different motives. Whether that's irrelevant is an interesting debate.

superseiyanOct 22, 2014 6:30 AM

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Oct 22, 2014 10:04 AM

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superseiyan said:

FakePriest said:
But it isnt a slice of life show so it isnt out of place, like I have being saying in the other thread.What happens in SnU,just likeMadoka, doesnt contradict the entire plot,genre,theme,atmosphere.Can you try to understand english?

-Homura was FORCED to let Madoka become a"god".Every Magical girl,friend and family were FORCED to forget her and everything that happened till then.They werent given a choice.Madoka created a "fake rule " to stop them from becoming witches.Madoka FORCED herself to become a godlike being in order to save others.How is Madoka any different from Homura?
-Homura FORCED Madoka to become human again..She FORCED every Magical girl to become normal again instead of giving them a future filled with deadly fights.She FORCED those EX-Magical girl,friend and family to remember/get to know Madoka.She created "fake rules" to stop curses from harming them by making QB absorb them.Homura FORCED herself to become a godlike being in order to save Madoka.How is Homura any different from Madoka?
Oh wait,for now,Homura did a better job at playing "god".

Instead of ad hominem, and random bullshit how about to try and see the fucking show?

First of all, I'm one of those that liked the ending.

Now as far as the difference between Homura and Madoka:

- Madoka did what she did for everyone, because it's just the sort of gentle caring person she is, she loves everyone. She's a normal, kind hearted kid. Saving everyone was the intent. Did what she thought was best for everyone.
- Homura did what she did because she went Yandere. It was with her happiness in mind--or even if it was her & Madoka's happiness, it was about an obsession of hers. Did what she thought was best for herself.

Similar outcomes--but with different motives. Whether that's irrelevant is an interesting debate.

-Homura dosnt care what happens to her as long as she saves Madoka, from what she thinks is a bad destiny.t was shown before AND after she "sealed" Madoka.

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Nov 7, 2014 9:44 PM

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hmmm... several people are claiming that Homura is so stupid, unrealistic, crazy.. but I think out of it all.. she was the most logical... I didn't understand it at first but now.. I think it's starting to make sense... the wish that madoka made about saving witches and all that isn't her true real wish.. the talk in the garden was what madoka truly wanted ... which was not to disappear and spend their lives normally together with all of them... that's why homura answered back that she shouldn't have allowed it to happen....it is similar to batman... she was willing to be the evil one... so that's when she's gone... everybody will have absolute peace... like lelouch thing... that's why she became the devil... she wanted to pull away that madoka's universe... and control over the incubator and the universe as a whole.. Madoka's universe failed to take account incubator which is why it is a rebellion..getting Madoka's power and being the one to rule the whole universe and protect madoka's life overall... I think the ending credits mean that she finally was able to beat kyubey... but in the end she was drowned in despair because one day madoka and her will be enemies...forcing their ideals with one another like the selflessness of madoka vs selfishness of homura to bring back madoka... it shows duality and niihilism.. anyway that's my interpretation but really... I feel like it's not really the end but there will be an upcoming movie or something... hahaha :))

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