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| I'm thinking they will skip Tomoyo's arc after all. We've seen more Ryou than we've seen Tomoyo. And Tomoyo has her own Game doesn't she? Who is betting her story will be done in a special or an OVA? As for this episode, I totally linked with them. I'm guessing Tomoya suffered some sort of trauma hence why he can't truly remember those times. I didn't like his reaction after the fact. He was a little too cold. I mean, he just learned he's partially at fault for her psychological scars, and he doesn't even attempt to comfort her in some manner. He even partially shrugged off the fact he never came back to her. |
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PimpToad said: Most memorable episode moment...(too lazy to download raw and make a gif) Watch 05:15-05:25...I lol'ed so haaaard xD Oh that's awful. xD |
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Crisu said: Wow, I totally skimmed through that. But such a perverted mind. >.<PimpToad said: Most memorable episode moment...(too lazy to download raw and make a gif) Watch 05:15-05:25...I lol'ed so haaaard xD Oh that's awful. xD |
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AngelLily said: There's an arc missing there, PimpToad, about the Girl and her Robot friend. I get a feeling that is a part of the Nagisa arc, kyoani doesn't have enough episodes to play around with to give the robot girl her own arc. I think in the game, Sunohara's sister or something got her own arc...which we won't see considering the time constraints we have now. Thinking kyoani will intertwine the Tomoyo/Kyou arc like they did with Ayu/Nayuki in kanon. Leon-Gun said: Crisu said: Wow, I totally skimmed through that. But such a perverted mind. >.<PimpToad said: Most memorable episode moment...(too lazy to download raw and make a gif) Watch 05:15-05:25...I lol'ed so haaaard xD Oh that's awful. xD Kyoani did that, not me...xD I'm so tempted to make a gif of that xD |
| This should seriously have more episodes... 26 at least. And from what I've gathered through random readings about Clannad, the girl and her robot friend just can't be ignored. They play an essential part on the plot. |
MaxwellLilyJan 12, 2008 12:42 PM
| That some sad stuff. |
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| It all depends on how kyoani approaches things... If its 24 episodes plus a 1 cour 13 episode S2 or a 6 episode ova, more arcs can then be fit in. If its a single 24 episode 2 cour season, then some arcs will have to be mingled together; similar to how the Ayu/Nayuki arc can be played side by side...even if Nayuki always gets the short end of the stick. The robot girl has to be important or kyoani wouldn't have animated it with such badassery! |
PimpToad said: Leon-Gun said: Crisu said: Wow, I totally skimmed through that. But such a perverted mind. >.<PimpToad said: Most memorable episode moment...(too lazy to download raw and make a gif) Watch 05:15-05:25...I lol'ed so haaaard xD Oh that's awful. xD Kyoani did that, not me...xD I'm so tempted to make a gif of that xD Go ahead and you'll totally ruin it. I knew someone would mention this, and personally I hate it that I was right. AngelLily said: There's an arc missing there, PimpToad, about the Girl and her Robot friend. That's not an arc, it will most likely be shown in bits until it's done. You can't treat it like an arc that can compare to one of the character arcs. |
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| *shrugs* I just supposed it was an arc from what I've read, but I haven't read much because I'm not fond of spoiling myself. |
| I know what a Mary Sue is, and I still disagree with you. And you're gonna hate this, but I doubt they'll make Tomoya end up with anybody else than Nagisa. All the hints they keep putting in the anime to draw Tomoya and Nagisa together, that weren't in the original game, is a sign of that. And I'm sorry, but where has it been confirmed? I didn't see any official confirmation, just speculation. |
| While I doubt it's going to be longer than 24/26 episodes, I wish it were. Just because of the pacing. It's still slow and I didn't it it to start rushing near the end, it'd be too risky. Clannad is still a risky series, with far too many elements we've seen before. And sure, we can disagree. I'm one of the few people here that doesn't like Kyou that much anyway ^^; And I tend to like tsunderes. Oh, and I just checked the 5:15 segment... I remember blinking a bit about it, but please don't make a gif, it's so wrong ^^; |
MaxwellLilyJan 12, 2008 1:46 PM
| Well Clannad is a lot longer than both Air and Kanon combined, so there is a high chance that there will be an S2. The question is how they will approach this matter. For those who have read some spoilers about the game, the *blank* will probably start of Clannad S2 if there is one. If it is confirmed, post a link stating that kyoani has indeed green lighted an S2 or whatever. If you don't have a credible source, then don't say confirmed please. Even if there is an S2, Haruhi S2 would play first, then maybe a new FMP?, then Clannad S2. Give or take next winter or next year spring before it airs. The otaku community will probably do that gif either way...Kyoani sure knows how to appeal to every crowd...the lolicons are drooling! xD |
| I'm sure Haruhi S2 will come out this year, either on Spring (which makes Clannad 24/26 episodes, maybe season 1?) or Fall (which would leave Clannad for glorious and continuous 50+ episodes). |
| Clannad has already been confirmed for 24 episodes. If its going to 26, probably a special 2 ova episode kind of like what they did with Code Geass and Ah My Goddess. I don't think there's enough material to stretch Clannad to 4 cour series, Fuko's arc is already done and Kotomi's will end next episode; leaving only 3 main lead girls left. Hell I don't think any VN adaptation has stretched to 4 cours...most do 2 at the most. |
| The thing is, I don't really know. 24 just feel too little, though I'm sure KyoAni will do an amazing job on it. I'm not sure 50 would be great either. The only thing I'm sure is that I wish Clannad wouldn't be rushed near the end... And uh, do all of the Da Capo adaptations count? lol |
| It was really nice. 5/5 :P |
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| Da Capo doesn't count because half of the episodes in S1 are mostly side stories, plus the Second Season centers more around the characters introduced in DCPC. Clannad hasn't spawned any sequels like Da Capo, A Wonderful Life doesn't count because it is a standalone story of the Tomoyo ending. I'm just hoping that won't be similar to Kanon in which the slow pacing of the earlier episodes lead to a semi-rushed ending. The way things are going, half of the series has already been consumed and 3 main leads still need there story told. It took them 10 episodes to explain 2 girls...plus the Clannad story is at least twice that of Kanon...there will be an inevitable rush unless kyoani suddenly shows us a Clannad S2 promo/trailer at the end of episode 24...which is a possibility considering the pacing we have right now. |
AngelLily said: There's an arc missing there, PimpToad, about the Girl and her Robot friend. Yes indeed... Clannad seems to be very confusing at the hidden pasts. Main reason i like it is because (exception of a few episode) it manages to combine something nice (light humour) when there is drama, and it gets really nice when there isn't. I dont like it when people compare it with Kanon and say they run out of ideas, because it from a visual novel, they cant change it!!! |
| It wasn't a bad episode. The flashback was done really well. I was really only expecting Okazaki to talk about her the choice Kotomi made. Other than that the episode was great, but I hope next episode explains why he didn't appear to her party. |
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| Ah, again with the worries in Key stuffing all the arcs in scheduled episodes. XD Sad episode. It's been a few week since the last one, and I think the girls are cuter by the episode. x3 The preview for episode 14 don't say much so it's probably the end for Kotomi's quota. It should be a good one. |
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| Kotomi <333333333 :D this arc is great. ^^ |
| I guess this episode was so-so... I will sound... cold, but that "I hate you" thing is a tad cliche IMO >.> Every situation in which a person have problems overcoming their parents death involves argument before the tragedy, ending up in either "I hate you" or not saying "Itterashai" (dunno exact meaning, but most people here should know what i mean)... >.> Also... well, I found this epsiode extremely low-progressive for one of the last episodes of an arc. What I mean is that basically besides Kotomi's past, all it shows is Okazaki working in the garden >.> well not all, but most of the time. I understood this, lets say, had to be done, but it could've been made in a different way. I think it's first episode I rated less than 5 :/ again, maybe it's just because of the break. |
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kasumisama said: I should be enjoying this more, but I'm just not, and this ep. confirmed this. It's well done and all, but I can't seem to get emotionally attached to the characters, which pretty much kills a show like this. Eh. Still good enough to watch more though. I love the Kotomi arc, but I agree with you. Maybe it's because of the break period, or maybe because there are other Fall Shows (Kaiji, Shion no Ou) that are even better in the character development department... Oh well, let's see how the Kotomi arc will end next episode. |
| Is it just me or was the whole childhood friend thing a little unnecessary? It didnt really have any impact on the story whatsoever... The story was moving at a nice pace, as everyone was trying to help kotomi open up to people more. Then out of nowhere, kotomi loses it and locks herself in her house, okazaki suddenly remembers everything, and then everyone continues encouraging kotomi to get back on her feet. If they wanted to have a flashback, they probably should have just had the old man explain her story to the group instead of randomly making Okazaki remember it and turning him into a "childhood friend". On top of that, the flash back was a little dull and it didnt exactly make kotomi any more likeable... |
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| Actually, I think it was more of a setup for Tomoya's past more than for Kotomi. The little question that now tickles our mind is : "Why did Tomoya never came back?" So really, they chose to present it this way to touch more on Tomoya's past, since up until now we only knew his mom was dead and he hated his dad's guts. |
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| From someone that has never played the game or read any spoilers about the game I found this series good and somewhat medium paced all the way up till now. This ep was ok but it just seemed to go by very slooowwwwww. I have no other gripes about it though. It gave us just enough info to build theory's and conclusions about future events. As for theory's. I think its safe to say that Tomoya didn't show up because of family issues (ie. his mom left, died, or something happened to her). The drama probably caused him to totally forget about her b-day. Why he didn't visit after is beyond me. The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. |
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| well i dunno about anyone else but i can't wait for this arc to end, i'm really not too fond of the moeblob :< |
DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. |
AngelLily said: On top of not working at all anymore. But yeah, that's all we've been told on that side. DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. |
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| I was finally able to watch this episode and I have to say that it didn't feel as good as it was supposed to feel. It was very revealing and sad but I guess the long break took its toll on this arc. ^_^ |
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AngelLily said: DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. ya, I figured as much. I was just hopping for a story twist lol :/ |
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AngelLily said: DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. I think its been noted somewhere in the anime that his dad started acting that way when his mom left/died or something. Tomoya stated that he hated his impassive behaviour towards him even if they're family. The whole drunkard and elbow thing just adds salt to the wounds. |
PimpToad said: Very first episode actually. He states his mom died in a car accident and possibly because of it, his dad began gambling and getting drunk. After he had the little scuffle with Tomoya, his dad started evading him. Played it again to reconfirm it.AngelLily said: DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. I think its been noted somewhere in the anime that his dad started acting that way when his mom left/died or something. Tomoya stated that he hated his impassive behaviour towards him even if they're family. The whole drunkard and elbow thing just adds salt to the wounds. |
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Leon-Gun said: PimpToad said: Very first episode actually. He states his mom died in a car accident and possibly because of it, his dad began gambling and getting drunk. After he had the little scuffle with Tomoya, his dad started evading him. Played it again to reconfirm it.AngelLily said: DeathfireD said: The only thing I could guess is that his mom was really Kotomi's mom and he found out through his dad, which he now despises. But somehow I doubt thats what really happened :P. He hates his dad for being a drunk, not caring about him and for hurting his arm, I believe. I think its been noted somewhere in the anime that his dad started acting that way when his mom left/died or something. Tomoya stated that he hated his impassive behaviour towards him even if they're family. The whole drunkard and elbow thing just adds salt to the wounds. I figured it was because of his mother's death, I just didn't affirm it because my memory is terrible, really. And I was too lazy to check the first episode. But I'm sure there'll be a twist to the why he didn't show up, DeathfireD ^^ |
| Its a Key novel...there will probably be some weird/obvious plot device used to advance the story, they seem to enjoy making the characters sad. With the similarities of Clannad and Kanon, I can see Tomoya's mom pulling a tradegy similar to that of Ayu. Then that singular event will trigger a chain reaction that will lead to how the harem protagonist reacts to his surroundings. Kotomi's character right now resembles mostly of Mai and some of Nayuki's in Kanon. If the similarities are true, then Kotomi waiting at her birthday party would be similar to Nayuki waiting for Yuuichi at the train station. |
| I dunno, I don't find the stories that similar. I'm not going to go deep into it here since I'm not sure all the people who're watching Clannad have watched Kanon, but I think the small differences are what make the stories special. |
| A childhood friend he forgot about and the very first person she considered a friend...I think that concept ties Kotomi's character to Mai of Kanon. Waiting for someone to show up at an important event or when you need that person the most then the psychological trauma caused by the protagonists absence ties Kotomi somewhat to Nayuki. I won't go into further details about the trauma because it wasn't really explained in the anime of Kanon. Its a known habit for writers to borrow their ideas from past works. The ideas, setting, whatever may be different from the previous work, but you can usually see the similarities to a certain degree. There better be differences in the story...or there would be no point in watching the show. =P |
| You miss my point. It feels different even though it should be the same. This is just my opinion. I see what you mean. |
| The circumstances that led to the similarities are indeed different. I'm not saying that they are the same, but you get a sense of deja vu if you've played/watched Kanon before. To the kyoani/key virgins, they probably won't understand the topic of conversation at the moment. Nice choice in avvys/siggys btw =P |
| What I do understand and hate is the need to compare every little detail. And it's not to be mean, I just hate that side of fans. |
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| I don't consider similarities between two different shows a "little detail," especially when the similarities are almost near replicas of its predecessor. According to your list, you haven't watched any of the Kanon adaptations. Give it a look and you'll see what I'm talking about. |
PimpToad said: I don't consider similarities between two different shows a "little detail," especially when the similarities are almost near replicas of its predecessor. According to your list, you haven't watched any of the Kanon adaptations. Give it a look and you'll see what I'm talking about. I'll have to agree with you. The similarities between Kanon and Clannad are so obvious that it's hard to not think about it whilst watching. Fortunately we didn't have the same problem when it comes to the minor comparisons between Air and Kanon. ^_^ |
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| I would also like to remind everyone that next week's episode will wrap up the Kotomi arc, unless kyoani is hell bent on rushing the series near the end. Maybe "The Theory of Everything" will explain to us why Tomoya had that PCP induced dream...xD Also... Air and Kanon aren't related whatsoever, the stories are vastly different and gameplay of Air is linear. Kanon and Clannad on the other hand...well I don't think I have to explain myself. |
PimpToad said: Yeah, no need. I don't think I want to check. I got glimpses, and my friends have watched it. they all told me to steer clear so I decided I had plenty of other stuff to see and followed their advice.I would also like to remind everyone that next week's episode will wrap up the Kotomi arc, unless kyoani is hell bent on rushing the series near the end. Maybe "The Theory of Everything" will explain to us why Tomoya had that PCP induced dream...xD Also... Air and Kanon aren't related whatsoever, the stories are vastly different and gameplay of Air is linear. Kanon and Clannad on the other hand...well I don't think I have to explain myself. |
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| It's just a matter of similarities, but the characters are interesting enough to surpass those similarities and you get to enjoy the story anyway. However, I don't know why, but I just couldn't feel for the girls up to now. Fuko was just annoying, IMO, and Kotomi is cuter but her personality doesn't attract me that much. Though I admit their stories were interesting at one point, they just didn't appeal to me. Let's hope Nagisa or Tomoyo can do that. Who knows, maybe even Kyou can. Thanks, PimpToad. You haven't changed your avvy in a while though, and I've seen you do so at least three times now? XD |
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