Mazdian said: Is this correct? Should ffdshow Video Decoder be there? Sorry if this is a dumb question. Nope, it's not correct. You should have seen that your list looks completely different from what I posted in the confirmation section. The only ffdshow that's supposed to appear is the audio processor, everything else LAV (video and audio decoder). You can fix this by add LAV in external filters and set it to prefer. When using audio processor it will be necessary sometimes for whatever reason. Also, sorry everyone but I'll be out for a few days around here, my keyboard just broke and I'm actually using a virtual one atm. It will probably be only for 2-3 days so until then, see you guys later. |
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Viski said: tried it out tonight - works awesome on all the files i've tested it on so far...wonder if it's possible to get a little more speed out of my player now that haali isn't needed (with an old computer every bit counts)? lav is pure genius and many thanks are due to nevcairiel!A test version of LAV filters with support for ordered chapters is now available here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1621894#post1621894 Yay. |
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danuchiha99 said: Is there an .exe for that, I don't know how to do it, I downloaded it and extract it, and I'm stuck on how to make it work? Remember how you installed madVR? Do the same with LAV. |
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danuchiha99 said: It keeps on saying "The module "LAVSplitter.ax" was loaded but the call of DLLRegisterServer failed with error code 0x80070005." "For More info. about this problem, search online using the error code as a search term" Try loading the .bat files as admin - oh - and make sure to install it in the same folder you installed previous LAV from the .exe file. Otherwise shit will happen. |
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danuchiha99 said: Is turning on smooth motion a good thing, does it have any benefits besides being smooth? It's to remove judder only (that feeling of dropped frames when something moves around in the screen). Unforgiven-wanda said: Are these codecs thus configured only efficient -performance and quality-wise- when watching anime ? That is because although I watch a lot of anime, I have also lots of movies both in 720p, 1080p and Avi 480p. Will I still have a good quality when watching those ? Or is this bunch of codecs designed solely for anime-lovers ? Anime playback is the main focus but you'll also notice a considerable amount of improved quality in overall files. No reason to hold back. |
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danuchiha99 said: Do you have smooth motion ticked on, and do most movies and tv shows in the world have smooth motion on? (sorry if you didn't understand) Smooth motion is a feature exclusive of madVR AFAIK. If you have more questions, make a batch and ask all of them at once. Otherwise we will spam the thread with too many posts. |
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| Not sure if this is right place to ask this but here goes: Whenever I used to exit full screen, the player would be in maximize window but now it would go from full screen to minimize or something. I know that it has to do with one of the player option under other or history but I am not sure which one is it. Also, is there a updated guide to all the options for MPC, like an short explanation for what each options does? I found one but it was really out of date and it doesn't look like the author will be updating it anytime soon. |
GeassGx said: Whenever I used to exit full screen, the player would be in maximize window but now it would go from full screen to minimize or something. I know that it has to do with one of the player option under other or history but I am not sure which one is it. Sorry to disappoint you, but unfortunately I've never heard of that option. GeassGx said: Also, is there a updated guide to all the options for MPC, like an short explanation for what each options does? I found one but it was really out of date and it doesn't look like the author will be updating it anytime soon. Not that I know of... mind giving a link to that guide? |
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eraldi21 said: I'm 99.99% sure that the problem is my cpu- it just lacks the raw power :( But i posted the question since from the MANY guides that I've read about lav filters and hardware acceleration I was hoping that maybe part of the decoding load could be transferred to my gfx card but I'm guessing that that's not possible or maybe it's the fact that the card is not powerful enough. The only thing that made me doubt was that when I tried playing a 10-bit 1080p video(hellsing ultimate ova ep 8) with CoreAVC the cpu usage was very low(20-30%) but the video suffered majorly(blocking and tearing) so I thought that there might be a way to fix that "bug". Your problem is the GPU, not CPU. 1080p 10-bit seems to be too much for it. Using hardware acceleration will just make things worse. I recommend that you follow madVR lowest preset (see chart in the guide) and see if that will help you. |
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eraldi21 said: I followerd your guide last time(almost 2 months ago) and tried the lowest presets but still nothing. I don't understand how can the gpu be the problem since when I play 10 bit 1080p the cpu usage jumps from 0-2% at idle to 99%... You have a dual core of 2.6 GHz, that can't be the problem. The GPU on the other side is has good performance but still can't play it properly... It must be a settings issue then. If you don't mind, playing a little with backbuffers, queue and flush settings in madVR will probably help. Update your components too. If you don't know where to start, put both CPU and GPU queue at 4, backbuffers in windowed mode at 8 and flush in everything. |
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Niyawa said: GeassGx said: Whenever I used to exit full screen, the player would be in maximize window but now it would go from full screen to minimize or something. I know that it has to do with one of the player option under other or history but I am not sure which one is it. Sorry to disappoint you, but unfortunately I've never heard of that option. Well if I remember correctly, the only boxes that I checked were: Show OSD, Limit window proportion on re-size, remember last window position and remember last window size. Once I updated all the programs, I can't seem to find the right combinations again. GeassGx said: Also, is there a updated guide to all the options for MPC, like an short explanation for what each options does? I found one but it was really out of date and it doesn't look like the author will be updating it anytime soon. Not that I know of... mind giving a link to that guide? http://imouto.my/all-the-things-you-may-want-to-know-about-media-player-classic-homecinema/ |
GeassGx said: Well if I remember correctly, the only boxes that I checked were: Show OSD, Limit window proportion on re-size, remember last window position and remember last window size. Once I updated all the programs, I can't seem to find the right combinations again. Well, never heard of that option. You could try resetting all MPC settings and configuring it again. Oh, that guide. I could never finish reading all of that. Not to mention the author overall complicates and destroy any source of curiosity after a few scroll-downs and it is terribly outdated and probably misleading. The author seems to have good intentions though. |
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AzunyanNyanNyan said: Any fix on this? Not really a major problem but it's getting annoying after a while. I'm sorry but I'm not sure exactly what problem you want me to fix for you. Is it the delay between the video being stretched and going back to the original aspect ratio? You want it to go for the correct aspect ratio instantly I believe? If it is, then I'm not sure how you would "fix" that. It really depends on how fast your own PC can make those things I guess. For example, I have a relatively good laptop, but if I don't set the scaling algorithms to Bilinear I also get such delay you mentioned. Only difference is that my video doesn't stretch to the whole screen, but it stops and only continues after a second. |
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AzunyanNyanNyan said: I don't think its my PC being slow, I bought it only 3 months back (DIY build, old one died). New PC doesn't necessarily mean good performance. Well, since it's DIY you probably know what you're talking about. Let's do it like this... Once madshi (madVR developer) comes back from his hiatus, I'll ask him what we can do about this. I'll get that back to you when I have more info. |
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danuchiha99 said: Hey, by any chance do you know anything about equalizers on TV's? If you do know about equalizers, I'm kind of confused, I want to hear both voice and music at high leveled volumes, but whenever I try something it's either, music is too low and voice is too high? I don't know much about equalizers but AFAIK you need to know which spectrum represents the voice and that part of the music you want to be higher in volume then manually optimize them for what you want. If I were you I would just use normalization though. |
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danuchiha99 said: Isn't ffdshow audio processor and LAV audio decoder's mixer's basically the same thing? Yes, but LAV mixer can't be used when you're playing FLAC (because you'll be using madFlac instead). That's where Audio Processor is useful. |
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Valkyrax said: Just wondering... i'm using k-lite and thinking of switching over... i don't have a lot of time to read over all the comments (not being lazy here, just too time consuming) so i was wondering what's the average dropped frames for a 720p/1080p mkv file? I'm getting between 23-28 on average. Will switching over to kcp change that possible?? My laptop is always plugged in so it should be at optimal performance... First, you shouldn't be watching a 1080p mkv in a laptop that doesn't have 1080p screen, not to mention your max resolution is the worst for 720p content. But that's just a note. K-lite and CCCP are known for being bad with video performance from time to time. You can try KCP and since that GPU is low-mid range for performance, I would say try Mid and High presets and see which one works best. It might be able to play Highest since it's more powerful than a HD 4000 but I'm not sure. You'll have to test it for yourself. |
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Valkyrax said: ahh fair enough i'll try it out, i'll get back to you later on it... and what do you mean when you say my max resolution is the worst for 720p content, could you elaborate? Assuming that you're using Windows 7 or Windows 8 with the taskbar at the top or bottom, that alone will take 49 pixels of height in a screen with 768 available, which means you get 720p. But you still have the window of MPC-HC which takes about 10-20 pixels, that alone creates a problem: You either downscale the video to fit in the remaining space or go full screen which will give you an upscale. The only way to fix this would be putting the taskbar at the sides, but in a screen not as wide as yours that would just make things worse, since the taskbar is not optimized for that position. It's a shame but it's reality. tl;dr either way you'll be left with an option where you can't appreciate 720p at it's original quality and size. |
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Valkyrax said: There's very little quality loss though, it's still a 16:9 aspect ratio, but yeah i get what you mean. The other alternative would be watching 480/576 which that would upscale anyway... and a definite no-no. Also another alternative i can resort to regarding the taskbar, would it help it i set it to auto-hide? There still would be black bars on the sides though... perhaps tweaking the windowed settings for mpc? I don't know about you, but I hate upscales with all my might. Some of them are bearable and even high-quality, but in general I'd rather watch 480p than a 720p upscaled. Given some circumstances I might not notice at all though, like watching on my TV. If you did set to auto-hide on top-bottom then it would only take 3 pixels which would leave enough space to leave a full 720p without problems. Valkyrax said: Back to kcp, my problem with frame drops actually didn't exist, it was simply a mistake on my part so i apologize for that, i forgot to press ctrl r, it was checking it as soon as the video started, hence the drops. Also, i did a clean uninstall of k-lite and installed kcp, when i went to play a video(mkv file) there was a black screen, audio worked though... Any ideas on how to fix that? Oh, check your filters list and make sure everything is being used. Sometimes restarting the PC resolves the issue. It's probably a madVR bug (common for black screens). Try EVR-CP and see if you still get it with that same file you used. If you don't, then it's likely a madVR bug, if it is, I'm not sure how to fix it aside from restarting the PC. For now just do what I said and come back here if the issue persists, I'll talk to madshi and ask his opinion on the matter. |
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| Niyawa, have you tried the new LAV Splitter's ordered chapter support? And if so is it worth making the switch from Haali, or should I wait for the next stable version of LAV? |
Niyawa said: Well, we can't deny that 768p is the optimal resolution to have on a 15.6" notebook screen. I have it too. 720p isn't really good and 1080p is too much.Assuming that you're using Windows 7 or Windows 8 with the taskbar at the top or bottom, that alone will take 49 pixels of height in a screen with 768 available, which means you get 720p. But you still have the window of MPC-HC which takes about 10-20 pixels, that alone creates a problem: You either downscale the video to fit in the remaining space or go full screen which will give you an upscale. The only way to fix this would be putting the taskbar at the sides, but in a screen not as wide as yours that would just make things worse, since the taskbar is not optimized for that position. It's a shame but it's reality. tl;dr either way you'll be left with an option where you can't appreciate 720p at it's original quality and size. I have my taskbar on the right side as I have only a few pinned programs, I get more height to work on like this. I usually watch 720p anime in window. I have only the seek bar turned on and set zoom to 100%, so the video is actually 720p. But according to my experiences in full screen 1080p looks better. |
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Hakuromatsu said: Niyawa, have you tried the new LAV Splitter's ordered chapter support? And if so is it worth making the switch from Haali, or should I wait for the next stable version of LAV? I'm waiting for the stable version. nev's apparently still working of a few tweaks and there is still some people reporting under-the-hood bugs. It probably won't take more than a few days or a week at last for the new release. I'll also be leaving an update with the guide re-released at version 1.0 (since it will be officially stable and ready to use thanks to Haali being dumped). Edit: Talking about the devil, nev just released the version 0.56. Just tested it and works great. Gorzius said: Well, we can't deny that 768p is the optimal resolution to have on a 15.6" notebook screen. I have it too. 720p isn't really good and 1080p is too much. I have my taskbar on the right side as I have only a few pinned programs, I get more height to work on like this. I usually watch 720p anime in window. I have only the seek bar turned on and set zoom to 100%, so the video is actually 720p. But according to my experiences in full screen 1080p looks better. Everyone has their circumstances which they accept and see it as good or bearable. I have my monitor 21.5" 60 cm away from my eyes so 720p upscale to 1080p is a tragedy. If I were to up the same 720p in a 32" 1080p monitor but in a room distance (1-2m away) it wouldn't be that noticeable. IMO 1280x800 is much better, because it gives you more height for nearly perfect 1280x720 fit and a little more space for web pages. 1336x768 is just awful. Also, how refreshing it is to see people with display pictures. I was feeling lonely already. |
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Niyawa said: Well, my screen is only 15,6". But if someone has 1080p screen it's just natural to watch 1080p videos. The quality of upscaling is much worse than downscaling.Everyone has their circumstances which they accept and see it as good or bearable. I have my monitor 21.5" 60 cm away from my eyes so 720p upscale to 1080p is a tragedy. If I were to up the same 720p in a 32" 1080p monitor but in a room distance (1-2m away) it wouldn't be that noticeable. . Niyawa said: You are right with this. I prefer 16:10 ratio too, but in 2008 the industry started to change to 16:9 and since 2009 the it is the most common aspect ratio. I just don't get why...IMO 1280x800 is much better, because it gives you more height for nearly perfect 1280x720 fit and a little more space for web pages. 1336x768 is just awful. |
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Gorzius said: You are right with this. I prefer 16:10 ratio too, but in 2008 the industry started to change to 16:9 and since 2009 the it is the most common aspect ratio. I just don't get why... It's just a broken logic. They believe that since 1336x768 is a perfect equivalent to 720p, assuming that everyone will be okay with the upscale would do. But no matter how you look at it, people are just losing with that. Even tables use 1336x768 now, it's cancer. |
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Niyawa said: I think a reason behind it might be money. They can create a 16" (or any number, just an example) 16:9 screen with a little bit less material than a 16:10 one. When it's a notebook then, even more material is saved. On long term there will be a bit more money in the pockets of the companies. This is the same logic as the length of the packed cables is getting shorter cm by cm and day by day. It isn't much, but that's how the fucking capitalism works...It's just a broken logic. They believe that since 1336x768 is a perfect equivalent to 720p, assuming that everyone will be okay with the upscale would do. But no matter how you look at it, people are just losing with that. Even tables use 1336x768 now, it's cancer. |
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Gorzius said: I think a reason behind it might be money. They can create a 16" (or any number, just an example) 16:9 screen with a little bit less material than a 16:10 one. When it's a notebook then, even more material is saved. On long term there will be a bit more money in the pockets of the companies. This is the same logic as the length of the packed cables is getting shorter cm by cm and day by day. It isn't much, but that's how the fucking capitalism works... Oh, the world we live in. Well, let's not go off topic, and I want to appreciate the avatars as long as possible so no unnecessary posts. It was a short - but a very enjoyable discussion. |
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Niyawa said: I agree with this, and I am very happy now!Talking about the devil, nev just released the version 0.56. Just tested it and works great. |
Advanced MPC-HC Setup Guide - v1.0 (stable) Changelog
Huff. So, the guide is out of my "safe" zone and it's finally in the "completely safe" one. Both the requirements and madVR chart are accurate enough to give the user satisfactory quality for performance range. This is also why I resetted the version to 1.0, it was my retarded side that for whatever reason made a new main release every month. I know. Now it's your job to spread the love, spread~. LAV filters now supports matroska ordered chapters/segment linking which means Haali is no more. You don't have any idea how happy I am now, really. madVR chart is also in the 0.2 beta version and for now I plan to study smooth motion effects on people's hardware. Of course, I'll keep in mind it's still a new feature and until madVR 1.0 it will probably be safe to use for everyone. You all can notice that I removed the FAQ and Troubleshoot section, the reason is that I basically merged 60% of the FAQ with the guide itself, and the troubleshoot is basically useless with the information and steps that I give. Some steps in the overall guide were also removed, not only because some of them were pointless, but we wanna keep things clean as possible. I'll probably update again only when madshi releases a new version, until then I'll keep watching my cute girls, looking for avatars, dealing with IRL shit but you don't wanna hear about it. Of course, as always - thanks for using this guide. |
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| This is one great guide. I found one a couple months back that was a couple years old and didn't explain things as well as they could, but your guide does all of that and more. Great job. I do have one problem though, I am sort of getting a lot of dropped frames(I think). http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae269/Kyzer74/ctrlj.png Is this because I am streaming it from my NAS, or maybe I just made some bad configs? |
CanalDigger said: Is this because I am streaming it from my NAS, or maybe I just made some bad configs? Thanks for the kind words. It's highly unlikely your NAS has anything to do with it, I'm fairly positive it's bad settings and you just need to look at the rendering time to make that assumption (19.40ms is pretty high). Give me your specs (GPU, OS) or the name of the desktop/laptop you're using with the preset for madVR so I can look a little more into it and give you some opinions on optimal settings. Take notice you're also using smooth motion, and since it's a experimental feature, there's a chance it might be the evil deed that's causing the dropped frames. |
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| I disabled Smooth motion and that decreased the rendering to ~5.88ms. So I guess(?) its good now. As for my specs I have a (GPU - Radeon HD 7850 w/ 2GB GDDR5, OS - Win 7 Ult.) CPU - i5-3450 Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz. |
CanalDigger said: I disabled Smooth motion and that decreased the rendering to ~5.88ms. So I guess(?) its good now. As for my specs I have a (GPU - Radeon HD 7850 w/ 2GB GDDR5, OS - Win 7 Ult.) CPU - i5-3450 Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz. You should be able to use smooth motion without any problems with that spec. You didn't tell me the Preset you're using for madVR though. And that ms is still high, you should be able to leave it under less than 0,60 ms at least even with Jinc. |
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| Oh sorry, I had to type an article real quick, thanks for the help btw. OK settings starting with Decoding - None Checked Deinterlacing - Auto activate deint./If in doubt, deactivate Chroma - Jinc/3Taps/AR checked Upscaling - Jinc/3Taps/AR checked Downscaling - Catmull/AR & LL checked General - None checked Window mode - 3/Flush/Flush&wait/Don't/don't Exclusive mode- all checked/10/Flush/Flush&wait/Don't/don't Smooth - None Trade quality for pro. - first two checked(don't use LL for smooth & store custom pixel shader) |
CanalDigger said: Oh sorry, I had to type an article real quick, thanks for the help btw. Okay, it seems like your settings are alright, just not optimized. Try putting the backbuffers up to max (8) and everything in windowed mode to flush, then "don't flush", and see which one gives you the lowest rendering time in ms. The queue might also help, but it's already at max so no problems there. |
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Niyawa said: Okay, it seems like your settings are alright, just not optimized. Try putting the backbuffers up to max (8) and everything in windowed mode to flush, then "don't flush", and see which one gives you the lowest rendering time in ms. The queue might also help, but it's already at max so no problems there. That fixed it. I think I could mess with setting now that I have a much more stable one. Thanks a lot :D!, I hope this thread continues to be updated, since its definitely worth it. |
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