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gedata said: I agree that in retrospect, much of the show feels somewhat pointless. I blame it on the length and the poor planning on the writer's part, but those alone shouldn't justify their mediocre execution of a show that could have been so much better. I do want to say that there are answers to all your questions, it's just that the show didn't have enough time to capitalize and emphasize most of them: |
pakoko said: gedata said: I agree that in retrospect, much of the show feels somewhat pointless. I blame it on the length and the poor planning on the writer's part, but those alone shouldn't justify their mediocre execution of a show that could have been so much better. I do want to say that there are answers to all your questions, it's just that the show didn't have enough time to capitalize and emphasize most of them: glad you pointed it out before I justify something that this show isn't actually mediocore because it's pointless. rather that somewhat because the length of the episodes in this anime given (I guess because noitamina anime used to go with 11 episodes.. or it could be longer like psycho-pass and samurai flamenco did). And as resulted to have weak story-telling that makes half of people think this show is silly. As pretty much for me, this show is pretty straight-forward enough and have give the conclusion. And sadly I will respectfully disagree that because i pretty much attached with the characters when I watched this anime, I saw the big character development of the main protagonists. And their motivation are strong enough until the end because their hopes granted that "to reveal japan darkness" and so on. people may dislike the ending because of charadeaths but I'm more satisfied with that result because they didn't have anything to do if they were arrested. It's bittersweet ending. |
gedata said: Very good point, but they still would be needed to be taken seriously enough to even get their chance at a press conference. The bombings were all set up as specific targets to that the detectives against them would connect them to Project Athena and basically have their own way though it. |
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| The bombing part was not that useless considering they needed someone who can "keep up" with them. But even so i agree that it was rather mediocre. I would say the problem is the length of this series, but why they made it 11 episode instead of 12 or 13, or for better it can make it 2 cour instead so the character will gets more development and fleshed or the plot could be better. I am disappointed with Lisa's role, moreover with five. |
| So far (after 9 episodes) I agree, will probably end up rating it a 7 though. |
pakoko said: gedata said: I agree that in retrospect, much of the show feels somewhat pointless. I blame it on the length and the poor planning on the writer's part, but those alone shouldn't justify their mediocre execution of a show that could have been so much better. I do want to say that there are answers to all your questions, it's just that the show didn't have enough time to capitalize and emphasize most of them: Well I thank you for engaging what I had to say. I must say they really dropped the ball with the Sphinx/Shibazaki dynamic. They should've kept up with that the whole way through. Shiba explaining that he was their Oedipus at the end was rather heavy-handed and self-explanatory. Not sure why they did that. It's such a shame that the show's messages had so much thought put into them, yet the delivery was so blunt |
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| I'm really happy that I'm not the only one who find it hard to like, it was good, but I actually excepted more from it. = I ended with giving the show 7/10, which is not bad nor good. Like most of the people said, it wasn't excited enough, just compare Death Note anime vs Death Note movie, anime is way better because it was filmed better, so think about ZnT the same, it wasn't filmed so intense or anything... I actually thought it's going to be more interesting when five has came, but that feeling was only for 5 minutes or so. |
FunnyGames said: Actually a 7 means good.I ended with giving the show 7/10, which is not bad nor good. |
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| In retrospect yes it was quite underwhelming and a lot of thing could have been handheld a lot better :story ,pacing,character and character development wise... And just overall point of terrorists not killing any civilians/innocent bystanders,so that you wont dislike the 2 main protagonist in any way, felt so cookie-cutter ,wishy-washy, just all to safe. But considering the fact it is a original title not based on any manga/VN ,with a serious tone throughout its entire run-tine (no stupid comedy or petty jokes like you see in most anime nowadays) and that it did try to change the "bad guys playing cat and mouse with the police force" routine (for better or for worse tho) ,like you see in most action/thriller movies which tackle similar stories, it deserves some credit. Its still the weakest title Watanabe ever directed imho,even worse than Kids On Slope which was also a very underwhelming and clunky romance series. |
amateurSep 30, 2014 4:48 AM
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| From a technical point of view - soundtrack, graphics, direction - Zankyou no Terror was a true masterpiece. Too bad the same does not apply for the characters and the plot. Out of five main characters, only two - Twelve and Detective Shibazaki - have been decently developed. Five was probably the most noticeable screw-up of the series. She has little to no personality, apart from her desire to capture Nine - a desire that has no reason and that is not clarified to the spectator. Also, Five was merely a tool in the hands of the government, so how could she have so much power? She is also insane, yet everyone let her do as she pleases (almost) until the end. Nine was another huge disappointment. At the start he is presented as the clever and determined one, but something hints that there is more than that in him. Yet, at the end of the series the spectator must agree that there is actually nothing more, that he is just the clever and determined one. He has so the characterization of a second character, what a let-down. Speaking of Lisa, we can agree that she is as needed in the anime as Indiana Jones was in Raiders of the Lost Ark (to quote Sheldon). From the start to the end, she is absolutely useless. She doesn't do ANYTHING valuable, all she is good at is crying. She should not even be considered a main character. The plot of this anime is no better than its characters, in my opinion. The first episode was magnificent and made my expectations rise, but much to my disappointment the following four episodes were repetitive. They all had the same pattern: Sphinx places the bomb > then posts the riddle online > the police has to solve the riddle > consequences of the police's failure/victory... boring. And another thing I should mention, is that the whole riddle question sounds a bit artificial and exaggerated. Five's arrival didn't help much for the reasons I listed above when talking about her. Episodes nine, ten and eleven were better and worth being watched. Anyway, I think the plot itself should be questioned. There are way too many plot holes. Why does The Sphinx place bombs here and there if its only goal is to make the nation aware of the Athena Project? I could understand if Nine and Twelve were angry at the Japanese and wanted to blow stuff up, but they actually care about people, so why choose that dangerous and tangled way to reach their goal? The perfect example to this is episode five, when Nine has to deactive the bomb himself had placed. Which does not make much sense. gedata said: Another problem I had was with the final plan. An EMP nuke would probably kill plenty of people, like those that depend on pacers, or people at hospitals all over Japan, etc. You can't assume that frying the energy grid is a "safe" act of terrorism. The fact that literally no one died was a shitty attempt to whitewash what they had done.[/spoiler] This also explains well what I'm talking about. |
ReaperCreeper said: FunnyGames said: Actually a 7 means good.I ended with giving the show 7/10, which is not bad nor good. Not to me. >:( |
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Qans said: And i could say the same about many anime you liked (cg), to each their own buddyNyron said: No character development Lisa had no reason to be in the show at all Main characters' motivations were weak The climaxes of the series were genuinely unexciting It attempted to be as realistic as possible, but completely contradicted that with all of its gaping holes in logic No real resolution for any characters at all I liked that it put a lot of effort into the terrorism sequences and bombs, it seemed like they did a lot of research there but everything else? This show is a 6/10 at absolute best I'm really disappointed in Watanabe Ex-fucking-actly. What i've been trying to tell people. The only good thing about this show was the art. I think people like the idea of the show rather than the show itself |
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| If it wasnt for that ending i would have given 8/10. Dat ending. I am glad i didnt get to know the characters better, i am GLAD they didnt have a lot of character development. Why? Because then i would have died from the inside times more horribly than right now. Because when you know someone very very well and see them end like that it just kills you way more inside than seeing someone you knew die. Get my logic? Get it? Get it!! No one will be left without punishment. Causing that much trouble to people, making them scared, even that has a price. I could not have seen any other way - to be honest. Still 9/10 because it was nicely wrapped up and most rational way a show like this could have ended. And when i rewatch this at some point im sure i will find way more elements that i left unnoticed. Also the Northern Lights were beautiful. It was only few seconds but it was beautiful. Just imagine the things we cannot see because we are living in big cities. Slaves of conveniences.. . . |
LylaazSep 30, 2014 8:42 AM
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Lylaaz said: If it wasnt for that ending i would have given 8/10. Dat ending. I am glad i didnt get to know the characters better, i am GLAD they didnt have a lot of character development. Why? Because then i would have died from the inside times more horribly than right now. Because when you know someone very very well and see them end like that it just kills you way more inside than seeing someone you knew die. Get my logic? Get it? Get it!! No one will be left without punishment. Causing that much trouble to people, making them scared, even that has a price. I could not have seen any other way - to be honest. Still 9/10 because it was nicely wrapped up and most rational way a show like this could have ended. And when i rewatch this at some point im sure i will find way more elements that i left unnoticed. Also the Northern Lights were beautiful. It was only few seconds but it was beautiful. Just imagine the things we cannot see because we are living in big cities. Slaves of conveniences.. . . The Northern Lights bit was one of the most bullshit parts of the last episode. An atomic bomb goes off and then you can all of the sudden see the northern lights clearly through all the smog from the city and the debris and smoke from the bomb going off? It a dumb pseudo-intellectual comment on "society" and you know it. |
| Like Tokyo Ghoul of the same season, the best bits were the first and last episode. In between was a bit of a mess and went a tad bit downhill. Great uh visuals and music tho! Pretty disappointing show. |
SolviteSekai said: If only everyone in Mal did this...you should seriously just write a review next time. you dont have to make a thread to give your opinion. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
synd465 said: Lylaaz said: Also the Northern Lights were beautiful. It was only few seconds but it was beautiful. Just imagine the things we cannot see because we are living in big cities. Slaves of conveniences. The Northern Lights bit was one of the most bullshit parts of the last episode. An atomic bomb goes off and then you can all of the sudden see the northern lights clearly through all the smog from the city and the debris and smoke from the bomb going off? It a dumb pseudo-intellectual comment on "society" and you know it. It wasn't the Northern Lights, it was an artificial aurora. Starfish Prime and other high altitude nuclear explosions have produced them. I was actually surprised to see someone on the show had done their research considering how poorly written and implemented everything else was. High altitude nukes also create a spherical cloud as opposed to the stereotypical mushroom shaped ones; was glad to see this observed in the anime as well. But yeah, it was complete bullshit the skies were basically clear again just moments after the explosion. |
ToukaSep 30, 2014 1:37 PM
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YouAreNotSugoi said: Got a problem? Write a review. No one actually reads those, they just look at the score to justify their own opinion. |
| nah nig 12 is a hotty thats all that matters haha |
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Nyron said: No character development because it's just one arc. Do you expect it like Narutard? Nyron said: Five had no reason to be in the show at all ftfy Nyron said: Main characters' motivations were weak hm... So.. you like main characters who has "BECAUSE I HAVE TO PROTECT MY BELOVED FRIENDS!!! >;( " motivation, huh? Nyron said: The climaxes of the series were genuinely unexciting because 'MURICA Nyron said: It attempted to be as realistic as possible, but completely contradicted that with all of its gaping holes in logic oh, guess what? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8XSmSdvEK4 http://io9.com/5979709/an-aurora-caused-by-an-atomic-bomb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web-based_SSH http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php It's just you who is dumb enough. Nyron said: I liked that it put a lot of effort into the terrorism sequences and bombs, it seemed like they did a lot of research there look at the previous answer. Nyron said: No real resolution for any characters at all It has. The failed yet unpublished experiment got the public attention. The world questioned Japan's government The Human Rights Nyron said: but everything else? This show is a 6/10 at absolute best You didn't mention its "Ping Pong" OST level you didn't mention its cinematography you didn't mention Yoko Kano you didn't mention how realistic first four episode is. your opinion is rejected. Nyron said: I'm really disappointed in Watanabe Script: Hiroshi Seko (eps 4, 6, 9, 11) Jun Kumagai (eps 5, 7) Kenta Ihara (eps 8, 10) Shōten Yano (eps 1-3) you should blame Hiroshi Jun Kumagai for trashing this show. |
| Since when characters with motivation to save their friends are bad? And I agree that their motivations weren't the strongest ones. I feel like they should have been more traumatized or that show would have shown something more painful in their backstories to make their motivations seem a tiny bit more realistic. It it had 25 episodes it would have been a fucking masterpiece. But 11 episodes are terribly short. |
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| I'd go as far as to say ZnT was legitimately bad. It doesn't explore any of its themes (they're all relegated to plot devices), its characters are all terrible except for maybe Shibazaki and Twelve, who are still pretty mediocre and flat, and the plot is really just a bunch of threads that are loosely related but never really come together. Also, lol at that insanely ham-fisted ending. VON LOOK IT'S HOPE WE'RE BEIN DEEP N SYMBOLIC N SHIT GUYS NO SRSLY |
Touka said: synd465 said: The Northern Lights bit was one of the most bullshit parts of the last episode. An atomic bomb goes off and then you can all of the sudden see the northern lights clearly through all the smog from the city and the debris and smoke from the bomb going off? It a dumb pseudo-intellectual comment on "society" and you know it. It wasn't the Northern Lights, it was an artificial aurora. Starfish Prime and other high altitude nuclear explosions have produced them. I was actually surprised to see someone on the show had done their research considering how poorly written and implemented everything else was. High altitude nukes also create a spherical cloud as opposed to the stereotypical mushroom shaped ones; was glad to see this observed in the anime as well. But yeah, it was complete bullshit the skies were basically clear again just moments after the explosion. Oh, fair enough. I did not know about that phenomena so thanks for the info. |
| Well said, I completely agree with OP. |
| That OST tho... <3_<3 |
| I agree. Why the hell did 12 give Lisa the bomb in the first place? It's odd how they go from meticulously planning every single move to acting on a self destructive whim in the blink of an eye. Lisa wasn't a necessary character (although I did like her, she was a sweetie). The fact that 5 could do whatever the fuck she pleased with no consequences was ridiculous. The chess game... I'll just forget that ever happened. I think the show would've been better if the detective squared off against 9/12 for the entirety of the show in a cat/mouse game. Everyone single inch of Japan is covered by recorded video or some sort of magic. How did 5 know that LIsa was living at their apartment? How did she even know where the apartment was in the first place? How in the hell did she have camera footage of Lisa exiting that run down arcade? If she knew they were there, shouldn't she have taken the initiative and arrested them sooner? Despite all that, I still enjoyed watching this anime. It was fun and engaging. |
much_kawaii said: That OST tho... <3_<3 |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| I wanted to love it, but I couldn't. Though I did like the show, I agree with the OP. The final "showdown" with 5ive was anti-climactic. Lisa was.. useless pretty much. Lovely animation and music though |
| I agree. After this and Space Dandy, I think Mr. Cowboy Champloo has lost his touch. Faith lost. |
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| If we look realistically, it indeed has many flaws, yet it's still amazing as hell. Must be the aesthetic appeal... |
| Also, why the hell was there even a bomb at the airport all they had to do was lure them in; there was no point setting it off and losing all that $$ |
| The series itself was really good. The main cast were all really strong in their roles if you ask me. Been one of the best suspense anime of the last couple of years, it always left me hanging when the episode ended with it's nasty nasty cliffhangers XD |
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| On some levels I can see where you're coming from cause this did remind me a lot of cowboy bebop (which i didnt like and much and gave 6/10) but i feel like this was very solid overall. In a way Lisa didn't have to be in the series but she was important to 9 and 12 as a person. Plus she did contribute to the story (not in the best way but as in the damsel in distress half the time) and made it a little more interesting in my view. I also sorta agree with you on the point of character development. We dont get to know 9 and 12 more than their back story but i feel like watching them and observing how they act under the different situations we see how they are and how they change. I thought their motives were actually very good. Until the ending i didnt get it but when they pointed out that the reason was to expose the child testing they went through i felt that was reason enough for causing a bunch of explosions and destroying a lot of things. I would say there was some resolution for the characters. I mean yeah 9 and 12 died but their goal was achieved which is enough in my view. Lisa sorta goes on with her life and i'm guessing going through all that she changed as a person (idk but i'm guessing). Side note, anyone wanna explain why 5 kissed 9 then killed herself cause that baffled me. like that was pretty unnecessary and sorta made her character seem illogical. |
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LegnaOnFire said: Nyron said: I posted a half-dozen solid criticisms of the series. How is this thread vague? And 6/10 by definition is mediocre. Are you daft? It is subjetive, but 6/10 isn't mediocre, it is something you enjoyed but you didn't like how it ended. 5 is bad, anything under 4 is plain shit nobody should ever watch. Again, it is subjetive... That's gaming sites rating system. Mediocre is 5. |
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bastek66 said: LegnaOnFire said: It is subjetive, but 6/10 isn't mediocre, it is something you enjoyed but you didn't like how it ended. 5 is bad, anything under 4 is plain shit nobody should ever watch. Again, it is subjetive... That's gaming sites rating system. Mediocre is 5. Everyone has their own rating system. For me, 10 is my favorites, 9 are amazing (like 10 but not fav's), 8 are really interesting. Here it stops, 7 are anime that had potential to become great, but somewhere it misses it, yes, it's better than all other anime, but worse than the good, simply original. And 6- are simply bad anime, maybe it had something, but really boring as the score goes down. So as somebody has told me, 7 is "good", maybe according to the MAL "naming" score, but nor for me, you can call it good, but I wouldn't really recommend it to someone, I would simply say: "Watch it to just know the anime" or "Watch it at your own risk". But yeah, it is original. |
vrist said: i'll say it again, Lelouch's half sister who is in a wheelchair and blind is more bearable to watch than Lisa. No, burn that bitch. Lisa > any of Code Geass's female characters |
| Agree about the Lisa part but still a good show and not too unrealistic. |
| The OP hit the nail on the head with the points he brought up. There is nothing more I can add or say to express my overall feelings about the show. It wasn't bad, I did enjoy it on some level, but it wasn't remarkable either. The animation and soundtrack were the saving grace of an otherwise lackluster and forgettable anime. |
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