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| Do people even understand what "show don't tell" even mean? The scene was about Pitou narrating the story to gon. How would they 'show' it? By having Pitou personally say it? Still narration. By using flashbacks? Still narration. In this case, telling is showing. Also, how would they 'show' the internal feelings and emotions? The scene with Youpi was a few minutes, how would they "show" how he felt... give him some seizure or something? Netero doesn't want to talk because talk no jutsu won't work. Sorry. There's no reasoning with someone who sees humans as livestock. Have we ever had people who preached about not killing the cows in our world? We call them vegetarians, and cows still get killed. A newborn ant with naive ideas, at least according to him. And he just said why he can't sit and talk, he was commissioned by governments to assassinate him. Regardless of his own feelings or whether the King ends up being more ant-like or human, he has to kill him. They said a dozen episodes ago that it's okay if only 1 out of these 4 ants die... as long as that's the king, and the rest of the extermination group (who's job was literally "separate the guards from the king") fails can be dealt with later. I don't see how sparing the girl contradicts with... anything. It does feel weird that the Chairman is so sure of winning, just like how the hunters were last episode... like I said there must be something going on. |
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| I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. |
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tsudecimo said: I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. The next one is Octobro dedicated though. |
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| @Moonlit-striker Do you even watch the episode? Where did your belief that Netero considers Meruem evil come from? Did you even not see where he says the King is between 2 sides ant-human and taht he doesn't even realize that both are incompatible...but no matter which side he falls in the outcome will be the same....meaning it doesn't even matter if he is good or evil...Did you put any thought to that or what that means or what is the outcome? Did you even read that in my post that you quoted or ignored it? Wise people are exacltly wise because they take wise actions in any given situation.... And in this situation the wise action is to fight (if you actually will consider the whole situation and overall picture here not only individual outlines)... Meruem just told him what he is thinking on doing... what are you talking about? Of course it is bad for the mission..... You can never have 2 "monarchs" can you? Also Netero doesn't have much time for discussion either you will have to see why though.... And other reasons of why he can't talk were pointed out in the previous post (also just think about the current world order and political/social structure and who gave Netero his orders and why.... think about the implications there not only for Netero or Hunter's Organization) |
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tsudecimo said: I was watching this, full expecting to enjoy it, since I really liked it in the manga. Why madhouse why. Why did they change how the first attack went. It was simply just Netero's hand movement, then immediately after it he chopped the King. That's why it was unexpected and why the King didn't see it coming. But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. I'm also not really liking Netero's new voice actor, he makes Netero feel like a different character all together. R.I.P original VA. Well the good decision imo, is that they decided to give the whole episode and the next one hopefully, to the King vs Netero, as opposed to the manga, where they showed it, with the ending of Youpi's fight at the same time. Actually the attack was in a fraction of a second...time froze.... We can clearly deduce taht and see it (in the animation itself Meruem's face froze) based on Netero's past and attack in the episode 111.... |
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Moonlit-Striker said: "It is exactly because he is wise that he doesn't want to talk to Meruem" Uh. What? If anything, wise people would hear another out. That's Netero's problem here: he's too fixated and convinced on an assumption that could change at any time. He comes in with the preconceived notion that the King is evil and/or to be eliminated based on what is given, and won't think about it again. He won't think differently. I mean, is Netero in harm's way so much that talking with Meruem could harm the mission? Not rhetorical, just asking the question. There's your answer. Wise not as in making some god-given correct answer, but as in being a cynical old man whose experiences taught him to realize what notions like these bring. Hence why I consider it grey. 'Cause, look, he won't have any real way to say what Meruem is really planning 'cause he won't know it. He hasn't talked with him yet. He can't make any pre conceived assumptions. He doesn't know the King; there's even no guarantee that's what Meruem is thinking. We know nothing of it - his plan - beyond a casual explanation. And if Meruem ends up with a plan exactly like Netero thought, he could also use the conversation to sway and persuade Meruem to think differently. That's what discussions, that's what talking is for. Just something I thought of though. 1) He knows, the King considers himself on top of the food chain, this little compromise of selecting who he wants to spare isn't gonna do. And like I said in my post above, we all know too well this isn't gonna change. The king's duality makes him conflicted, at any moment, he could tip either way, and whatever argument he had with whichever side is moot. 2) He did not consider him evil. Just a threat, regardless of which nature he adopts. He specifically said that HE is the one doing the dirty work. Again, not so black and white. 3) If the show was battle-hungry, this whole invasion would have turned out differently. But ironically the wise decision to not discuss things with this King specifically. |
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soundscape said: Actually the attack was in a fraction of a second...time froze.... We can clearly deduce taht and see it (in the animation itself Meruem's face froze) based on Netero's past and attack in the episode 111.... I realize that but that wasn't in the manga. Time didn't freeze per se, in the manga or at least that what interpreted from it. The King saw the hand movements and then got chopped in an instant. In the anime, after the hand movements, we see the king watching that yellow aura expanding and the statue forming, for a while, until he finally gets chopped. I don't know, I guess it's not a big deal, but I thought the added scenes, ruined that moment. Because it was supposed to be shocking, fast and unexpected for the reader as well. http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_10.jpg?v=11227773808 http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_11.jpg?v=11227773808 http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/44/27-288.0/compressed/hunter_12_13.jpg?v=11227773808 |
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| Really amazing episode, just what I want to see, the beginning of an epic battle. But I'm starting to think that this fight will end with no true winner, even if I highly want Netero to win. Now, I hope we will see Gon vs Pitou very soon, just like him, I'm starting to run out of patience too xD |
| @tsudecimo Yea you might be right but it's not that big of a deal.... still we can understand it's faaaaaast :) |
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tsudecimo said: Pretty much the same thing happened with ep. 115, where things were waaay slower than they needed to be/already were in the manga, just so they could do something special for the episode that followed. (I'm sure that'll apply here as well.)But in the anime, Netero took his sweet time to do it. It makes no sense for the King not to avoid it in the anime. The same goes for the second attack. |
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| Great ep!! I like Netero's new voice |
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| I think Netero doesn't give a damn about who's right or wrong politically. Things change. And if it's time for the ants to be the dominant species, then so be it. He just want to have a one last damn good fight. ^_^ If I remember it correctly, it's Netero who allowed a mad murderer like Hisoka to take the hunter exam when the chairperson before him didn't. |
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ReadyJoan said: The Ant King is incredibly powerful. If talking could convince him, which he does not know it wouldn't, then talking is the wise thing to do, esp when he has to bait him into even fighting at all. Even if he's been hired by somebody to kill him, he just said in this episode that they plan to make the hunter association take the blame for all of it. Someone said how do you show internal feelings without narration. I'm talking about the NARRATOR not their inner monologue. Inner monologue is fine. The narration is what annoys me. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so constant. As for Gon, up til now he has been a pretty happy go lucky kid and moral. He met Kite when he was little, he did not know him. It's not like he grew up with him or anything. I get Gon likes him, I like Kite too, but he was not in the show that much for Gon to have this much of an overwhelming emotional reaction. I mean, what would Gon do if something happened to Killua?? Go apeshit and kill everyone in a three block radius bc he's soooo blinded by rage? If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. Respected opinion. I disagree, we have different persepctives and understanding of things. Nice talking to you though. Just don't have the time to continue the pointless debate, my points have been made. |
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ReadyJoan said: Well then, watching this might feel like a lost cause.If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. |
GalekCMar 29, 2014 12:58 PM
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GalekC said: ReadyJoan said: Just the stuff surrounding that particular part is what I'm talking about.GalekC said: ReadyJoan said: Well then, watching this might feel like a lost cause.If Gon knew Kite more than that in the original show/manga, ok, but I'm only watching this show and that's where my judgment is coming from. Is it that bad of an adaptation?? DAFQ is this?! Kite is Gon's idol, hero figure (possibly father figure), his reason for being a hunter, opening his view of the world to more than just whale island and he saved his life. Kite's death was his and killua's fault for being conceited, weak and total idiots thinking they were truly strong. http://www.mangareader.net/207-14207-16/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-198.html Gon just feels super guilty and blames himself for everything to the point of insanity. In the manga he was introduced in the 1st chapter and came back 180+ chapters later and in the anime he appeared after greed island and had a flashback, the anime did his appearance and character better. |
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| It's not about whether he can or can't convince him (though I'm pretty sure he can NOT), but even if he miraculously did succeed, the King's unstable personality would eventually shift in either direction and it's all for naught. Anything that can be said now is pointless, the only thing it can happen is weaken their resolve or "sway" them. And like I said, there must be another factor that they are hiding. I'm sure of it. |
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ichii_1 said: Late night last night...was going to try and say all that you just said, anyway. (Don't listen to me - listen to ichii instead, Joan.)DAFQ is this?! Kite is Gon's idol, hero figure (possibly father figure), his reason for being a hunter, opening his view of the world to more than just whale island and he saved his life. Kite's death was his and killua's fault for being conceited, weak and total idiots thinking they were truly strong. http://www.mangareader.net/207-14207-16/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-198.html Gon just feels super guilty and blames himself for everything to the point of insanity. In the manga he was introduced in the 1st chapter and came back 180+ chapters later and in the anime he appeared after greed island and had a flashback, the anime did his appearance and character better. |
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| God damn, so much bad assery in one scene. The wait was worth it, Netero is one of my favorite characters in HxH and he has one of the best fights in the manga. The replacement voice actor did a pretty good job though I miss the other guy, R.I.P. :(. Can't wait for the next episode it's going to be crazy. |
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| I was thinking about it, but most of the Chimera Ants are at least partially based on an animal right? So, what exactly is the King based off of? The shell on his head reminds me of a turtle, but I don't know. |
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| Netero is fuckin awesome. I didn't even notice he got a new seiyuu lol |
insan3Spectre said: A possible mix of each species that the Queen ate?I was thinking about it, but most of the Chimera Ants are at least partially based on an animal right? So, what exactly is the King based off of? The shell on his head reminds me of a turtle, but I don't know. |
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GalekC said: insan3Spectre said: A possible mix of each species that the Queen ate?I was thinking about it, but most of the Chimera Ants are at least partially based on an animal right? So, what exactly is the King based off of? The shell on his head reminds me of a turtle, but I don't know. Could very well be, would make sense considering his role as King. |
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kcaco said: MSV said: tsudecimo said: It only showed the Buddha statue like I said, nothing about the stance and how the power works. I'm kind surprised that Chiriku's was anime only. Whoever came up with it, should have worked with Kishi. If you're asking about how the technique works and how it's connected to the hand movements and such, You're answer is that it happened at the very start of the invasion when Netero attacked Pitou at chapter 264: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v25/c264/12.html The statue itself wasn't shown, but it was an emitter attack from it. Also this chapter was released on November 17th, 2007. So it was before that Shippuden filler episode which was realsed on August 28th, 2008. Yes I found it silly that there's even these 'who rips off who' talk to begin with (trolling or not), and people making a big deal out of it (and an obvious few who's determine to undermine HxH in any opportunity they get out of stupid spite or grudge). It must be a cultural thing because there's rarely dispute like this in the Asian HxH fan forums, because Buddhism imagery is so common, it's just something most people there grew up with. The 'Buddha" behind Netero is Guanyin with the thousand hand...basic google search brings you a tons of images and video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quan_Am_1656.jpg http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/619663/619663,1304447772,1/stock-photo-guan-yin-with-ten-thousand-hands-76557964.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHmSdpjEIk Figure like this is just part of the culture, it's a symbol of mercy and it's not that original (but certainly a well written stance and setup that goes well with Netero's background and characterization, and certainly very nicely design and looked epic). It's so familiar in the East that no one bat an eye there and will silly enough to lay claim which Japanese mangaka or anime came up with it first or not...that's just giving TOO much credit to pop culture. Because classic Chinese literature has already appropriate it in entertainment form for years (Sword Fantasy novels, classic fantasy novel Journey to the West) etc. Exactly. Finally someone with brains. It seems to me such stupid debates of "copying" come from people with little knowledge and understanding of mythology and figures or stories connected to such things. I guess mostly people that come from relatively new countries with little culture and history like the USA, don't easily get such things. The Budda attack with hands also exist in games and in One Piece etc. It exist in many things because is part of their culture. Naruto is full of such references, just Google Izanami,Izanagi,Orochimaru,Jiraiya, Sasuke etc. Names of legendary ninjas in ancient Japan or myths etc. Naruto is full of this stuff. Togashi at some parts takes from such mythos and stories too. Dragonball also was inspired by old Chinese mythos since Son-kogu is a monkey in chinese folklore(it also exist in Naruto). Magi is inspired by Arabian stories and the myths of genies and Aladdin and Sindbad(no Disney didn't make this stories, they got inspired by the stories also). This authors are inspired by cultures and folklore and put such things in their stories. Why are you people so stupid and can't realize such things? People arguing about copying etc here are absolutely ridiculous. Also i noticed it always happen in Hunter x Hunter forums because the Togashi fanboys are keen to say on how everyone copies him etc cause they have him like a God or something ad whatever others ever did MUST have copied there God or something. |
| Yes we know they exist in mythologies, but the timing of it is too convenient. We'll never really know though. Oh and if I recall correctly it was one piece fans who made a claim that netero's power ripped off sengoku's (despite coming first but not the point). So if there's anything bad in this community, it's the influx of one piece fanboys too insecure to let it go. (Who are ironically just now whining about FT copying their revered series). Oh and just because this might not be copied, doesn't mean the rest isn't. Like the chunin's forest of death. |
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| I had heard that Netero's voice actor died but I didn't know how soon the new VA was taking over. While I noticed a slight difference, I Honestly didn't realize that the new VA was in this episode until I came on here. Interesting to see how much the king has developed and his new viewpoint of humans. How little Netero's attacks affected the king does not bode well for him. |
insan3Spectre said: GalekC said: insan3Spectre said: A possible mix of each species that the Queen ate?I was thinking about it, but most of the Chimera Ants are at least partially based on an animal right? So, what exactly is the King based off of? The shell on his head reminds me of a turtle, but I don't know. Could very well be, would make sense considering his role as King. Isn't it obvious that Meruem's character design pays homage to DBZ's Cell? The Queen... ate Cell. Loved this episode. Didn't notice Netero's new VA. Youpi is growing on me. Gon is still staring. The next ep previews keep getting cuter! |
| Easily the best episode since 116. Man, Netero is made of awesome, and Meruem really is just a brat, even though a genius and extremely powerful one. RIP old Netero VA tho, he was definitely more fitted for the character. The real highlight were the Royal Guards, and more particularly Pouf. I liked the stark contrast between his and the other two's idea of how one should be loyal to the King and what's best for him. While Pitou (and Youpi now that he's started maturing) seem to have a very selfess and somewhat "human" kind of dedication to Meruem, Pouf on the other appears to be way more on the selfish side, being more devoted to the idea of what the King represents than to the King himself. Which would explain why he'd be distraught at the thought that a vulgar human peasant like Komugi would just come and change Meruem, bringing him further away from that perfect image of the perfect Ant King he always had in mind, and also why he'd be wary of the changes occuring in Pitou and Youpi. Really liking the complexity of the antagonists, here. |
SapewlothJul 22, 2014 1:49 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Would I be right in thinking Pouf is your favorite of the main four Chimera Ants? I definitely prefer the King but it's cool to see Pouf get some love. I really like his character myself. |
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| Yeah, he's probably my favorite of the four, even though Meruem isn't far behind. I just love his crazy antics and his deceitful personality. The show did a crazy good job at fleshing out his character and motivations. Wut? Pouf doesn't get no love, usually? |
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Sapewloth said: Yeah, he's probably my favorite of the four, even though Meruem isn't far behind. I just love his crazy antics and his deceitful personality. The show did a crazy good job at fleshing out his character and motivations. Wut? Pouf doesn't get no love, usually? aw i love that Pouf is your favorite. He gets a lot of hate for being the villain with no redeeming quality (and his gay dramatic behaviors lol). I personally find him to be the most interesting of the 4. |
| @ Sapewloth Not from what I've seen. Some people don't like his dramatic nature when it comes to Meruem and some like him as a "character you are supposed to hate". I don't fall in either camp, though. I just find his fanaticism interesting and I think, at heart, he believes he has the best interests of his King at heart. The problem is that, like you said, he's more devoted to his "ideal" of what the King should be rather than the actual individual. So, yeah, I think I like Pitou more personally. But, Pouf is most definitely the most purely interesting of the Royal Guards. Then again, I find all three of them to be intriguing characters. edit: For the record, I think there is more to say regarding Pouf. But, since this is only episod 122, I'll stop right here. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jun 23, 2014 4:43 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| The anime really changed my perspective on the King, Pouf, and Youpi for the better. Nothing to say about Pitou, s/he's always been my favorite. |
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| I don't know, it may have something to do with experiencing the characters in the anime first, but I like all four of them a lot in both versions. Though, Pouf's "outbursts" are on an obviously different level in the anime. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| It's finally getting to the best stuff. Wonder if the arc will end without killing the Royal Guards and King. |
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| You know, I don't buy Meruem's change that much. It's hypocritical to point out the selfishness/arrogance of others when he's extremely selfish/arrogant in his own right. Sure, he might be willing to spare those he deems worthy, but how exactly does that translate? Let's look again: >He'll spare those he deems worthy.< There's no way I'd trust that. I don't blame Netero for fighting him. He's entirely too dangerous. I hope Netero can defeat him. It seems like a fairly even match-up. |
| Honestly, I would argue that him sitting down and wanting to talk actually shows a bit of humility. It's true that his idea of "sparing those that deserve it" is a very slippery slope, but if Komugi could influence him in a manner that would even cause him to act so differently from his initial "all humans are a source of food" attitude, what could a man like Netero (who Meruem has already shown interest in) influence him to do? Of course, Netero is worried about the possibility of himbeing swayed and he's just not in a position to even think about settling things in a diplomatic way. Or, maybe Komugi is just special. But, it's still interesting to think about imo. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Would he sit down with someone far weaker and more "insignificant" than Netero? That would be humility, to me. Maybe if he sat down with someone like the chess or shogi masters he killed, that might convince me. He thinks he deserves power, which is the exact problem the "greedy" who "do nothing" have. His motives still feel more self-serving than selfless (again, to me), but I may be wrong. I don't think it's impossible for him to change. As for him ruling the world, though, I wouldn't support it. |
TripleSRank said: Would he sit down with someone far weaker and more "insignificant" than Netero? That would be humility, to me. Maybe if he sat down with someone like the chess or shogi masters he killed, that might convince me. He thinks he deserves power, which is the exact problem the "greedy" who "do nothing" have. His motives still feel more self-serving than selfless (again, to me), but I may be wrong. I don't think it's impossible for him to change. As for him ruling the world, though, I wouldn't support it. He's still arrogant as hell but Meruem is clearly becoming a lot more selfless here. A few episodes ago he was killing people left and right. Now the guy wants to sit down and talk thinks out regarding the fate of humanity. I'd say that's quite the change. But you also have to keep in mind that he's also basing his actions on the survival of the ants -- that they stay on top. So yeah, it's rather selfish but he's doing what a king is supposed to do in the Chimera Ant line. |
jreginald said: TripleSRank said: Would he sit down with someone far weaker and more "insignificant" than Netero? That would be humility, to me. Maybe if he sat down with someone like the chess or shogi masters he killed, that might convince me. He thinks he deserves power, which is the exact problem the "greedy" who "do nothing" have. His motives still feel more self-serving than selfless (again, to me), but I may be wrong. I don't think it's impossible for him to change. As for him ruling the world, though, I wouldn't support it. He's still arrogant as **** but Meruem is clearly becoming a lot more selfless here. A few episodes ago he was killing people left and right. Now the guy wants to sit down and talk thinks out regarding the fate of humanity. I'd say that's quite the change. But you also have to keep in mind that he's also basing his actions on the survival of the ants -- that they stay on top. So yeah, it's rather selfish but he's doing what a king is supposed to do in the Chimera Ant line. You can't justify the killing/selfishness with the animal side. As I mention in the episode 125 discussion, when a dog bites someone (let alone kills someone), what do we do? We kill the dog. That's why Netero commented that it didn't matter whether Meruem ended up falling more on the animal side or human side. Meruem's being selfish, and he intends to murder to satisfy that selfishness. That he's now willing to talk is an interesting development, but unless he changes even more, he still needs to die. From what we've seen, he's not going to back down on conquering the world, so the offer to talk is pretty useless. |
TripleSRankJul 3, 2014 10:21 PM
babymilo91 said: His name was revealed earlier just as the Chimera Ant Queen died. Meruem was his name.Yes then Netero and King fight is underway. I would like to know what the King's name is. |
| Buddha vs Cell, what an awesome fight. |
| The good guys are sounding more and more like the villains while the villains are turning into good guys o.o.. |
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