| Post any characters or series to add to the club's relations. Also if you disagree with a relation post here. |
| Looks pretty awesome so far. One thing, though. Out of all of the characters in Haibane Renmei, why Kuu? |
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| joined to ask this: why is code geass not on the list? |
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thornsap said: why should it be?joined to ask this: why is code geass not on the list? |
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| A good series to add to club relations would be RahXephon. |
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| I'm surprised it isn't there but Berserk is full of very deep thoughts about life and fate (and gore). And then I would also add xxxHolic, at least the manga. Ok, it's not extraordinary, but it got me surprised a few times with a few thoughts here ant there that completely caught me off guard (especially about fate and how you can compare myths to everyday's life). And then, someone asked why Code Geass wasn't here, and then someone else answered "Why should it". Try R2 episode 21. So yeah, all I had to say ^.^ After edit : Nevermind last sentence, something's still missing. Fullmetal Alchemist. All is one and One is all pretty much was my first real introdution to the world of philosophy and never let go of me. I think it's worth a mension. Oh, and why in th world isn't Tengen Toppa Guren Lagann there? Ok, the first half was more to introduce the charachters and set the pace but the later half now... It's all philsosohpy! If NGE is there, then TTGL deserves it too (and I hold NGE in a unfathombly high esteem). |
WazaJul 3, 2009 2:37 PM
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| What about the series that tries to be philosophical but fails? Should it still be one the list (example of one that does, RahXephon). |
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| What about Elfen Lied? Why isn't that on here? |
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Waza said: No. Just no. Especially TTGL.And then, someone asked why Code Geass wasn't here, and then someone else answered "Why should it". Try R2 episode 21. So yeah, all I had to say ^.^ After edit : Nevermind last sentence, something's still missing. Fullmetal Alchemist. All is one and One is all pretty much was my first real introdution to the world of philosophy and never let go of me. I think it's worth a mension. Oh, and why in th world isn't Tengen Toppa Guren Lagann there? Ok, the first half was more to introduce the charachters and set the pace but the later half now... It's all philsosohpy! If NGE is there, then TTGL deserves it too (and I hold NGE in a unfathombly high esteem). Anyway Narutaru could probably be included (on the basis that Bokurano is already included), as could Paranoia Agent. Also, Angel's Egg and Cat Soup (I think, it's pretty hard to understand without subtitles of any kind) are definitely philosophical. |
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| As was stated in the elfen lied thread there's still a certain confusion surrounding the subject of what a philosophical anime/manga contains. Still in the end it was decided to keep the list somewhat casual so i'll go ahead and read the Amatsuki manga and then state my opinion. I see you don't have almost any anime on your list. There are plenty of very interesting anime you could watch and then compare to the manga you are reading. This can help you decide wether or not the subject of your manga is important enough to add to this clubs list. |
| In regard of the Elfen Lied discussion... I suggest Black Lagoon. Why? Well, it's not overly "philosophical", but I think it could fit [seeing as stuff like AKIRA, Nausicaa etc. are on it as well], as it does touch some philosophical questions/approaches. I think that could be described as slightly philosophical. Surely it's no philosophical disquisition by any means, but since "the list" is supposed to be kept more or less casual... well, that's my two cents. Further elaboration on what I'm talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lagoon#Themes |
LucifelOct 16, 2009 8:32 AM
| "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club |
| Well the more or less casual bit is really annoying me atm. I think we should at least add anime/manga that approach philosophical subjects on a recurring basis (do these words make sense <.<.... >.> sry if they do not i'm a bit sleepy). If a series only lightly touches philosophical subjects in say 3-4-5 episodes out of 21-26 then it is not eligible for the club in my opinion. However if said series contains a small portion of philosophy in the majority of its episodes (even if only to bring up the subject not necessarily commenting it) then we may discuss whether or not to add it to the list. If the anime/manga follows through with one subject then it should be on the list. This is only my personal opinion on the meaning of the term "casual" so feel free to do as you wish regardless. I haven't watched Black Lagoon yet so i'll let you decide what category the anime belongs too. Edit: I'm pretty sure some of the above sentences are formulated oddly, but i'm too sleepy to try and fix them right now. If there's something you don't understand i'll do my best to try and sort things out later. |
| As I said, it's debatable... and I certainly won't insist on it being added. |
| "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything." - Tyler Durden, Fight Club |
| Well i usually tend to find ideas wherever i look. I can find something worthwhile in most of the things i see even if the author didn't make it a main theme. A worthy example imho is Bleach. Allthough the inconsistent powerscaling and the latter arcs are increasingly silly there is still something of value in the series. Most of you would disagree that bleach contains such subject but i'm going to try and name some of the ones i've identified: -The difference between our animal nature and the way we suppress it, separating ourselves from it a) the instinct driven animal - hollow b) the "higher" energy beings originating from humans - shinigami c) the normal human being with the possibility of becoming either of these d) whether or not by transcending our bodies we lose our animal side - vaizoreds You can have a lengthy discussion on these subjects alone. The fact that these subjects aren't thoroughly explored in the anime/manga does not mean they were not introduced on purpose. .................................... In the end maybe it's just me seeing things that are not there. Either way in my opinion if we were to use Bleach as an example i would classify it inbetween the second and third personal aformentioned categories. This just goes to show that even those categories are lacking since first and foremost bleach isn't philosophy oriented. Can we still say that an anime/manga is philosophical based solely on whether or not it has an elaborate philosophical subject? And thus the debate continues.......... |
| While I think there is plenty within the Naruto realm that is worthy of philosphical discussion, I'm don't think the show itself explores any of the themes it raises. One of its most powerful themes is its approach to human community. Who is in; who is out? What makes a family? How important is it to rely upon others? to have others to protect? |
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| necro-replying :s but w/e Pyro_DarkNicto said: thornsap said: why should it be?joined to ask this: why is code geass not on the list? well...i think that the second season is very philosophical, though it is somewhat final in whether lelouch is right or not. the anime portrays him as a hero, or anti hero, or tragic hero, however you see him, but does he actually do what is right? |
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| I'm surprised that Homunculus hasn't been suggested yet, so here I am officially releasing it's campaign. If anyone is wondering why, just read it :) |
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| Well this is my first post in this Club, so I hope I don't make any mistake^^ At first I have a question: What makes an Anime realted to this club? Should it just contain philosophical themes, or should they be the main aim of this anime, or shoud they just be discussed a bit, or should they only make you think about new philosophical themes? There are also some Animes, where I can see quite many philosophical themes. .hack//sign Chaos;Head Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu |
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| The Ravages of Time should definitely be added to the list. Just to quote from wikipedia: The story of The Ravages of Time revolves around the famous battles in the Three Kingdoms era, military doctrines, mind-games, ethics and philosophy. I guess most people don't read manhua, but I thought you guys might dig this. |
| About Suzumiya Haruhi: careful to don't mistake surrealism with philosophical themes. It surely have some, but the main plot approach is using surreal elements I agree with you, Merridian, but about not being finished, let's remember that interpretation and deduction are meant to be done personally by each person, although I'm clearly speaking seriously, and avoiding obvious absurd theories made out of nothing, based on the "emptyness" of the end People in this club are supposed to serious, right? |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
Tentei said: There are also some Animes, where I can see quite many philosophical themes. .hack//sign Chaos;Head Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu .hack//sign have personal values and impressions for playing disorders. Taking these out, is a surrealistic story, approaching the MMORPG theme and real-life-scaping, with the mystery element of Tsukasa being unableto disconnect, real deaths coused by the game, the Twilight Key, and so on. Tehy're mistery to me, not philosophy Suzumiya Haruhi I have spoke in a post right below Chaos Head I agree, but for personal reasons.If I hadn't myself the mind problems and character/idea identifications, it would be same case of .hack//sign: a surreal story meant for few people who have own private reasons to go deeper on it. Except, maybe, the concept of isolating and controling the senses, like Descartes said that we could bea bunch of brains floating on water barrels. This is an interesting topic, but I don't know if others will accept it, specially because it is not exactly the main focus of the series |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
| Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? |
| Anything can make a fine topic of debate. So do that. |
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creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
fredi-sj said: creon said: Is Full Metal Alchemy not Philosophical enough? hmm...? A battle versus Seven Deadly Sins and Dante (you know the real Dante right?) Idk about you guys but i sure made me think about -Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. The Law of Equivalence sure make a fine topoic for a debate. What do you think? This "Law" has it's variations of belief and interpretation in real world, probably the most known is the "Karma" from Eastern religions but didn't Dante also said that this 'Law' is a fallacy. For example, if a farmer did his best in planting crops but then a storm came and ruin his field. The farmer didn't gain anything after all his efforts in planting. |
Kaiserpingvin said: Anything can make a fine topic of debate. So do that. Thank you for your permission *bow* |
Merridian said: fredi-sj said: I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here. When I referred to the Haruhi franchise as unfinished, I was referring to the actual story, not any sort of interpretation. The novels haven't concluded yet, and at the moment I have no reason to doubt that KyoAni will continue with its animated adaptations. In relation to what I was getting at, I was merely stating that there's a pretty big philosophical idea present in the story, but it's rather subdued and looming as a sort of presence rather than being explicitly explored in any concrete manner. And given how the novels have been turning out, it’s difficult to say how Tanigawa will swing with things. I agree with you, Merridian, but about not being finished, let's remember that interpretation and deduction are meant to be done personally by each person, although I'm clearly speaking seriously, and avoiding obvious absurd theories made out of nothing, based on the "emptyness" of the end (sorry about late reply to this) are you talking about The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya? *lost* |
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| I have no idea Suzumiya Haruhi was a Light Novel, and, sorry for my words, it is the nth time that the conclusion of the Manga/Novel is used as argument to reinforce a potential flaw on a series Specially because I watched the 2nd season and there are 7 episodes almost equal, one to another I respect your opinion but the hold interpretation of the facts went down with the 2nd season and the movie just turned it into a mess. It's not wrong to say, up to this point, that each object is interpretated a number of times equal to the watchers + 1 (Plato). In Suzumiya's case, we interpretate 1st season one way (where all the events are around her crush upon Kyon), 2nd season other way (where this crush isn't so explored and the facts are exposed exploring the powers and ramdomness of slice-of-life of a girl with godlike powers), and the movie itself just expose a 3rd reality suggesting it never existed at all. Making that sequel is, for me, a trial to earn money, like the "Lost" series (I never watched it) or "The Cube". Of those three, 1st season is the best because we can find a acceptable meaning for the events My opinion, and, although not "proven", makes all sense, but anyone could disagree |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
C25 said: but didn't Dante also said that this 'Law' is a fallacy. For example, if a farmer did his best in planting crops but then a storm came and ruin his field. The farmer didn't gain anything after all his efforts in planting. Are you talking about Dante Alighieri? Her writings were strictly controlled by Church In spite of that, the Karma "Law" is an Eastern Religion abstraction, common in Occult European Sciences with slight variations, and renamed "Return Law" or, in the case of Gardner's Wicca, "Threefold Law" Dante talked about it in a position of a philoshopher supporting Church, where there is no equality laws, and the bas ones will be punished, and the only one who konow the "wheres-or-whys" is The Lord, The Almighty God, and therefore in your example that farmer maybe on some point of his life did something god disliked. Even if it is something we can't stand up, like "looking the wrong way" or "peeing the wrong place". God is God and that's it Or, Dante could be interpretated as a pilosopher that, in a skeptical way, disliked the "Law of Equality and Justice" on an unfair world. Voltaire would reclaim the same topic on his book "Candide" Either way, Dante's declaration is out of question, unless a solely (or not) opinion thinks that greatly of the "Law of Equivalence" in Fullmetal |
| There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't Real men don't use Task Manager: they sudo kill -9 Computers are like air-conditioning: pretty much useless if you open Windows "I cannot refute you, Socrates." - said Agathon Symposium - Plato"Rather, dear Agathon, what you can't refute is the truth; for Socrates is easily refuted." |
| I demand adding Pokemon. This story depicts Ash a Homilopathic Figure, the one who suffer from psychosociological disturbances and Inferiority Complex. Everytime he met a Pokemon master, he felt like handicaped not being able to train a poke. Through the series he improved as a human and achieved hypothetical transhuman state. This metamorphosis leaded him to Nietzsche`s Ubermensch theory. What is more, he did not only improve in existentialistic sense but also progressed the bond between him and his pokemons. We can see, during the series, that the vast majority of Trainers have "slavery-like" bond with pokemons. But not Ash, he developed it into higher level, a metaphysical one. The equality is fulfilled by completing every aspect of Cicero`s friendship definition. We can also see "pokemons" a higher intelectual form of animals that are able to exhibit the higher form of emotions like love and firendship. It makes them somewhat between animal and Animism, where animals are gods. What a great transanimalism concept! The whole concept of competition is also a refrence to Heraclitus Arché "War is the mother of everything" and supraindividualistic Bergson`s Élan vital theory. |
| I think it's hard to define a 'philosophical' anime, e.g. does psychological count as philosophical? Technically not of course, otherwise there'd be no use for the differing terms, but looking at the list I get the impression some anime might have been added because of this anyways. But this also seems to be a discussion topic, so instead of demanding certain anime to be added I guess I'll just suggest anime to be discussed. =3 First anime I'd suggest adding would be Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. I'ts mainly fantasy, but the final episode does incorporate some major metaphysical elements. Another anime I think would be interesting to discuss is B Gata H Kei. x3 Being an ecchi-comedy it might seem a long shot from a philosophical anime, but I think there are definitely underlying themes present that could be considered part of the realm of philosophical anthropology. Mainly the importance of sex in human relations, the morality of sex at a young(er) age and the way teenagers should be taught about above subject. And please first think about it before you write it off, I won't accept unreasonable counter-arguments. =P Playboy said: Add Durarara I also tend to agree on adding Durarara!!, because it covers several subjects on human interactions. And on the topic of Suzumiya Haruhi, the only subject I think could be considered philosophical is once again |
LazhwardMay 23, 2011 7:29 AM
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| I'm case those anime/manga relations are still being updated, I'd like to add a candidate: Gunslinger Girl At first glance, it might seem to be what the tag line says it is: Little girls with big guns. However, I think the description given by that line is misleading. In both the anime and manga, Gunslinger Girl relies, explicitly and implicitly, on a philosophical theme explored throughout the series: the Problem of Dirty Hands. The basic idea involves the the notion of a supreme emergency and the person who has to decide what to do in that situation, where the desired outcome may require that person to break ethical rules "for the greater good". The whole series explores a Machiavellian political theory that informs the characters' actions: being the bad guy is a means to protect the good guys. I think Gunslinger Girl sheds some meaningful philosophical light on political issues in morality and society. As such, I think it could be included on the relations lists. |
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