| Hi guys,this has been bugging me for quite a long time now,why is the number of series produced by Madhouse decreasing,i remember around 2 years ago they did 2/3 top quality series every season and they were able to keep up but these last seasons they barely do 1 show per season,not to mention that they didn't produce anything this spring,and they only have one upcoming show this summer that doesn't look very good,or is it because the budget used in One punch man was a bit too much and they need time to recover,sorry this isn't my domain and i don't understand the anime industry and it's economy and how it works very well...so i would like to get a little clarification about this,thanks. |
| If it means the studio wank dying, I hope so. |
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| Madhouse said One Punch Man had average budget. It was made out of pure passion for animation. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Madhouse said One Punch Man had average budget. It was made out of pure passion for animation. This^^ People apparently still think OPM had great budget. Get your facts straight. Anyway, it's a nice bait thread I'll just go back to my cave. Thanks. |
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| Madhouse has produced the most anime of any studio (332). The only other studios that have anywhere near this many are J.C. Staff (299) and Production I.G. (304). Madhouse started in 1972 and is still going strong. They may be producing anime a bit slower now than before, but this may be a healthy business strategy. Considering how long they've lasted and how much money they've made in this tough industry we can only assume that whatever they're doing is for the better of the company. |
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zombie_pegasus said: Pretty sure Toei's done more than them.Madhouse has produced the most anime of any studio (332). |
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| By virtue of this, Diomedia is one of the fastest rising studios. It's not. |
Wiziliz said: yeah.. when you click on "Anime Search", madhouse is clearly 3rd after Toei and Sunrisezombie_pegasus said: Pretty sure Toei's done more than them.Madhouse has produced the most anime of any studio (332). |
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| Quality > Quantity Most no. of titles produced over a year =/= Not necessarily the best studio in the business (Look at how shit Pierrot has become) Madhouse has gradually gotten slower in spurning out new anime's in the recent years. That's a fact. But its also a result of the amount of work they have put in into the select number of shows they've done in the past. For example, Hunter x Hunter (2011) was a re-adaptation that ran upto a mammoth 148 episodes from 2011 - 2014. And its success show the incredible amount of work the staff put into it during its run. In the meantime, they also worked on long-runners like Hajime no Ippo and Diamond no Ace. While the amount of titles done by Madhouse has declined, you cannot argue on the fact that they have also significantly upped their reputation as a studio that does shows which are both critically and financially successful. They were behind No Game No Life, which was probably one of the best shows of 2014. They did Mahouka, which was another success which did justice to its Light Novel. Parasyte followed later on and it was also considered one of the best works of 2014. Death Parade was easily the best show of Winter 2015, and when the following seasons failed terribly at producing good new shows, they came up with One Punch Man which arguably was the best of the year 2015. I've seen many people complain that Madhouse is no longer what it used to be before, and I wholeheartedly disagree with this. HxH (2011) is probably Madhouse's best work yet. |
| It is not easy to operate an anime production you know, they can go bankcrupt very very easily. |
| In fact Madhouse decrease its workload and strategy in 2010-2011 when they almost got bankrupt and were bought by NTV. During that transition they went from the 2-3 series per season, to 1 series per season. And right now they are almost, if not already at, 1 series every 2 seasons. While in MAL Madhouse series are loved like the second coming of Jesus, in Japan this is not really true, and in fact Internationally is also like that. For example HxH(2011) wasn't such a big popular series as most people here claim it to be. Basically I believe right now they have 2 planned movies and a TV series contracted by TMS. That I believe will air in Summer(?). So they are rather full. "OPM had average budget, it was a work of passion" -> Yep, the passion of working entire days without break and extra hours payment. |
bigivelfhqJun 1, 2016 5:52 AM
| MADHOUSE isn't dying since they still make anime, and they still get high ratings. |
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Txhokrw48 Here learn a little bit about Madhouse. |
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| Nah, if anything I think they'll start making stuff more often again soon, I know Madhouse aren't actually very big in Japen therefore the bd sales are lacking but they are still much better off financially than in 2010/2011. |
| Just so that everyone is on the same page, here is the number of TV series Madhouse did per year: 2007 - 11 2008 - 12 2009 - 8 2010 - 4 2011 - 6 (including the 148 episode long HxH) 2012 - 2 2013 - 5 2014 - 5 2015 - 5 2016 - 1 finished, 2 announced As we can see, the following statements are false: "around 2 years ago they did 2/3 top quality series every season" "Madhouse has gradually gotten slower in spurning out new anime's in the recent years." (unless we're just comparing 2015 with 2016) "they also worked on long-runners like Hajime no Ippo" (it's just 26 eps long..) "they are almost, if not already at, 1 series every 2 seasons." the best explanation for the lower number of tv animu in 2016 is that they are working on 2 movies as bigivelfhq said |
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bigivelfhq said: In fact Madhouse decrease its workload and strategy in 2010-2011 when they almost got bankrupt and were bought by NTV. During that transition they went from the 2-3 series per season, to 1 series per season. And right now they are almost, if not already at, 1 series every 2 seasons. While in MAL Madhouse series are loved like the second coming of Jesus, in Japan this is not really true, and in fact Internationally is also like that. For example HxH(2011) wasn't such a big popular series as most people here claim it to be. Basically I believe right now they have 2 planned movies and a TV series contracted by TMS. That I believe will air in Summer(?). So they are rather full. "OPM had average budget, it was a work of passion" -> Yep, the passion of working entire days without break and extra hours payment. THIS... its hilarious seeing all that post up there claiming that some of madhouse anime post NHK takeover is a success. |
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| Not sure if it actually matters, but in the last 2 years there's been a bunch of Madhouse anime which sold more than 10k, while before then I think only death Note and Chobits managed that. So if anything, you'd expect them to be in a good position. |
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Programmer69 said: Did you know?? In 2011, half of Madhouse staff created a new studio called MAPPA (CMIIW). Yes the founder of madhouse left and made his own studio. Post 2010, they're titles haven't been as good imo. |
MeinKaiser said: look at their best selling showsbigivelfhq said: In fact Madhouse decrease its workload and strategy in 2010-2011 when they almost got bankrupt and were bought by NTV. During that transition they went from the 2-3 series per season, to 1 series per season. And right now they are almost, if not already at, 1 series every 2 seasons. While in MAL Madhouse series are loved like the second coming of Jesus, in Japan this is not really true, and in fact Internationally is also like that. For example HxH(2011) wasn't such a big popular series as most people here claim it to be. Basically I believe right now they have 2 planned movies and a TV series contracted by TMS. That I believe will air in Summer(?). So they are rather full. "OPM had average budget, it was a work of passion" -> Yep, the passion of working entire days without break and extra hours payment. THIS... its hilarious seeing all that post up there claiming that some of madhouse anime post NHK takeover is a success. death note 15k, mahouka 12k, overlord 11k, chobits 11k, one punch man 9k, no game no life 8k most are post nhk takeover |
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Haqase said: Post 2010, they're titles haven't been as good imo. You kiddin'? Madhouse have had plenty of good, well-received titles since then. Like, for example, Ore Monogatari!!, Chihayafuru, Chihayafuru 2, Death Parade, One Punch Man, Hajime no Ippo: Rising, Trigun: Badlands Rumble, and Hunter X Hunter 2011. |
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romagia said: MeinKaiser said: look at their best selling showsTHIS... its hilarious seeing all that post up there claiming that some of madhouse anime post NHK takeover is a success. death note 15k, mahouka 12k, overlord 11k, chobits 11k, one punch man 9k, no game no life 8k most are post nhk takeover Aside from Overlord ( who is pretty much a surprise heck even madhouse surprise about their sales ) all that series should sold for much higher, take mahouka for example, its an up and coming LN having debuted as an anime, its should at least make it into the yearly BD sales top 10 but it didnt, but then again my post about post NHK take over, and most of their anime after NHK take over is a flop, like parasyte. |
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Zelkiiro said: Haqase said: Post 2010, they're titles haven't been as good imo. You kiddin'? Madhouse have had plenty of good, well-received titles since then. Like, for example, Ore Monogatari!!, Chihayafuru, Chihayafuru 2, Death Parade, One Punch Man, Hajime no Ippo: Rising, Trigun: Badlands Rumble, and Hunter X Hunter 2011. well received by MAL, sadly for you thats not how it works. |
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MeinKaiser said: The most interesting part from umashikaneko's thread on anime ratings is the one on ''Highest viewer rating late-night anime shows of each year." Zelkiiro said: You kiddin'? Madhouse have had plenty of good, well-received titles since then. Like, for example, Ore Monogatari!!, Chihayafuru, Chihayafuru 2, Death Parade, One Punch Man, Hajime no Ippo: Rising, Trigun: Badlands Rumble, and Hunter X Hunter 2011. well received by MAL, sadly for you thats not how it works. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1361735&show=100#msg41252137 Note how they are mostly adult-oriented series, which might not always overlap with the BD buying audience. Yet i'd still call them successful.. as FGAU said lots of times, tv ratings are still pretty important. Sadly, the rating stops at 2013, but we can safely assume this is still the case for the last few years. The only newer series i have data for is Hunter x Hunter, which showed up occasionally in the weekly "Japan's Animation TV Ranking" posts on AnimeNewsNetwork http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-29/japan-animation-tv-ranking-september-16-22 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-04-07/japan-animation-tv-ranking-march-25-31 |
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Zelkiiro said: Haqase said: Post 2010, they're titles haven't been as good imo. You kiddin'? Madhouse have had plenty of good, well-received titles since then. Like, for example, Ore Monogatari!!, Chihayafuru, Chihayafuru 2, Death Parade, One Punch Man, Hajime no Ippo: Rising, Trigun: Badlands Rumble, and Hunter X Hunter 2011. I'm not in the listing game so I won't bother listing anime comparing before and after 2010. In an interview I read with Yuasa Masaaki I remember him saying that ever since the change of presidency in 2010 there's been less creative freedom in the studio. That's why creators such as him who make original works like the Tatami Galaxy left and are seeking opportunities elsewhere. Personally I liked HxH 2011 and parasyte out of their recent stuff. Also, OPM staff consisted mostly of Studio Bones' animators and whatnot. Calling it a madhouse anime is slightly deceiving. |
| >Well-known studio is taking it slow on T.V series to work on other stuff "omg they're dying, r.i.p madhouse, opm clearly robbed them of money, dead studio" You can say they're dying when it's closed down. |
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romagia said: The most interesting part from umashikaneko's thread on anime ratings is the one on ''Highest viewer rating late-night anime shows of each year." http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1361735&show=100#msg41252137 Note how they are mostly adult-oriented series, which might not always overlap with the BD buying audience. Yet i'd still call them successful.. as FGAU said lots of times, tv ratings are still pretty important. Sadly, the rating stops at 2013, but we can safely assume this is still the case for the last few years. The only newer series i have data for is Hunter x Hunter, which showed up occasionally in the weekly "Japan's Animation TV Ranking" posts on AnimeNewsNetwork http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-29/japan-animation-tv-ranking-september-16-22 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-04-07/japan-animation-tv-ranking-march-25-31 And as fgau said many times that TV rating is nt as important as it used to be, especially for 12-25 episode anime, and note that most the series up there is pre NHK take over, meanwhile the one i quoted listed the anime from post NHK take over |
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RainyRai said: But at that point it is already dead, lol. However Madhouse had and still has issues http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1517327&show=0#msg46278336>Well-known studio is taking it slow on T.V series to work on other stuff "omg they're dying, r.i.p madhouse, opm clearly robbed them of money, dead studio" You can say they're dying when it's closed down. |
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MeinKaiser said: yes i'd like to know the data for 2013+ too, but i think it's pretty likely shows like Chihaiyafuru 2, the new Hajime no Ippo, Ore Monogatari, Parasyte, maybe even Death Parade, had good ratingsromagia said: The most interesting part from umashikaneko's thread on anime ratings is the one on ''Highest viewer rating late-night anime shows of each year." http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1361735&show=100#msg41252137 Note how they are mostly adult-oriented series, which might not always overlap with the BD buying audience. Yet i'd still call them successful.. as FGAU said lots of times, tv ratings are still pretty important. Sadly, the rating stops at 2013, but we can safely assume this is still the case for the last few years. The only newer series i have data for is Hunter x Hunter, which showed up occasionally in the weekly "Japan's Animation TV Ranking" posts on AnimeNewsNetwork http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-29/japan-animation-tv-ranking-september-16-22 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-04-07/japan-animation-tv-ranking-march-25-31 And as fgau said many times that TV rating is nt as important as it used to be, especially for 12-25 episode anime, and note that most the series up there is pre NHK take over, meanwhile the one i quoted listed the anime from post NHK take over |
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| Is important to understand that those TV ratings are for the best rated episodes of that year and not the overall ratings that those series got, that is lower than that. As an Example in 2008 Nodame Cantabile has the episode with the best Tv rating of 6.6, but its average was only 4.63. Hakaba Kitaro in that same year did better with an average of 4.80. Most all episodes of Hakaba had better rating than Nodame Cantabile, but its best episode got 5.8, and so less than the 6.6. The exact same thing happened in those Madhouse years, at least when Noitamina was on fire. Every year got better overall ratings than it. |
bigivelfhq said: TILIs important to understand that those TV ratings are for the best rated episodes of that year and not the overall ratings that those series got, that is lower than that. As an Example in 2008 Nodame Cantabile has the episode with the best Tv rating of 6.6, but its average was only 4.63. Hakaba Kitaro in that same year did better with an average of 4.80. Most all episodes of Hakaba had better rating than Nodame Cantabile, but its best episode got 5.8, and so less than the 6.6. The exact same thing happened in those Madhouse years, at least when Noitamina was on fire. Every year got better overall ratings than it. do you know why there aren't stats for late night shows in the last few years? and how much do tv recording stats matter? |
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| A question about OPM not having high budget. Didn't Madhouse spend a lot of money to get talented animators to do the job? Wouldn't that count as "high budget"? |
AltoRoark said: A question about OPM not having high budget. Didn't Madhouse spend a lot of money to get talented animators to do the job? Wouldn't that count as "high budget"? The guys the director contacted to make the anime, almost certainly received the exact same amount of money as a regular animator. romagia said: bigivelfhq said: TILIs important to understand that those TV ratings are for the best rated episodes of that year and not the overall ratings that those series got, that is lower than that. As an Example in 2008 Nodame Cantabile has the episode with the best Tv rating of 6.6, but its average was only 4.63. Hakaba Kitaro in that same year did better with an average of 4.80. Most all episodes of Hakaba had better rating than Nodame Cantabile, but its best episode got 5.8, and so less than the 6.6. The exact same thing happened in those Madhouse years, at least when Noitamina was on fire. Every year got better overall ratings than it. do you know why there aren't stats for late night shows in the last few years? and how much do tv recording stats matter? The previous info was inside leaks, the person, or people, that was doing it stopped around middle of 2012. There are still leaks of some popular timeslots like the Nichigo(Nanatsu no Taizai, Haikyuu!! and My Hero Academia timeslot). How much TV ratings matter really depends of the deal and the parts involved. Normally sponsors pay for the timeslot, and companies looking for advertisement pay money for the surrounding time. How much the sponsors and the companies advertising their stuff pays(to the TV channel and the Producers of the actual work) depends on the TV ratings(and other negotiations). The thing with the Night timeslots, is that normally both the sponsors and the advertising companies are both just the Production Commitee. So in fact they are loosing money in that department. Still I believe that having high TV ratings, is an indicator of people watching the adverts that the sponsors and advertising companies place, so it must influence somewhat. |
Nerdanimefan1992 said: Tenshi_Shura said: Madhouse said One Punch Man had average budget probably cause they know that is was a shit show but they know the idiot fanbase would buy it anyway If you're going to bait, the least you could do is provide some reasons why is it so no matter how poorly constructed it is or else people aren't gonna take you seriously. |
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romagia said: Well, that's much more efficient. I was just looking through the producers to see which one had the most entries. Obviously the numbers are about how many they've worked on rather than how many they are the studio for, but if Toei has worked on twice as many anime as Madhouse I doubt this could possibly make a difference since both of them are usually the studio behind the anime.Wiziliz said: yeah.. when you click on "Anime Search", madhouse is clearly 3rd after Toei and SunrisePretty sure Toei's done more than them. I had heard someone say someone say it before and obviously I don't know how enough of MAL's features work. |
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zombie_pegasus said: romagia said: Well, that's much more efficient. I was just looking through the producers to see which one had the most entries. Obviously the numbers are about how many they've worked on rather than how many they are the studio for, but if Toei has worked on twice as many anime as Madhouse I doubt this could possibly make a difference since both of them are usually the studio behind the anime.yeah.. when you click on "Anime Search", madhouse is clearly 3rd after Toei and Sunrise I had heard someone say someone say it before and obviously I don't know how enough of MAL's features work. The important really is knowing what do you mean about that statement. Because, A animation studio that does 12 episodes series each season and that started in 2000. And a studio that does 48 episodes series each year and that started in 1952. Both have the same amount of series made, 64! Though the studio from 1952 has produced 4 times more. Madhouse while it was established in 1972, really only started doing Movies in 1983 and TV anime in 1994. Toei Animation started Movies since 1958(1957 if we count shorts) and TV anime in 1963. Toei Animation is one of the companies, if not the one, with most animated production done in the World. |
| Madhouse is dying together with the anime industry and so are you, dear reader of this comment. Have an optimistic day. |
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| i will be happy if toei and deen bankrupt instead of Madhouse |
tragedydesuJun 1, 2016 11:27 AM
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| MadHouse is always dying. Jk, but madhouse is good. The studio is just going through a transition phase after finally being financially stable after many years. The board management also had a change recently at MH. Many of their talents also left & went freelancing recently, perhaps the studio is just taking a break to get things together. |
| Imagine a berserk anime by Yoshiaki kawajiri at Madhouse. Now take a look at Berserk (2016). YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO CRY. |
| Madhouse is on the path to success now that maruyama has left and is about to burn mappa into the ground. They also reopened their film division recently. |
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| Probably. If they keep making objectionably bad anime like Overlord and Hunter x Hunter they will. |
| dying? quickly use monster reborn! |
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