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Dec 1, 2012 12:00 PM

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Nice episode, in your face Sugu!

A question to the LN readers, Kirito will find/see/talk to Asuna before the last episode?
Dec 1, 2012 12:01 PM

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katzer said:
Nice episode, in your face Sugu!

A question to the LN readers, Kirito will find/see/talk to Asuna before the last episode?
Yes.
Dec 1, 2012 12:02 PM
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Ah it's pretty crazy how Kirito does such a crazy thing when entire armies can't even do it. xD


hahaha that ability is only for shounen heroes lol

nice battle scene in this epi, sucks for the brocon-sis
im piqued for the next one


This should be explained next episode. But if you can't wait:
Dec 1, 2012 12:02 PM

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Welp, that was pretty awesome.

If you really want to fit in, just put Legend of the Galactic Heroes in your top 5 and have it be the only 10-rated anime in your list.
Dec 1, 2012 12:04 PM

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AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
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Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
Dec 1, 2012 12:06 PM
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ssjokg said:

Doesnt Kirito here, look like his first avatar in SAO?Except the hair.
I guess. I haven't really been paying attention to what he wears since Kirito has been wearing basically the same thing since he first got that coat from the first level boss in SAO.

RockerXD said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
NettoAzure said:
Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
May be Kirito is afraid that the other girls in his harem would leave him if they found out that Klein is better. lol
Dec 1, 2012 12:08 PM

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Easily one of the better eps so far. Poor Sugu :(
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Dec 1, 2012 12:09 PM

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AiCon said:
RockerXD said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
NettoAzure said:
Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
May be Kirito is afraid that the other girls in his harem would leave him if they found out that Klein is better. lol
But kirito is better than Klein in vmmo and probably earns more money at his job than Kein does to treat them every freaking time.

Bitches just want money(and mmo?).
Dec 1, 2012 12:10 PM

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The climax of the novel was when Kirito looked at Heathcliff who has a pitying look on his face and suddenly thinks: "As if he was looking at a bunch of white mice playing in an inescapable cage". This begins the process of Kirito putting the pieces together to make the connection. The identification of Heathcliff as Kayaba is the most dramatic scene in the book, the point everything led up to, the point which defined everything that followed, and the animation completely skipped over this identification

In the animation all Heathcliff is doing is standing there with a neutral look on his face and without giving any explanation, Kirito recalls the fight they had 2 weeks (and 4 episodes) prior and leaps to the conclusion that Heathcliff is Kayaba. There was no trigger, no reason why Kirito would think then and not anytime prior to this point (not to mention that they had just fought for an hour, and he was exhausted, which is not the best time to try to have epiphanies), they just glossed over the entire scene with his abrupt leap (both figuratively and literally) of faith.

And it isn't like it would have taken much to provide the climatic trigger. Just Kirito mumbling "It's like we are mice to him" would have been enough. But there was no attempt even at this. It's like having the detective point to the villain and say: "it was you Colonel Mustard", without explaining that it occurred in the billiard room with the candlestick.


So Kirito having a random pretentious thought was the climax for you? Not the fight that decided the fate for everyone and was literally do or die (because if he didn't beat him here, they probably wouldn't have been able to beat the other 25 bosses).

To me that was the worst part of the LN, especially since the author established earlier that subtle facial expressions are hard to do in the game (hence why I think the animation is a bit more faithful to the rules here). You could assume that Kirito thought in the anime that Heathcliff looked far too calm and composed compared to everyone else.

The part of him surpassing the system was also pretty dumb, because both Kirito and Asuna did it beforehand...so what makes it so strange again? (Actually if Asuna was Kayabaya that would've been a rediculously good plot twist hah).
Dec 1, 2012 12:11 PM

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HOLY F**K.
Poor Suguha.. i mean she cannot replace Asuna but.. oh wells.
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AiCon said:
ssjokg said:

Doesnt Kirito here, look like his first avatar in SAO?Except the hair.
I guess. I haven't really been paying attention to what he wears since Kirito has been wearing basically the same thing since he first got that coat from the first level boss in SAO.
I mean before they were changed by Kayaba.The one he had from the beta.
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Episode 22 End Card:



Silver Crow and Black Lotus become a sword. LOL
Dec 1, 2012 12:13 PM

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Sugu learns the truth about kirito, me: *Yagami Laugh* this made my day!
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ssjokg said:
AiCon said:
RockerXD said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
NettoAzure said:
Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
May be Kirito is afraid that the other girls in his harem would leave him if they found out that Klein is better. lol
But kirito is better than Klein in vmmo and probably earns more money at his job than Kein does to treat them every freaking time.

Bitches just want money(and mmo?).
Klein can hold his own in mmo and he probably has quite a bit of money saved up during his adventures with his guild.

Besides, Suguha isn't a bitch - she's a goddess:D
Dec 1, 2012 12:15 PM

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I didn't expect that this whole episode is all about... romance drama... What the fuck...?


Dec 1, 2012 12:16 PM

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If only Valve programmed ALO. The Tank in L4D is frighteningly good at predicting where you will be several seconds later and also includes compensation for the travel time of ranged projectiles.

Poor programming saved Lyfa.

Finally, the brownstorm that I've been waiting for weeks.
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Dec 1, 2012 12:18 PM

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AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
AiCon said:
RockerXD said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
NettoAzure said:
Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
May be Kirito is afraid that the other girls in his harem would leave him if they found out that Klein is better. lol
But kirito is better than Klein in vmmo and probably earns more money at his job than Kein does to treat them every freaking time.

Bitches just want money(and mmo?).
Klein can hold his own in mmo and he probably has quite a bit of money saved up during his adventures with his guild.

Besides, Suguha isn't a bitch - she's a goddess:D

True but they are already ""fascinated" by Kirito.Real Life money from their real jobs.I wasnt specific before.Although you cant call Kirito's job "IRL one".
Dec 1, 2012 12:23 PM

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Wow, so half the episode was dramatic fail, and the other half was inappropriate love between not-so-siblings. Too funny. I was actually hoping that this would be a good episode. :|
Dec 1, 2012 12:23 PM

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Aw shiiiiiiit! We all knew this had to happen sooner or later. Before that though, really glad to see Kirito being brought back to Earth in regards to his OPness ever since the the beginning of the series. He's always been able to overcome trials thrown at him so it makes sense why he think he'd be able to get Asuna alone. The fight scene though I must say was well done.

When Kirito told Leafa he was searching for Asuna and Sugu was able to piece everything together I was like " Here we go". The fuse that has slowly been going down finally exploded and Sugu realizes she's had no chance from the beginning. I do feel bad for her though, she's just a high school girl in love who can't get what she truly wants. When Kirito and Sugu were talking in the hallway, I was laughing at how he was like "WTF?" when she confessed her love pretty much.

So when Kirito distanced himself from Sugu when he was little did he do it so he wouldn't get feelings for her?
Dec 1, 2012 12:23 PM

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Had an '......OMG' moment as soon as Kirito mentioned Asuna in front of Sugu. Spent about a month and a half waiting for that. xD

Great ep!
curiouser and curiouser :)
Dec 1, 2012 12:23 PM

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Kirito is OP, and Sugu is fairly annoying.

What else is new?

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Dec 1, 2012 12:26 PM

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HoshiNeko said:
Kirito is OP, and Sugu is fairly annoying.

What else is new?

EventhoughIsomewhatlikethisshowevenifit'sprettyterrible

How was Kirito OP in this ep?
Dec 1, 2012 12:30 PM
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ssjokg said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:

Doesnt Kirito here, look like his first avatar in SAO?Except the hair.
I guess. I haven't really been paying attention to what he wears since Kirito has been wearing basically the same thing since he first got that coat from the first level boss in SAO.
I mean before they were changed by Kayaba.The one he had from the beta.
Just went back to episode 1 and he kinda does.

ssjokg said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
AiCon said:
RockerXD said:
AiCon said:
ssjokg said:
NettoAzure said:
Also they included a bit more introspective dialogue huh. O_o

And yeah poor Sugu. :( You still have your bitch stalker Recon.


I dont think she is satisfied with that.
Kirito should introduce her to Klein. That guy would certainly treat her right.


Klein did ask that in ep 1 :P Bro should do a bro a favor
May be Kirito is afraid that the other girls in his harem would leave him if they found out that Klein is better. lol
But kirito is better than Klein in vmmo and probably earns more money at his job than Kein does to treat them every freaking time.

Bitches just want money(and mmo?).
Klein can hold his own in mmo and he probably has quite a bit of money saved up during his adventures with his guild.

Besides, Suguha isn't a bitch - she's a goddess:D

True but they are already ""fascinated" by Kirito.Real Life money from their real jobs.I wasnt specific before.Although you cant call Kirito's job "IRL one".
I think Klein is older than Kirito so he would already have more money than Kirito and everyone else in his harem except for Asuna.
Dec 1, 2012 12:33 PM

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Was a good episode except for the end. I don't care about Suguha at all.
Dec 1, 2012 12:35 PM

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Sugu's outbreak at the end is actually not that bad. I expected more cheesy crap but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
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Dec 1, 2012 12:37 PM

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:/ I preffered if the whole episode had been fighting, that was the best bit
Dec 1, 2012 12:38 PM

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Ummmmm did they change the way she found out? I'm pretty sure...

Dec 1, 2012 12:40 PM

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Ummmmm did they change the way she found out? I'm pretty sure...

Dec 1, 2012 12:43 PM

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well on the bright side, she has a brother who's so cool that you can fall in love with him twice bwhaha
Dec 1, 2012 12:44 PM

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ssjokg said:
MidnightPride said:
Ummmmm did they change the way she found out? I'm pretty sure...



Oh ya nvm I'm must have thought that because I just looked over the novel I have saved and it goes from the king pic to the reveal. I must have thought they were scenes back to back /fail on my part
Dec 1, 2012 12:45 PM
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The identification was the climax, that was the turning point of the novel. Without the identification the fight between the two would not have had any significance. In literary terms the actual fight between the two is defined as the "Falling Action", which follows the climax. The conversation at the end was the dénouement.

You were correct about the expressions, I was wrong, but Kawahara explained this without any contradiction.


Your suggestion as to what could be the trigger would be fine, any trigger would be fine. It just needed something to spark the climax.
Dec 1, 2012 12:46 PM
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as always kirito is a crazy fighter... even though he died and was rescued... its sad how lyfa found out kirito was her brother... still rooting for her but same time for asuna as well

cant wait till next episode
Dec 1, 2012 12:47 PM

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what in the fck...

...was I the only one who thought Sugu knew Kirito's IRL identity for the past 6-7 episodes?

She just finds out now?

Seriously, fck this shit
Dec 1, 2012 12:50 PM

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Ow god, i was so sad when she started to cry..
Anyway i loved this episode, can't wait for the next one '-'
Dec 1, 2012 12:51 PM

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what in the fck...

...was I the only one who thought Sugu knew Kirito's IRL identity for the past 6-7 episodes?

She just finds out now?

Seriously, fck this shit

Ιt was obvious from the previous ep,for anyone that didnt notice it,that she didnt know.
Dec 1, 2012 12:52 PM
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When Suguha started crying, I was smiling before I could even notice. How cruel am I exactly ? :(
Dec 1, 2012 12:52 PM

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<3 Suguha <3
Dec 1, 2012 12:55 PM

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When Suguha started crying, I was smiling before I could even notice. How cruel am I exactly ? :(

Same here. I've been waiting for this for a very long time. I guess it's a natural reaction for a plebeian like me who grew up in an environment where cousin-cousin love is frowned upon.

Still prefer Lyfa/Sugu over Asuna though. Not in terms of shipping but as a character.
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cksdayoff said:
what in the fck...

...was I the only one who thought Sugu knew Kirito's IRL identity for the past 6-7 episodes?

She just finds out now?

Seriously, fck this shit


Yep, of the one million, two hundred and eighty five thousand, nine hundred and forty two people watching this animation, you were the only person who thought she knew.

Roughly four hundred and twenty eight thousand thought she was an idiot for not being able to figure this out, the balance would reply asking "why should she know".
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i feel so alone
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i feel so alone
Welcome to the SAO board. Enjoy your stay. lol
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Only 3 more episodes, I wish I didn't watch this up to EP22 lol
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So when Kirito distanced himself from Sugu when he was little did he do it so he wouldn't get feelings for her?


No, what started it was when Suguha stood up to his grandfather protecting him. Being saved by his younger sister made Kirito feel both guilty and even more like a loser. His inferiority complex (aside from a natural talent for computers) is what drove him into the VR world and is still with him when in enters the real world (the ending should have a great scene about this). In many ways he is like Haru from Accel World, though less spherical in nature.

He also discovered that the people he thought was his mother and sister were actually his aunt and cousin, this revelation (which he took as a form of betrayal) propelled him further into his introverted cocoon.

Suguha on the other hand, has no idea why he pulled away. She thinks it has to do with him finding out he is her cousin, and a lot of her emotional state is due to her not being able to figure out where she stands with him.
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i feel so alone

On the bright side, you missed the four thousand six hundred and seventy four posts debating this question endlessly over the past 7 episodes. Sometimes being in solitude has its advantages :-)
Dec 1, 2012 1:09 PM

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Well, I for one liked the episode. So much that I increased the whole show score to 8/10 cose of it.
Dec 1, 2012 1:10 PM

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I knew this would happen all along but just cant help to be sad.. Poor Suguha T.T

what a heartbreaking episode......

awesome voice-acting by Ayana!!
Dec 1, 2012 1:11 PM
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It is now at around the halfway point of LN vol 4, so this leaves 3 episodes left to cover the rest of the volume. The pacing should be similar to the episodes that covered vol 3 since vol 3 was covered in 6 episodes.

Can't wait to see the next episode because finally
Dec 1, 2012 1:14 PM

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It is now at around the halfway point of LN vol 4, so this leaves 3 episodes left to cover the rest of the volume. The pacing should be similar to the episodes that covered vol 3 since vol 3 was covered in 6 episodes.

Can't wait to see the next episode because finally

I and others dont think that it will reach that part.Bonds is definitely for Sugu and Kazuto.The ep will either end with the
Dec 1, 2012 1:14 PM

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I really enjoyed the scene, Suguha realizing that Kirito is her brother and then their talk at home. You could really see Suguha's heart breaking. It was so awesome.
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Dec 1, 2012 1:16 PM

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wow...uncomfortable moment episode x 9000

think someones already mentioned this in a previous discussion but now I can see it as Kirito really is an airhead net-gigolo.

all in all, episode wasn't too bad and I knew it would happen with the 2 cousins ending up finding out each others real identities, but having to actually see it was pretty cringe-worthy as regardless of whether their not blood-related or that cousins can date each other in Japan, to actually see Sugu spout love to Kirito was totally uncomfortable and not to my taste
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