| JoJo selling really good, pretty awesome since it's a good anime, it deserves it! No Game No Life also with good sales, nice! I'm hoping for a second season. Mahouka not selling as good as the others but still selling nicely, I thought it was an awesome anime, let's see if they're going to continue it in another season *_* People saying that JoJo is selling bad? Well, comparing to the first season sales then yes but we have to consider that it was just the first week, I'm sure it will sell enough to keep the same "status" as the first season. |
phoenixalia said: JizzyHitler said: I'm gonna be fucking furious if it only sells that little. Especially since it further fucks over our chances of seeing a pluto anime. I won't be furious. But I will be sad. Very, very, VERY sad. Like, super sad. |
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Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? It's a shitty love live ripoff? |
Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? I'm really enjoying the series, so these are not the things I dislike about, It has a bigger focus on drama and a ongoing storyline compared to other CGDCT series, so I don't think the fans of the genre are that interested in it. But aside from that? I don't know, it right in the middle of the pack(mean is at 1.8k) for summer 2014 stalker estimates. So it just got unlucky, like a lot of series. SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? It's a shitty love live ripoff? Hanyamata said: Published: Jun 2011 to ? |
scytheavatar said: Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? It started off in a respectable position on the Amazon charts, but seems unable to gain momentum. But yeah coming off so soon after Love Live means that it wouldn't be easy for Hanayamata to excite otakus when compared to Love Live. Genre fatigue is setting in then. rederoin said: Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? I'm really enjoying the series, so these are not the things I dislike about, It has a bigger focus on drama and a ongoing storyline compared to other CGDCT series, so I don't think the fans of the genre are that interested in it. But aside from that? I don't know, it right in the middle of the pack(mean is at 1.8k) for summer 2014 stalker estimates. So it just got unlucky, like a lot of series. That's the first I've heard SoL fans not being too interested in drama, that, combined with genre fatigue from Love Live, it might be the reasons why it may not sell. |
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Rachmaninow said: Most Japanese anime fans wouldn't know what quality shows are if you shoved them down their throats.. Nor would you. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
rederoin said: Hoppy said: Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? I'm really enjoying the series, so these are not the things I dislike about, It has a bigger focus on drama and a ongoing storyline compared to other CGDCT series, so I don't think the fans of the genre are that interested in it. But aside from that? I don't know, it right in the middle of the pack(mean is at 1.8k) for summer 2014 stalker estimates. So it just got unlucky, like a lot of series. SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: It's a shitty love live ripoff? Hanyamata said: Published: Jun 2011 to ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Live! Love Live! (ラブライブ! Rabu Raibu!?) School Idol Project is a Japanese multimedia project co-developed by ASCII Media Works' Dengeki G's Magazine, music label Lantis, and animation studio Sunrise. The project revolves around a group of fictional school girls who become idols in order to save their school from shutting down. It launched in the August 2010 issue of Dengeki G's Magazine, and went on to produce music CDs, anime music videos, two manga adaptations, and video games. A 13-episode anime television series produced by Sunrise and directed by Takahiko Kyōgoku aired in Japan between January and March 2013, with a second season airing between April and June 2014. Both anime series are licensed in North America by NIS America. An animated film has also been announced. That moment when you still dont know wtf you are talking about. Like I said, using stalker and reblogging estimates doesn't make you intelligent. It's getting old how nobody can say shit in these threads without you being a dick and insulting them for "not knowing how sales work". Everyone on MAL is allowed to speak. You don't know half as much as you think you do, and you definitely don't know enough to camp these threads with your high and mighty attitude. |
SolviteWoTaberuAug 5, 2014 12:20 PM
| The important thing isn't when the franchise came into being but when they used the plotlines in question. Which I don't believe that Love Live did until the anime began - or at the earliest when the manga began, which was still in 2012 and thus after Hanayamata. Please correct me if I'm wrong there but I don't believe there was anything with that sort of storyline in the Love Live universe before that Also this is working under the assumption that you call it a Love Live ripoff because of some of the similarities in plot elements. I don't know what else you would call them similar over, but if there is a different reason for your claim please do clarify. |
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kuuderes_shadow said: The important thing isn't when the franchise came into being but when they used the plotlines in question. Which I don't believe that Love Live did until the anime began - or at the earliest when the manga began, which was still in 2012 and thus after Hanayamata. Please correct me if I'm wrong there but I don't believe there was anything with that sort of storyline in the Love Live universe before that Also this is working under the assumption that you call it a Love Live ripoff because of some of the similarities in plot elements. I don't know what else you would call them similar over, but if there is a different reason for your claim please do clarify. Have you just not seen the PVs or what? Edit: Not sure why all this fanboy rage is going around. I'm watching the show, it just isnt anything special. Hence its mediocre sales. |
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Have you just not seen the PVs or what? What do you mean by that? The music videos? I've watched one of the two that were out before Hanayamata began publishing, which didn't have any resemblance to Hanayamata. Nor did later ones. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| I wait for this post every week. thank you guys. Seeing people who argue about the taste of each other is always enjoyable. |
| While you shitpost about other taste, i watch or read stuff :D |
| no game no life is doing it's thing we need more season if possible |
acheronrush said: This pretty much sums up my feelings toward these sales/announcement/news threads as well (though nothing will ever compare to the pre-"let's pointlessly lock every news thread" days). I wait for this post every week. thank you guys. Seeing people who argue about the taste of each other is always enjoyable. I occasionally try to do my part in helping to counteract the strong aura of ignorance and would-be-hilarious-if-they-weren't-actually-serious remarks, but there's only so much a mere mortal such as myself can do for people who abide by the notion of objective taste (or more specifically, the notion that "good taste" means anything other than "tastes that are similar to my own") and the like. |
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Ghostbooster said: All of people complaining shut up, you watch anime anime for free illegally you have no reason to talk, reason anime is dying is because of YOU at least those otakus are buying and supporting you're stealing those poor japanese animators work i hope karma gets you I'm getting Hanayamata Yosakoi Live at launch digitally. Now lets try again shall we. |
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Hoppy said: Ghostbooster said: All of people complaining shut up, you watch anime anime for free illegally you have no reason to talk, reason anime is dying is because of YOU at least those otakus are buying and supporting you're stealing those poor japanese animators work i hope karma gets you I'm getting Hanayamata Yosakoi Live at launch digitally. Now lets try again shall we. I'll probably be importing the OP single once it comes out. |
| 1. Who deleted my post saying that was a waste of money? Because thats my opinion. 2. rederoin said: Hoppy said: I'm getting Hanayamata Yosakoi Live at launch digitally. Now lets try again shall we. I'll probably be importing the OP single once it comes out. I see you've ignored how you were blatantly wrong about hanayamata coming out before love live. Guess Amazon Stalker can't tell you release dates. |
Hoppy said: Because it's not that good? Simple as that. The story is meh at best. Compared to other shows that revolve around girls doing things, Hanayamata just doesn't have the feel to it.Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? |
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Tyrel said: Hoppy said: Because it's not that good? Simple as that. The story is meh at best. Compared to other shows that revolve around girls doing things, Hanayamata just doesn't have the feel to it.Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? At least someone understands. |
| On another subject, the Bodacious Space Pirates movie is doing rather good on the amazon rankings, which was not expected with its low box office. Here is hoping it atleast hits 20k. Tyrel said: Hoppy said: Because it's not that good? Simple as that. The story is meh at best. Compared to other shows that revolve around girls doing things, Hanayamata just doesn't have the feel to it.Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? Using your own opinions on a show as a reason for a show doing badly in the amazon rankings does not explain why its only doing average compared to the rest of the summer shows. Not that I know the reason for it not getting more sales(which is not the same as it getting a lot dislike). |
Rederoin said: Tyrel said: Because it's not that good? Simple as that. The story is meh at best. Compared to other shows that revolve around girls doing things, Hanayamata just doesn't have the feel to it. Using your own opinions on a show as a reason for a show doing badly in the amazon rankings does not explain why its only doing average compared to the rest of the summer shows. Not that I know the reason for it not getting more sales(which is not the same as it getting a lot dislike). Well, obviously Japan likes other shows, and there's a lot of good shows this summer. Going by the charts above 3k zone, I can agree with almost all the shows—except the ones I'm not watching—of why people in Japan would like it. There's more "hype" per say around SAO, Sailor moon, and Free sales. While shows like Aldnoah get good sales (maybe because of Urobutcher?), and Black Butler gets okay sales because of it returning to the original manga storyline. My opinion may not mean anything, but if anything, from what I've seen, the stuff this summer that I thought would do okay in sales are. Plus Hanayamata hasn't shown anything great in all of its episode to surprise viewers or give them something to which they should support the sales. |
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Tyrel said: Goddamnit.While shows like Aldnoah get good sales (maybe because of Urobutcher?) Urobuchi. Isn't. Working. On. Aldnoah. |
Progeusz said: He did for episodes 1-3.Tyrel said: Goddamnit.While shows like Aldnoah get good sales (maybe because of Urobutcher?) Urobuchi. Isn't. Working. On. Aldnoah. |
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Tyrel said: Rederoin said: Using your own opinions on a show as a reason for a show doing badly in the amazon rankings does not explain why its only doing average compared to the rest of the summer shows. Not that I know the reason for it not getting more sales(which is not the same as it getting a lot dislike). Well, obviously Japan likes other shows, and there's a lot of good shows this summer. Going by the charts above 3k zone, I can agree with almost all the shows—except the ones I'm not watching—of why people in Japan would like it. There's more "hype" per say around SAO, Sailor moon, and Free sales. While shows like Aldnoah get good sales (maybe because of Urobutcher?), and Black Butler gets okay sales because of it returning to the original manga storyline. My opinion may not mean anything, but if anything, from what I've seen, the stuff this summer that I thought would do okay in sales are. Plus Hanayamata hasn't shown anything great in all of its episode to surprise viewers or give them something to which they should support the sales. Hanayamata sucks. You don't have to explain yourself this much. The majority clearly agrees with you, since it has mediocre sales. And it isnt the subject material since Lobu libu is still going strong. Love Live was cute, had dancing and drama and was awesome. Hanababatutuwaba has moe and tropes. |
Tyrel said: It's common for various episodes to be done by different people. No point in obsessing over that. What really matters is who works on whole thing.He did for episodes 1-3. |
Progeusz said: And obviously those 3 weeks of episodes showed in the Preorders. I'm not obsessing over it, I'm just pulling ideas out. There's a reason why I had a (?) question mark.Tyrel said: It's common for various episodes to be done by different people. No point in obsessing over that. What really matters is who works on whole thing.He did for episodes 1-3. |
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: Tyrel said: Well, obviously Japan likes other shows, and there's a lot of good shows this summer. Going by the charts above 3k zone, I can agree with almost all the shows—except the ones I'm not watching—of why people in Japan would like it. There's more "hype" per say around SAO, Sailor moon, and Free sales. While shows like Aldnoah get good sales (maybe because of Urobutcher?), and Black Butler gets okay sales because of it returning to the original manga storyline. My opinion may not mean anything, but if anything, from what I've seen, the stuff this summer that I thought would do okay in sales are. Plus Hanayamata hasn't shown anything great in all of its episode to surprise viewers or give them something to which they should support the sales. Hanayamata sucks. You don't have to explain yourself this much. The majority clearly agrees with you, since it has mediocre sales. And it isnt the subject material since Lobu libu is still going strong. Love Live was cute, had dancing and drama and was awesome. Hanababatutuwaba has moe and tropes. Love Live had moe and tropes off the scale, stop comparing Hanayamata to Love Live. |
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Tyrel said: Progeusz said: And obviously those 3 weeks of episodes showed in the Preorders. I'm not obsessing over it, I'm just pulling ideas out. There's a reason why I had a (?) question mark.It's common for various episodes to be done by different people. No point in obsessing over that. What really matters is who works on whole thing. Its sales probably come from the fact that its an emotionless teenager using edge to beat overwhelming enemies. That shit is popular. |
Tyrel said: I'm pretty sure it being Aniplex show has MUCH more to do with Aldnoah hype. West overestimates Urobuchi's influence. Both fans and skeptics. Just don't talk about him when mentioning Aldnoah because he isn't that relevant here.And obviously those 3 weeks of episodes showed in the Preorders. I'm not obsessing over it, I'm just pulling ideas out. There's a reason why I had a (?) question mark. And no, those three weeks of episodes don't show anything because the show was solicited after they aired. If anything, it isn't doing as well as other Aniplex shows. |
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said: [ You don't have to explain yourself this much. The majority clearly agrees with you, since it has mediocre sales. Pre-order rankings =/ Sales That aside, you seem be confused as to what sales mean. Low sales do not mean the series was disliked. |
| I'm enjoying Hanayamata. It's the only show I'm following this season (last season I followed Love Live 2 and Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san). The art and characters are nice (I'm surprised the moe otaku are turned off by the art, its art style fits very well into the moe mold), and I don't really mind the drama. No genre fatigue here, and I've stuffed myself with moe SoLs recently. So far I like Hanayamata more than, for example, Kiniro Mosaic and Yuru Yuri. rederoin said: Pre-order rankings =/ Sales That aside, you seem be confused as to what sales mean. Low sales do not mean the series was disliked. I agree. Popularity and sales doesn't correlate with quality, or even general fan opinion. |
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Tyrel said: Hoppy said: Because it's not that good? Simple as that. The story is meh at best. Compared to other shows that revolve around girls doing things, Hanayamata just doesn't have the feel to it.Anyone know what is wrong with Hanayamata that it's getting bad preorder numbers? Hanayamata is too Chinese. Honestly, if I didnt see dat show on MAL, I would think its a Chinese cartoon |
| Why are some people comparing Love Live! and Hanayamata? They are nothing alike! Love Live is a multimedia franchise 2.5D idol show. Hanayamata is an adaption from the Manga Kirara Time family (i.e. Moe to the max). There is nothing similar about them and their potential target audience apart from both being anime. BTW, I enjoyed Love Live and I'm really enjoying Hanayamata. And as for Hanayamata being chinese???? Yosakoi is about as Japanese as you can get!! I'm lucky enough to live near a Japanese collage that has a awesome drum team as well as a Yosakoi group and it really is amazing to watch live! |
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scruffykiwi said: Why are some people comparing Love Live! and Hanayamata? They are nothing alike! Love Live is a multimedia franchise 2.5D idol show. Hanayamata is an adaption from the Manga Kirara Time family (i.e. Moe to the max). There is nothing similar about them and their potential target audience apart from both being anime. BTW, I enjoyed Love Live and I'm really enjoying Hanayamata. And as for Hanayamata being chinese???? Yosakoi is about as Japanese as you can get!! I'm lucky enough to live near a Japanese collage that has a awesome drum team as well as a Yosakoi group and it really is amazing to watch live! What I can't believe is how modern it is, Yosakoi started in 1954. Which gives me another reason why Hanayamata isn't getting the proper number of preorders, yosakoi, despite being a modern dance is based off traditional dances (wearing happi and yukata at least in Japan, in other countries who have Yosakoi teams sometimes dress differently) and to the buying fanbase in Japan, it may come off as way too Japanese. |
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| Warming up for season 3 ;) *9. 21,872 21,872 Uta no Prince-sama♪ Idol Song Camu (Junjounaru Ai - Aspiration-) by Camu (CV: Tomoaki Maeno) rederoin said: On another subject, the Bodacious Space Pirates movie is doing rather good on the amazon rankings, which was not expected with its low box office. Here is hoping it atleast hits 20k :O oh yeah XD I've been waiting all this time for season 2 so they better do it or else :( |
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Mayjaplaya said: I agree. Popularity and sales doesn't correlate with quality, or even general fan opinion. Well, the big blockbuster shows in sales such as EVA, Bakemonogatari and Madoka are better than average. I think there is a correlation between entertainment factor and sales, stuff like Attack on Titan was a hit for very obvious reasons. |
scruffykiwi said: Why are some people comparing Love Live! and Hanayamata? They are nothing alike! Love Live is a multimedia franchise 2.5D idol show. Hanayamata is an adaption from the Manga Kirara Time family (i.e. Moe to the max). There is nothing similar about them and their potential target audience apart from both being anime. BTW, I enjoyed Love Live and I'm really enjoying Hanayamata. I agree entirely. I don't really see how one rips off the other, when they're really not that alike. Not seeing how they're comparable too much other than they share a couple of the same features. I loved Love Live!!, but Hanayamata is kind of boring to me. Just personal tastes, but yeah. Either way, fights are fun to watch either way lol. |
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| The sales of Free! Op is amazing.. Hoping that it would reach the same blockbuster success of the season 1. |
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scytheavatar said: scruffykiwi said: Why are some people comparing Love Live! and Hanayamata? They are nothing alike! Love Live is a multimedia franchise 2.5D idol show. Hanayamata is an adaption from the Manga Kirara Time family (i.e. Moe to the max). There is nothing similar about them and their potential target audience apart from both being anime. They have the same basic structure and formula: cute girls form club, get more cute girls to join club, do cute club activities and get character growth from said activities. The target audience of Love Live are the guys who brought K-On/Girls und Panzer rather than the guys who brought Idolm@ster, and that is the same target audience for Hanayamata. No. The Love Live! anime is there to promote and build a 2.5D idol group, as evidenced by the HUGE drop in sales from volume 1 to 2 (1 included an event ticket). You need to look at all the other sales that go with the show (albums etc) to see what it is all about. Sure the anime also has CGDCT elements but that is a byproduct to build strength in the different character brands. Overall Love Live! is an insanely well produced multimedia steamroller. Hanayamata on the other hand is just a CGDCT show, nothing more. |
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scytheavatar said: Hoppy said: Genre fatigue is setting in then. It's more than that actually, I have watched 2 episodes of Hanayamata and I enjoyed it but didn't love it as much as I did for Love Live. It's a slower pace, more artsy show with mediocre art quality, the type of series otakus might like but wouldn't go gaga over. Compare this to Barakamon which has terrific art plus more energy and humor, and it's not hard to see why there seems to be more interest for Barakamon. That Hanayamata show just seems to lack the variety of Love Live's cast and while it's similar in concept it's fairly different in tone. I'd describe Love Live as more spunky, amusing and energetic while Hanayamata is more traditionally cutesy. Hanayamata just seems to lack what I can really only describe as the "attack" of Love Live that pushes it over the edge between just cute girls doing cute things and a show that feels like it's about something a little more. Like normally I'm not able to sit through a show like that and even kind of enjoy it. It kind of helps that the music in general is pretty damn catchy be it the BGM or some of the vocal tracks and again I'm not typically a huge fan of Idol Music, but they do it in an old school J-Pop kind of way that's sort of nostalgic. Anyway I did see a couple episode of Hanayamata and it's better than I thought, but still kind of just too traditionally moe for me to get all that into though I like the whole Yosakoi dance thing (moreso as a fighting style in Persona 4 though). I don't see how it sucks though like some people said. Like I'm sure it's fine for the audience that is into those sort of innocent genre shows. Progeusz said: Tyrel said: I'm pretty sure it being Aniplex show has MUCH more to do with Aldnoah hype. West overestimates Urobuchi's influence. Both fans and skeptics. Just don't talk about him when mentioning Aldnoah because he isn't that relevant here.And obviously those 3 weeks of episodes showed in the Preorders. I'm not obsessing over it, I'm just pulling ideas out. There's a reason why I had a (?) question mark. And no, those three weeks of episodes don't show anything because the show was solicited after they aired. If anything, it isn't doing as well as other Aniplex shows. I wonder how many people are still unaware of the obvious connection between Aniplex productions and hype. Like definitely nobody hypes their own products like they do (the West seems more susceptible to this sort of thing for sure), which they did again with Aldnoah.Zero, just not really in the right way IMO. The problem here again is they often seem to give up on maintaining that hype and narrative momentum after a certain number of episodes relying on things like license popularity and big name staffers to carry the product. I don't know if it's directly the result of it but it's interesting to see how much the momentum for Aldnoah.Zero dropped off after Urobuchi stopped writing the scripts. It can always still regain it with some strong episodes, but to see it go from a potential 25K or so seller to a Stalker predicted (albeit almost certainly underestimated) 5K seller in a little over two weeks is kind of surprising. One other thing that's kind of interesting about Aldnoah.Zero's release that I noticed was that in an unusual move they put 3 episode on the first disc then only 2 on the second one. Usually the first disc will be one of those discounted 1 episode discs with a smart extra to act as a lead for a disc set, but they seem to be playing things very differently here and my only theory is that they want to package the Urobuchi scripted episodes together cause they're betting long on that being a big draw for it. I mean I can't remember the last time I saw a show that seemed to be betting so strongly on fan loyalty towards it's staffers as a draw. They plastered the staff names all over the product description for the discs with only a really small 3 line conceptual summary of the show itself, which is also pretty different since usually you'll get a multi paragraph summary of what the show is about for prospective buyers instead of the multi-paragraph summary telling you all the big hyped shows each key staffer worked on before. If the goal isn't strictly for the show to sell based on the popularity of the staff involved first and foremost Aniplex really isn't doing a good job of showing it basically. |
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