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Jun 26, 2013 2:46 PM
#52
Great show, even though most of it was a flashback it was well done, I liked the character development and the ending was excellent. The whole zombie proccess wasn't that big of a problem to me, more like the opposite. |
Jun 28, 2013 7:16 AM
#53
Waaa... Can't stop myself from crying. This is probably one of the saddest ending I've seen. **Sigh** stories of friendship always makes me cry. But anyway, I think Brandon did not die since Mika said "Welcome Back".... So overall, it was a great story with great character development. |
Aug 1, 2013 7:46 AM
#54
I dont think that Brandon died i think he survived and is living with Mika |
Dec 22, 2013 11:15 AM
#55
A decent ending of this story but I must say that this whole story really disappointed me as well it is still rated 8/10 but for me it doesn't give me the proper quality I would expect from a 8/10 rated anime... The pace was rather horrible and it only started to become good when we were in the middle of the story. So yea in general I didn't like it at all but well it did entertain me sometimes! 6/10 |
Jan 2, 2014 9:42 PM
#56
I enjoyed the anime, but it really could have been executed a lot better. The last 2-3 episodes were great though; I LOVED the flashbacks with their friends.7/10. I guess all Brandon Heat wanted to do was protect people. Shit, he was even protecting his enemies in this last episode by not fatally wounding any of Millenion's men. |
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Feb 21, 2014 11:00 AM
#57
one of the best endings and final episodes ive ever seen to a show, brandon and harry's deaths were stunning. Im not gonna lie i teared up when they both died together. This series was phenomenal, while the sci-fi bits were more mixed in quality than the consistently amazing mob story these last 4 episodes were easily the best part of the series and the ending is chill worthy. Its a very enthusiastic 9/10 for me bOnesS said: They were probably going for a bit of interpretation for the viewers but its pretty clear what happened, they both died together in one final act of friendship and redemption for all the wrong they have doneI don't understand what happened in the end. They died , i'm sure of that , but why was Mika smiling ? Brandon and Harry died hugging each other or something like that ? even hypothetically if brandon had survived that, it'd not matter, hes already passed his expiration date with the necrolization and he'd simply crumble to dust in the coming hours or minutes due to the wounds. Brandon and harry both died together, I interpret mika in the last scene as her saying goodbye to him, "welcome home" as in hes finally in a place of peace with all his loved ones, The credits can be seen as all the characters now in the afterlife who died welcoming both harry and brandon which is why they were saying their names. depressing but beautiful |
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Feb 22, 2014 1:18 AM
#58
Classic anime ending. We will kill him off just because. He could have easily survived but na, he felt like he deserved to die or some stupid BS etc. sigh. great series though. but like so many others I need to try to forget the end. |
Jul 9, 2014 12:53 PM
#59
AironicallyHuman said: This would've been the perfect final episode, if not for Big Daddy putting his hand on Maria's shoulder in NTR fashion. Just when you think Brandon might get another chance as a spirit to get it on with his true love, Big Daddy appeared as a spirit to cockblock him. I'm sure the writers were trolling when they decided to let an old man impregnate a woman half his age, when she only ever loved the virgin lead... I know, in reality, people don't always make the right choices and it was realistic in that sense, but seriously: LET THE LEAD DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN KILL PEOPLE ALIVE AND COME BACK TO DO MORE KILLING AFTER DRYING! He'd give basement dwelling otaku a run for their money in the virgin league. ...Anyway, the final episode was as good as it could've been, ignoring the BrandonxMariaxBig Daddy fuckery. Brandon always communicated through his actions and he wasn't about to change his style when confronted with the man who'd killed him: he saved him over and over until it clicked that he wasn't ever able to truly betray Harry. Brandon ACTUALLY SPEAKING A FEW WORDS to hammer this home as Harry sobbed - apologizing over and over - was touching. Even after everything that had happened and all of the people that Harry had killed, deep down they were still best friends. It was nice for them to go out together with their relationship repaired, rather than the series ending with Harry transforming into some kind of demonic monster. The series had its weaker moments because of the undead stuff, for sure, but it says a lot about the non-undead writing for the series to end with their bond of broship still intact. Overall, Gungrave is still worth a spot in my top ten, many years after I first watched it in a Berserk-esque 26 episode marathon. The Blood War, Bob-heli, Lee-spider and Big Daddy NTR did detract from my enjoyment, but even when Gungrave was bad it was still betterthan most animated rubbish pumped out. So good was the characterisation that I ended up preferring Harry over a certain Michael Corleone. I might have been conflicted over my score, had the series not improved as it neared the end, but episodes 24-26 were all in the 9-10/10 tier and made up for much of the post-gangster disappointment that came before. You sir, can't agree anymore with you. The fact that Big Daddy got Maria and Maria returned his love, i can't comprehend that shit. It was nearly unbearable at points that Brandon didn't get her and some old fart got her. |
Jan 5, 2015 7:40 AM
#60
I think most of the episodes taking place in the present were awful compare to the back story episodes and the episodes 9&10 which really introduced the mutants were bad also but i still really enjoyed watching the series. I do think that the back story episodes were fantastic (excluding 9&10) and i kinda do wished there would be a alternative version with added scene to make the back story of Brandon and others a series of it's own without the mutant aspect. But yeah. Still highly recommend the show. |
Jan 7, 2015 12:40 PM
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Jan 27, 2015 12:06 AM
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Jan 31, 2015 10:39 PM
#63
Not bad, just fine. 6.5/10 |
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Feb 16, 2015 9:36 AM
#64
I really liked this show, especially the characters and especially Harry, because he was so well written and morally ambiguous that it was hard to either love him or hate him, or to be more accurate, he felt human, unlike many one and two dimensional characters(not in this show particularly); Harry was also nicely developed from being the powerless happy child, to the power hungry man he became after he joined Millennion. On the other hand, I think Brandon was kind of less developed, because since the very beginning he was caring more for the others and less for himself, in other words, to me, he felt like a two dimensional character. I think the story should've ended in episode 24, Harry being killed by the ambush, Brandon living with Mika, as well as taking a stance that he didn't betray anyone instead of just keep being silent. Jumping to episode 26, I still think it would've been a better ending if Brandon just killed Harry. It would have been much more satisfying end for me at least, due to what have happened to Brandon and I think it would've developed his character a bit, showing that he had a grudge against Harry for killing him, Maria, Big Daddy, Gary and Widge. I think that would've been the most realistic scenario, since I kind of find it hard to believe that it will just pass like that, just because he's your best friend. Other thing that I didn't like was the forced relationship between Maria and Big Daddy, they just should have kept Brandon and Maria together, it was way more natural than the forced relationship between Big Daddy and Maria. And the last thing that ruined the show for me were the Necrolyzers(or w/e they are called). It would've been more interesting if there was a struggle for power between the other organizations and the betrayal between the friends and family, but that would have made it into a whole different show and war between mafias. Other than that, I enjoyed the character of Bear and his struggle between the emotions for his daughter and Millennion, the love for his subordinates, not letting them become Necrolyzers, I think he was even more interesting character than that of Harry. To summarize, the show's most shinning moments for me were during the first half and the characters, tho, the weakest were the forced romance between Maria and Big Daddy and the Necrolyzers, and probably the ending for me, would've prefer if Brandon just killed Harry. |
ourielFeb 16, 2015 9:42 AM
Feb 21, 2015 4:24 PM
#65
What an emotional last episode. I prefer this ending over the game's ending. Brandon had, as he said himself, no future, since Harry killed him. No matter what Beyond the Grave would have died anyway. Just a small thing but I like how the name of the first episode is "Destroyer in the Dusk" and the name of the last episode is "Dusk of the Destroyers". I enjoyed the first half of the series enough to give it a 7/10, but I liked the second half even more. 14-17 and 24-26 were the highlights of the show. Despite what others think I feel that episode 1 was necessary just to see how it all came back together in episode 18. I already played the game beforehand so I knew the main spoiler and also expected the fights with the Superiors so I didn't feel like it was stupid or anything. Unfortunately, Mika existed. Harry was definitely my favourite character. I felt that Brandon was too stupid to really like him despite his skills, for reasons mentioned earlier. Overall a 7.5/10. |
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Feb 27, 2015 4:17 PM
#66
ouriel said: the weakest were the forced romance between Maria and Big Daddy and the Necrolyzers, and probably the ending for me, would've prefer if Brandon just killed Harry. So many things just don't hold water here. New Boss said to Mika that she nothing can't do with it, but then he commands to stop shooting few seconds later point of no return. Just let Brandon stays alive, it would justife Big Daddy x Maria crap somehow(it excludes kinda incest). Why so much hate to Mika? She deserves happiness. At least there is always some work for Brandon till Mika is alive. But still it's a good tale, seems complete. UPD. just watched game's ending and it really justifies BDxMaria shit and Mika's future safety as well, but there is some lack of Harry and Brandon friendship, I guess. |
kl8onFeb 28, 2015 3:06 AM
Apr 29, 2015 9:24 PM
#67
What an amazing last episode to an amazing series and while the pre-time skip was for me more enjoyable as a whole this series was downright fantastic. |
Aug 10, 2015 12:54 AM
#68
trash ending for a trash anime. 4/10 |
Oct 10, 2015 1:59 PM
#69
Oct 14, 2015 8:38 AM
#70
8/10. Great anime that had a decent ending. I just wished Brandon and Maria were together at the end. Oh well, a classic. I would have given this a 9/10 but the visuals and animation were very inconsistent through the show. RIP Brandon and Harry. |
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Oct 16, 2015 2:20 AM
#71
The great first half could not save the trainwreck known as Necrolyze that became of it afterwards. I know I'm in the minority here but I just can't believe that people are actually buying that bullshit of an ending. Attempted forced pity for Harry and apparently friendship is only magic if you're best friends. What a terrible character Brandon turned out to be. |
Oct 24, 2015 10:44 AM
#72
Gungrave overdose?..... Damn that was just a sad ending I was really hoping for a good one. When he and mika go off into the sunset |
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Oct 26, 2015 9:40 PM
#73
Everything up until the point where Harry killed Brandon was great. But once the series transitioned from mafia to sci-fi and all the Necrolyze/Superior shit appeared it really dropped in quality. 7/10 |
Oct 26, 2015 10:00 PM
#74
I saw this like a year ago, but just came here to say this is probably my favorite anime of all time. Personally I thought the genre transition and timeskip were done wonderfully and the anime wouldn't have been the same without them. |
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Nov 3, 2015 11:41 PM
#75
I first watched Gungrave a decade ago on G4TV. I didn't see all the episodes, just 2 or 3 to keep me interested and remembering it to this day. I finally decided to rewatch it, and I'm glad I did. I just want to thank myself for remembering the little things or else i wouldn't be here today. lol The only thing that pissed me off in Gungrave was how Brandon pushed Maria away. She waited 8 years for him(even though she considered him as a little brother at first lol), and he just pushed her away and gave her to Big Daddy. WTF was that? smh Young Harry(before killing Brandon) was a cool character, but old Harry? I feel nothing but dislike towards him. My expectations for the last episode were different, but it was still good. |
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Nov 6, 2015 10:04 AM
#76
I was thinking to give this a 7-8 until last the episode. I can't believe how the story came back around and the theme of loyalty no longer felt cheesy. It felt like every episode they pound loyalty this and loyalty that into your head, but after awhile you realize that is just Brandon's personality, he is just a very loyal person to his friends. |
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Feb 13, 2016 4:19 PM
#77
I think his main thought was to kill Harry but then he wanted to show him that he was wrong ,and to show him that he is still loyal to him ,the true power of friendship |
Jun 4, 2016 9:52 PM
#78
............... I don't know what to say really. Gungrave is flawless in practically every category. Sure, there were aspects that could've been better and things that should've been trashed but still one of the greatest anime series of all time. |
Jul 25, 2016 5:52 AM
#79
this was the greatest underrated anime ever and the plot was superb. with both harry and brandon started from the ashes and rose to the top. in the end brandon chose harry over the organisation, his love and betrayal. |
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Aug 2, 2016 1:58 AM
#80
That'll definitely be a finale to remember. In the end, Brandon chose Harry over Millennion. A few episodes back, Brandon said that he himself was Millennion. In that sense, he chose his best friend over his own life. I've been putting this off for who knows how long. The start certainly didn't help on first impressions. Beyond the first episode, however, it only continued to exceed expectations. The rise of Brandon and Harry through Millennion was pure genius as it created a subtle distance between the two. Brandon was there to protect the family he'd made in Millennion (Marie, Big Daddy, Harry) while Harry could only aim for the top. Although I like how this transitions into the present day story, I really do stand by the belief that this flashback was the strongest part of Gungrave. In all honesty, this could have been a mafioso masterpiece without the sci-fi aspect. That's not to say it didn't have merits. It's just that having one dimensional helicopter Bob and Scyther Lee went a little too far for my tastes. Brandon's resurrection as Beyond the Grave demonstrated that some feelings transcend death. That bit with Harry and Brandon reminiscing in this final episode particularly drove that one home. Not to mention that even with the supernatural elements, the tragedy and drama were still turned to the max as Harry's empire crumbled and Brandon continued his vengeance with his days numbered. I can't say Mika grew on me too much, but after watching Marie's journey I could appreciate her a bit more. I also really liked that final conversation between Brandon and Mika, very heartfelt. I'd say that the flashback segment is easily worth a 9.5/10. I wasn't as fond of the present day with Mika and Harry's Millennion, but I'd still give that aspect of it an 8/10. Overall still a 9/10. |
Sep 3, 2016 7:53 PM
#81
This is probably the final episode of an anime that brought the most tears into my eyes. What a great way to finish this series imo. Overall I enjoyed many things such as the characters (especially Brandon Harry Bunji and Bear) the amazing music and the story was also impressive. What I didn't enjoy that much were what many others had said before the sci-fi elements in this series. It could have gotten so much better without it but I think it was necessarily for the story though. |
SilentSword114Sep 3, 2016 7:59 PM
Sep 11, 2016 6:42 AM
#82
Underrated anime, it's good story with the old feels feels like berserk is going to end like this like some have said jagleny said: After Brandon's death the series went down hill. It's still fun to watch though. yeah it's old post but agree |
Oct 20, 2016 3:04 PM
#83
this was a good anime and left a good impression even though its not a 10 i cant bring myself not to put in my favourite anime anyway i liked it as a whole interesting story nice characters, a very unique anime ( sad how revenge destroys everything but i still like it neverthless) |
Jul 31, 2017 4:50 AM
#84
Sep 17, 2017 9:58 AM
#85
What a volatile series. It had its high points, it had its low. The directing was hit or miss, sometimes it was some of my favorite ever, sometimes it was overbearing. The characterization of everyone from episodes 2-16 was phenomenal except for Blood War and Cannon Vulcan. Supernatural elements were done poorly, especially with these two. Time skips weren't done ideally, literally changing Brandon to an entirely different character and all, but in the end they are excusable. However, episodes 17-26 ranged from awful, to mediocre uncharacteristically ending on a high note. Gungrave was a great crime drama, with such a developed entire cast which turned into a mediocre nonsensical rule of cool hellsing style action show. It wasn't horrible, but it lost nearly all of its charm with its careful and detailed character writing and tasteful use of violence. With such a volatile show I'm not sure what to rate it. Right now it's either a 6 or a 7/10, can't decide. |
Oct 9, 2017 8:58 AM
#86
Nov 9, 2017 9:59 AM
#87
gfsdfgsdgsdfgs said: What a volatile series. It had its high points, it had its low. The directing was hit or miss, sometimes it was some of my favorite ever, sometimes it was overbearing. The characterization of everyone from episodes 2-16 was phenomenal except for Blood War and Cannon Vulcan. Supernatural elements were done poorly, especially with these two. Time skips weren't done ideally, literally changing Brandon to an entirely different character and all, but in the end they are excusable. However, episodes 17-26 ranged from awful, to mediocre uncharacteristically ending on a high note. Gungrave was a great crime drama, with such a developed entire cast which turned into a mediocre nonsensical rule of cool hellsing style action show. It wasn't horrible, but it lost nearly all of its charm with its careful and detailed character writing and tasteful use of violence. With such a volatile show I'm not sure what to rate it. Right now it's either a 6 or a 7/10, can't decide. You were basically writing down my thoughts throughout the series' discussions, and I'll just quote you here for what I have to say about this show instead of writing anything myself. Cheers. |
Mar 18, 2018 6:03 AM
#88
Got mixed feeling in the last 1/3 of the anime. I agree with many people above about the show' main problems being the monster, X-men, zombie nonsense, which IMO ruined the traditional western mafia atmosphere presented in the warm-up stage. On top of that, how Brandon turned into a "Terminator" didn't feel well to me either. Bunji and Bear had lots of potentials, wish they had more screen time. There were some annoying characters or ones that I both like and despise. With all stated above, I think Madhouse really nailed the main themes of this anime which, from my observation, are family and karma. What Harry did was of utter atrocity but understandable and he had what he deserved in the end. Brandon had to carry too huge a burden to the point that he practically lost his way in the climax of the anime. I really enjoyed the ending, it was family that's above all else, no matter what kind of atrocity your "family" had committed, you can hardly ever turn your back on them. Animation and sound were well handled, especially the former. There were lots of breathtaking shot at the climax which really brought back my memories of watching Godfather. The action sequence is a feast for the eye, as expected from Madhouse. Overall, this anime could have been done way, way better. What a shame though, I was very conflicted with myself as to how to properly rate this anime in the last episode. Since I don't get to see this kind of anime much I'll boost it up from a 6 to 7. Well done Madhouse. |
Mar 27, 2018 11:02 AM
#89
I didn't like how Grave defended Harry but at least the end was well directed and made. 8/10 not a masterpiece but a fun to watch anime. |
Aug 29, 2018 7:41 AM
#90
On my rewatch, I stand by what I wrote on this series seven years ago. Farabeuf said: Wonderful last episode. Really touching. My take on Brandon is that people expect too much from him. At the end he was what he always was. An orphan in search of love/family who was loyal to his friend to the last. If Harry hadn't shot him back in the day, Brandon would have probably remained with him. He chose Harry McDowell all along. And even though he loved Maria, he was incapable of having a romantic relationship with a woman. He just couldn't imagining himself making her happy and that's why he was content with letting Big Daddy ending up with her. 9/10 just because the Superiors were too silly. They should have done a better job with that. |
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Apr 19, 2019 5:53 PM
#91
Amazing finale, I loved how it kept switching between their younger and current versions to express feelings, very satisfied and definitely heartbroken seeing how everything ended, when did things go wrong, indeed. What a great series, I was curious about this one and it surpassed my expectations, the character drama was amazing, the directions the story took always felt like a hit to me, what a ride it was. |
May 30, 2019 4:42 PM
#92
This show was cool and also very touching. A bit of melodrama is nice every once in a while. |
Sep 12, 2019 11:17 AM
#93
This is most underrated anime ive ever seen. A story so epic and vast that takes place over decades of time. Even the minor characters have a big role in the story. The animation cheaps out a bit in serval episodes. But stills holds up, despite being 17 years old. I really enjoyed this. I'm surprised I never heard of this show before. I only found this because it was recommended after watching Gangsta and 91 days. And Id say Gungrave was better than both of those. Score 9/10. |
Oct 16, 2019 12:36 PM
#94
What I like about this anime: The plot is the no 1 reason I watched this anime. This is as good as it can be. How the story starts with a group of street punks and how they became different from each other in character wise is really extrem looking. I personally think Brandon and Harry is same because they both did choose wrong paths and thats what makes them where the story ends with them dead at the same place where they started as a group. For Brandon he chooses Harry over the organization millennium and for harry betraying Brandon and killing him is the point he stated to fall. Seeking for power and climbing the ladder of success blind his eyes and as result the story ended with sorrow. What I dislike about this anime: Brandon giving away the only woman he ever loved to a wrinkled old CRIME BOSS over double her age, simply because he kills people for a living, is one of the dumbest moves by any character, in any medium. Ever. Maria loved Brandon enough to not date or even think about anyone else for all those years, and she even went out of her way to see him again, after three years of being ignored... yet he still gave her the cold shoulder. All he ever did was make her unhappy in some sort of daft attempt at sacrificing his own feelings in order to make her happy. Logic, where? The best part of it all is that all he managed to accomplish by giving everything to Big Daddy was hurting everyone he cared for. And sending dresses to a girl you're ignoring is a great way to confuse the hell out of them. Not smart. Had there been a love triangle involving Brandon, Maria and Harry, I MIGHT have understood Brandon backing away so the best friend he supported could be with the girl he loved. But having her be impregnated by an old man she had referred to as her uncle for the duration of her stay at Big Daddy's mansion was just... Ugh. I'd prefer a cliched doomed true love story if it meant avoiding old men women don't love getting comfort sex/love after the women get rejected by the men they love. This has always been my #1 issue with Gungrave. The gangster backstory was as good as it could've been, considering it was inserted into an adaptation of an undead shoot 'em up, but it just didn't make sense for Brandon not to get it on with his beloved. Had he died leaving behind a pregnant lover, and his child come looking for him 13 years after his death, it would've been a hell of a lot more dramatic/powerful (credit: Aironacallyhuman, my opinion is same as this person) I'll give this a 7/10. |
Dec 28, 2019 2:20 PM
#95
My favorite thing about this anime's conclusion is that, as Mika pointed out in earlier episode, Grave's entire revenge path ended up almost meaningless because of how Harry was naturally ruled out by Organization itself. Brandon and Harry's reunion was beautiful and very different from what i initially expected. They end up where they started, both on the verge of death and their friendship is proven one last time. An absolute kino ending, one of the best i've seen in an anime. |
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Jan 3, 2020 9:25 AM
#96
Gungrave had it's ups and downs, but this ending was fulfilling for me and it proved that this isn't your typical revenge story. I still believe that Blood War was a bad character, Big Daddy was too old for Maria and the necro-rising part was like a double-edged sword, which on the one hand felt ridiculous and out of place, but on the other hand it pushed the story forward to this kind of finale. I am choosing to focus on the more positive aspects of this anime, so I'll give it a solid 8/10. Looking forward to Gungrave G.O.RE. on PS4 |
NaughtyNoddyJan 3, 2020 9:29 AM
May 2, 2020 2:23 PM
#97
Ngl the manly tears won't stop flowing. Everything started with their friendship and after losing so much they still got each other, beautiful. Was one hell of a finale. Everything from the conversation in their old base to the post credits scene, it was pretty much perfect. Definitely didn't hope for that much emotional pay-off, especially after latter portion of the series took the sci-fi mutant route. Based on how much I loved it in the end, I would easily give this series a 9/10, if it weren't for the fair share of issues it had. Was nonetheless always entertaining, even during the trashier segments. A good old mafia/(revenge) story has it's charm after all, tho, the frienship theme is what eventually made this series for me. 8,5/10 |
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May 4, 2020 10:05 PM
#98
Oh goodie, more lame flashbacks... And some odd camera angles during that bizarre psychological murder mystery themed scene in the booth at their old hangout Really mediocre ending. Really mediocre 1/3 of the series. I had really started to enjoy the show by about the midway point (bumping my rating up to an 8/10). But the final 1/3 of the show is more like a 5/10 for me, causing the final overall rating of 6/10. I hope Brandon's actually dead. He doesn't deserve to necro-live. He's a chump, a follower, a pushover. I can't believe how anti-Brandon I am at this point. Letting his boss sleep with the woman he loved? Pussing out TWICE when trying to kill Harry? All of the good/interesting aspects about Brandon's character earlier in the series are cancelled out by his complete lack of personal ambition and self-respect. Maybe he has some sort of mental health condition? As for Harry... Meh, whatever. Don't think he regrets anything, including killing Brandon. I enjoyed early-Harry as a character, but he once he got into Millennion his character went south for me (I'm sure he wasn't meant to be "liked", he was the bad guy after all). The only other character of "importance" in the final episode - because everyone else is dead - is Mika. And...why?! Why was she in this series at all? They seriously could've done it without her character. She served NO purpose. Maria could've hit the "panic button" to revive Brandon herself while the assassins were coming for her. Probably would've been better that way, too. Revive Brandon only for him to arrive too late to save Maria, and *then* he goes on his revenge spree. Jmo. |
May 27, 2020 10:47 PM
#99
Avichii said: What I like about this anime: The plot is the no 1 reason I watched this anime. This is as good as it can be. How the story starts with a group of street punks and how they became different from each other in character wise is really extrem looking. I personally think Brandon and Harry is same because they both did choose wrong paths and thats what makes them where the story ends with them dead at the same place where they started as a group. For Brandon he chooses Harry over the organization millennium and for harry betraying Brandon and killing him is the point he stated to fall. Seeking for power and climbing the ladder of success blind his eyes and as result the story ended with sorrow. What I dislike about this anime: Brandon giving away the only woman he ever loved to a wrinkled old CRIME BOSS over double her age, simply because he kills people for a living, is one of the dumbest moves by any character, in any medium. Ever. Maria loved Brandon enough to not date or even think about anyone else for all those years, and she even went out of her way to see him again, after three years of being ignored... yet he still gave her the cold shoulder. All he ever did was make her unhappy in some sort of daft attempt at sacrificing his own feelings in order to make her happy. Logic, where? The best part of it all is that all he managed to accomplish by giving everything to Big Daddy was hurting everyone he cared for. And sending dresses to a girl you're ignoring is a great way to confuse the hell out of them. Not smart. Had there been a love triangle involving Brandon, Maria and Harry, I MIGHT have understood Brandon backing away so the best friend he supported could be with the girl he loved. But having her be impregnated by an old man she had referred to as her uncle for the duration of her stay at Big Daddy's mansion was just... Ugh. I'd prefer a cliched doomed true love story if it meant avoiding old men women don't love getting comfort sex/love after the women get rejected by the men they love. This has always been my #1 issue with Gungrave. The gangster backstory was as good as it could've been, considering it was inserted into an adaptation of an undead shoot 'em up, but it just didn't make sense for Brandon not to get it on with his beloved. Had he died leaving behind a pregnant lover, and his child come looking for him 13 years after his death, it would've been a hell of a lot more dramatic/powerful (credit: Aironacallyhuman, my opinion is same as this person) I'll give this a 7/10. I don't think it's about not being able to be with her because of killing people. Big Daddy was the top boss of an organized crime syndicate ordering many hits and assassinations or execution-style killings of rivals and opponents on a regular basis. Brandon just wasn't that type of guy to begin with. It isn't a question of being "dumb", because calling someone dumb presumes that they want the same things you do in the first place (that you want for them vicariously or you would want for yourself in that same situation) and are just too unintelligent and inept or something to achieve them. It's quite possible to "love" someone as a friend in the platonic sense, in the familial sense, or even be physically/sexually attracted to them but not desire a romantic relationship with them and have no intention of dating, marrying, procreating, or otherwise interacting with them in that way. Brandon wasn't blind or weak or stupid for just not wanting that or seeing it as a valid option for his own life. It seems to me he just cared for Maria more in the platonic/familial sense the same as he cared for Harry, Big Daddy, his old friends from the slum, and eventually her daughter, but never wanted to seriously conceptualize their relationship in a romantic sense because he wasn't a romantic person. He was probably effectively an aromantic, neurologically, psychologically, and socially. Every single step of his persona and actions screams that. |
Dec 8, 2020 4:26 PM
#100
Well shit. I had expected this series to end with Brandon killing Harry and realising that evil manifests itself everywhere and is therefore impossible to eliminate, but I vastly prefer this way of closing things off. Harry had cemented himself as being a pretty irredeemable person throughout this show but watching him panic as his entire world crumbled before him was genuinely hard to watch. I think that's what I like most about this series. It's very curt in how it introduces and kills off its characters (since their deaths were all motivated by the same principle). Even if all the time skips left the characters feeling a little rushed and undeveloped I still managed to feel something every time they were killed off. As for my criticisms, I've wasted no time in mocking how Brandon doesn't suit a show like this, so I won't belabour my point for much longer. I'm fine with silent protagonists, but my problem is that Brandon isn't a good silent protagonist. We know virtually nothing about him aside from the fact that he wants to protect those closest to him, which makes his relationship with some of the other characters feel quite forced and hard to believe. The one I find hardest to believe was Brandon's friendship with Harry. I just can't see the two being that close since they're quite literally the opposite of one another. Another fault I have with this series is how wildly inconsistent it is. I was left speechless in some of the episodes while I couldn't help but snicker at some of the others. The second half in particular is where the series began to miss the mark more frequently, since it was hard for me to invest myself in Brandon's safety when we don't really understand the limitations of necrolyzation. The same can be said about the action scenes with the big four. One criticism I can't understand is the problem people have with Mika. I think she has a pretty good reason to be distraught after seeing all the people she cares about die in front of her. An antithesis to Brandon's underdeveloped way of thinking is also something this show desperately needed. To circle back to the parallel I drew with Trigun in the second episode I'd say my prediction came true. For a mafia conglomerate which controls a decent portion of the city there really isn't any sign of impact on the outside world. The streets felt just as uninhabited before Harry became the king pin of Millenion as they did afterwards, which is a shame considering how interesting I found the locales to be. Despite my nitpicks the good definitely outweighs the bad here. From what I've gathered this series is largely it's own thing, which I think is commendable when considering how notorious game adaptations are within the anime community. |
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