The Case Study of Vanitas
| Yes. Like I can see saying it as a joke, some people repeat it without even watching a show or ask it’s BL without asking if the show is even good to begin with. A great example of this is Banana Fish. |
| That's quite a touchy subject, idk. But on the other hand, there are also circumstances when the assumption of this would be mainly derived from the fact that the authors had previously written BL stories; thus, encouraging the idea that any sort of intimacy could possibly have been implied or is shown subtle than how the actual relationship is portrayed. (Case in point: Natsume Ono and Haruko Kumota) |
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| It's totally understandable to ask wether it is gay or not, because a lot of people simply do not like watching something like that. But when you have Twitter Moment, when people are trying to imply that those characters are gay, despite there being no evidence for it or even trying to argue with an established kanon, then it is just pure cringe. |
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JayBlue said: About that banana fish statement, According to the author, Eiji and ash are soulmates and more then just friends...Yes. Like I can see saying it as a joke, some people repeat it without even watching a show or ask it’s BL without asking if the show is even good to begin with. A great example of this is Banana Fish. |
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LeonhartAugust said: Yes. It’s tiring and you don’t see the same with anime that are pretty much the same except it’s with girls. Yeah, exactly. I always don't get why its only when it's male characters that some assume that it may be gay. After some thoughts, their way of thinking may be "multiple male characters -> for girls = for fujoshi -> it's gay" and that's completely wrong. |
| Here is the thing - I ship the two guys together BUT I am getting really tired of the series' treatment by the audience, some think "Pretty boys = BL Bait" (Won't talk about what I am thinking about) It's not, it's not a bl bait. Yes, the characters are pretty as hell, yes, the anime screams "bisexuality", but it's by all means not a bl-bait anime just because you have this bickering between the MCs and that they are pretty. Vanitas no Carte has a good story and it's a shame people turn a blind eye to this one. 234Mannan said: I thought it was one-sided love or something? I don't deny the possibility of Eiji liking Ash back, but as far as I know, Ash has a crush on Eiji.JayBlue said: About that banana fish statement, According to the author, Eiji and ash are soulmates and more then just friends...Yes. Like I can see saying it as a joke, some people repeat it without even watching a show or ask it’s BL without asking if the show is even good to begin with. A great example of this is Banana Fish. |
TheOneOfSevenDec 12, 2021 10:04 AM
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| It's not about being clean shaven, it's about feminine men who have this "pretty boy" look. In terms of anime, characters like that are usually meant to appeal to female audiences. You'll often see them in shoujo or yaoi shows but of course it doesn't guarantee that any individual character is gay. |
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| I mean in the end people can either continue it or not but personally I don't find it annoying just because it's a natural response for some people who quickly grasp anything unusual about a character's appearance or are the ones that are quick to judge over such things they find it uncommon in mostly male so most masculine people out there, whether i'd be female or male, would feel unease and here comes the annoying part where they would start a war over seeing someone shipping Noe and Vanitas for instance: when they haven't watch the show and even before and after they watch the show is still considered as being toxic or coulf possibly disrespect the context of the series OR absolutely bait talking about the gay aspect in the show when there's literally nothing so gay to talk about. I felt like this is why most anime involving pretty and handsome boys who interacts with one another but mostly sometimes can be romantic or not are more suitable for female audiences so they should labelled it as shoujo to say the least (Also I'm not convincing that any masculine audiences shouldn't watch this just because it's not suitable for them but objectively speaking, they should be aware about the story by reading the manga first (since it's a lot more ahead) before watching the anime adaptation.) |
CQLLISTDec 31, 2021 9:59 PM
"......If I told you that I was a real witch, would you believe it?"  |
| well indians literally think that. damn looks like i have to change my thought son your country.lol really facial hair? do indians think every person living in this world are indians too? they will have long beards like them?that's... in my country, we do not really care about the fact you said. so it is weird lol well japanese , korean people hate facial hair. body hairs are considered nasty there, and for elderly men who go to work shaving is mandatary;teenagers do not really grow facial hairs when they are in schools, but some may grow but they shave that out.(that hair can't even be called as a beard or moustache.ol. it s just some lashes coming from your chin) Main hairs start to come from 20 when they go to college(can come even later) and they shave that out(no chance with girs otherwise.lol) well you see right in anime most teenagers do not have body hairs. it is same there. and in case of korea, the same goes, for looking handsome(i think they have done laser treatment) |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
| Okay as a fan of the show, I kinda get why people think this is gay/BL. Average male doesn't look as pretty as vanitas and doesn't act like vanitas. I can see why people think this appeals to the female audience because it feels umanly. Vanitas and Noe's relationship is "cute" unlike general male and male relationships. So you can't really blame them. Let people assume what they want, let us watch what we want. |
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Blue_Envy1598 said: That's understandable, but Yoshida did confirm Ash did have feelings for Eiji. I believe he never confessed because he lived a dangerous life and he couldn't drag Eiji along more than he had to from the start.TheOneOfSeven said: Here is the thing - I ship the two guys together BUT I am getting really tired of the series' treatment by the audience, some think "Pretty boys = BL Bait" (Won't talk about what I am thinking about) It's not, it's not a bl bait. Yes, the characters are pretty as hell, yes, the anime screams "bisexuality", but it's by all means not a bl-bait anime just because you have this bickering between the MCs and that they are pretty. Vanitas no Carte has a good story and it's a shame people turn a blind eye to this one. I thought it was one-sided love or something? I don't deny the possibility of Eiji liking Ash back, but as far as I know, Ash has a crush on Eiji. To my knowledge Ash and Eiji's relationship never went beyond friendship (and neither ever confessed to having romantic feelings) and you don't have to be more than friends to care for one another deeply or to love each other. Even if it's two guys, shocker right? They were described as being soulmates in the sequel to Banana Fish, but it doesn't have to mean in a more than friendship type of way. Edit: Take my words with some grain of salt. I am looking for any confirmation, but so far, as stated by Sing in the sequel of Banana Fish "Garden of Light", they were like "lovers". |
TheOneOfSevenJan 1, 2022 5:22 AM
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Blue_Envy1598 said: You ain't alone on that, buddy. I went into the series, thinking it'll be a good action-crime series. I left with crippling depression and ran out of tears to shed.TheOneOfSeven said: That's understandable, but Yoshida did confirm Ash did have feelings for Eiji. I believe he never confessed because he lived a dangerous life and he couldn't drag Eiji along more than he had to from the start. Edit: Take my words with some grain of salt. I am looking for any confirmation, but so far, as stated by Sing in the sequel of Banana Fish "Garden of Light", they were like "lovers". Either way, it still fucking hurts when I think about Banana Fish. I haven't read the manga yet and by the time I've collected all the physical copies I'll be prepared to have my heart shattered a second time. |
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| thats just gender roles striking again and add culture wars too |
| No, I do not think people need to stop saying it. Gay ass anime |
Blue_Envy1598 said: TheOneOfSeven said: Here is the thing - I ship the two guys together BUT I am getting really tired of the series' treatment by the audience, some think "Pretty boys = BL Bait" (Won't talk about what I am thinking about) It's not, it's not a bl bait. Yes, the characters are pretty as hell, yes, the anime screams "bisexuality", but it's by all means not a bl-bait anime just because you have this bickering between the MCs and that they are pretty. Vanitas no Carte has a good story and it's a shame people turn a blind eye to this one. I thought it was one-sided love or something? I don't deny the possibility of Eiji liking Ash back, but as far as I know, Ash has a crush on Eiji. To my knowledge Ash and Eiji's relationship never went beyond friendship (and neither ever confessed to having romantic feelings) and you don't have to be more than friends to care for one another deeply or to love each other. Even if it's two guys, shocker right? They were described as being soulmates in the sequel to Banana Fish, but it doesn't have to mean in a more than friendship type of way. Soulmates means it's more than being friends....you answered your own question. |
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Piromysl said: It's totally understandable to ask wether it is gay or not, because a lot of people simply do not like watching something like that. But when you have Twitter Moment, when people are trying to imply that those characters are gay, despite there being no evidence for it or even trying to argue with an established kanon, then it is just pure cringe. Let shippers ship dude. You know what's annoying? All the isekai animes where they give fanservice to males 24/7 whether it be male X female or female x female. THAT takes away from the story. How about we remove all of that? |
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Piromysl said: It's totally understandable to ask wether it is gay or not, because a lot of people simply do not like watching something like that. But when you have Twitter Moment, when people are trying to imply that those characters are gay, despite there being no evidence for it or even trying to argue with an established kanon, then it is just pure cringe. totally i agree i like yuri (2 girl) and strait pairing when it comes to 2 mains (even if one is 15 and other 27, cause love sometime can happen between this age groups to that doesn't make one pedo (i draw the line with if 1side is preteen and other1 is teen or older, worse if its older, that's clear sick pedo sh), in my country a 16 year old girl and 27 guy got married, bicycle racers daughter wedding day she looked 8months Pregro, but its not a common thing but in world this stuff happens), there can be BL couple in it that doesn't bother me but full on BL no i don't care if its good, its just my preference so i get why ppl ask is it BL or is it Yuri different ppl like different stuff different genres |
Sugram22Jan 18, 2022 9:09 AM
| Tbh (a certain group of) educated Westerns are more showing of this "gay shit" attitude than educated Indians. In India, we do like bromance in media and real life, and don't really feel like shouting "gay" at male platonic bonding. Indian cricket fans will love this: |
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RavenlySadist said: Piromysl said: It's totally understandable to ask wether it is gay or not, because a lot of people simply do not like watching something like that. But when you have Twitter Moment, when people are trying to imply that those characters are gay, despite there being no evidence for it or even trying to argue with an established kanon, then it is just pure cringe. Let shippers ship dude. You know what's annoying? All the isekai animes where they give fanservice to males 24/7 whether it be male X female or female x female. THAT takes away from the story. How about we remove all of that? Dunno what's the problem. Feel free to ship whoever you want, I'm not stopping you. God forbid. What I'm saying is, that when someone thinks they know characters better than author, who made them and get to force some sort of identity or sexualitity, it is peak cringe and deserves to be called out sns mocked. And it is not limited to yaoi fandom, but yuri as well. It is an established kanon, that two main leads in Vanitas no Karte have their own female love interests, so so any sausage party should remain in fanfiction. |
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Piromysl said: RavenlySadist said: Let shippers ship dude. You know what's annoying? All the isekai animes where they give fanservice to males 24/7 whether it be male X female or female x female. THAT takes away from the story. How about we remove all of that? Dunno what's the problem. Feel free to ship whoever you want, I'm not stopping you. God forbid. What I'm saying is, that when someone thinks they know characters better than author, who made them and get to force some sort of identity or sexualitity, it is peak cringe and deserves to be called out sns mocked. And it is not limited to yaoi fandom, but yuri as well. It is an established kanon, that two main leads in Vanitas no Karte have their own female love interests, so so any sausage party should remain in fanfiction. In most of the case, no one said that they know the characters better than the author... They just ship characters thinking that they're nice together. But I notice that it's less a problem when it's a straight couple, even if nothing romantically canon exists in a main story (no need of evidence in this case). Obviously, you can disagree with a ship, but people forcing their ship is not restricted to shippers of gay ship... Also, it's not because that some feelings are established canon at some point that they cannot change as the story isn't finished yet. |
| I dont know in which era you're living but the stereotype of having no beard = gay is definitely not practise in India anymore. Or atleast not by the majority. As for your other statement, I agree. People should stop being skeptical about every anime with 2 male friends. |
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Myskae said: Piromysl said: Dunno what's the problem. Feel free to ship whoever you want, I'm not stopping you. God forbid. What I'm saying is, that when someone thinks they know characters better than author, who made them and get to force some sort of identity or sexualitity, it is peak cringe and deserves to be called out sns mocked. And it is not limited to yaoi fandom, but yuri as well. It is an established kanon, that two main leads in Vanitas no Karte have their own female love interests, so so any sausage party should remain in fanfiction. In most of the case, no one said that they know the characters better than the author... They just ship characters thinking that they're nice together. But I notice that it's less a problem when it's a straight couple, even if nothing romantically canon exists in a main story (no need of evidence in this case). Obviously, you can disagree with a ship, but people forcing their ship is not restricted to shippers of gay ship... Also, it's not because that some feelings are established canon at some point that they cannot change as the story isn't finished yet. You should probably stay off Twitter then. People literally got doxxed for even implying that two obviously not homosexual characters might not be homosexual. |
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