Is it just me or are people being to nit picky with this show?

SpiralVampire said:
Dude say it louder omg🙏 This some real facts right here deadass. As a manga reader, I can say that the anime was definitely not perfect and there are tons of things I can pick at. But for first views, like anime only watchers, they are being rly dramatic. Genuinely this is a series I love, with characters I love, and yes the anime is not perfect, but see the good in it ffs. If you don’t like it, read the manga but give it a chance at least.

SpiralVampire said:
Dude say it louder omg🙏 This some real facts right here deadass. As a manga reader, I can say that the anime was definitely not perfect and there are tons of things I can pick at. But for first views, like anime only watchers, they are being rly dramatic. Genuinely this is a series I love, with characters I love, and yes the anime is not perfect, but see the good in it ffs. If you don’t like it, read the manga but give it a chance at least.

shiromaru32 said:
there are problems with the anime? I liked this anime from the first episode, I guess I’m part of the minority

humantwig said:
So what you're saying is it gets even better than it already is???

Ok, Strap in, it's time for my easy 10/10 for the season.

PiedPiper_ said:
The reason why I don't want Pandora Heart remake is because of this outcry on MAL. People here are just way too dramatic. It's laughable how people simp over stupid shows despite bad endings ahm ahm and defend them to death, but judge a show based on first few episodes. Imagine Dropping Pandora Hearts at chap 27 or something LOL. I'm only happy for Jun Mochizuki. People can leave this show alone by not creating BL or other stupid shit.

234Mannan said:
Though i agree with u as a manga reader, i barely found any problems in the manga. The thing is what works in a manga sometimes doesnt work in the anime,(Even jun stated that in her latest interview) and tbh everything now is done in a great manner. From direction to voice acting to animation..And they even Enchanced some scenes such as the flash backs and the Charlatan parade, not to mention the music!

234Mannan said:
Not really i for one think it is great as the anime

SpiralVampire said:
O It’s rly minor stuff that I’m being picky bout pff. Like I said, people should see the good in it and I’m glad you like it 100%. I’m watching the anime too because I think it’s genuinely not as bad as people are going on bout. I agree w Jun also, yeah definitely some things can’t b transferred and that’s just part of the experience. Also yes the music😩👌

SyrupyMaple said:
Fans are always nit picky with shows. And I don’t really get how kissing someone suddenly turns a goofy character like Vanitas into someone dark. That makes no sense to me. Besides, his personality stayed the same anyways.

TheOneOfSeven said:
I wonder how the heck people came to conclusion Vanitas became dark and lost his goofiness 'cause he kissed Jeanne? As far as I know, he is still the giant, comedic, carefree and excitable jerk in the manga and I love him for it.

Alice0006 said:
From my observation, it's difficult for some people to accept this story because:
1. It seems Jun Mochizuki intentionally make the beginning not really grand but keep foreshadowing so people will still read it (She likes to mislead people). But compared to famous anime, the first episode maybe not grand enough (For example: In attack on titan, the wall break and Eren's mom eaten. In Demon Slayer, Tanjiro's family died and Nezuko become demon. In Jujutsu Kaisen, Itadori eat Sukuna's finger so Sukuna appear). So people decide this won't be interesting.
2. People have certain prejudice. For example: If 2 male leads, then it's BL. If the drawing is beautiful like this, this will be anime for women (joseimuke). If there is french kiss, blood-sucking and licking then it's echi.
3. Some people can't accept how the character is. As you said, people already have certain perception about the character and it seems some people can't accept how the character turned out to be.
4. Some people can't accept how the story turned out. Some people maybe don't like that there is romance for example.

Well, it can't be helped since Jun Mochizuki make this story according to what she want not what most audience will accept. She likes to mislead people and make people have certain impression before crush it. But people don't know about this and assume it won't escalate. As manga reader, what we can do just explain to them.

234Mannan said:
To be perfectly honest, the beginning was rather different from what u expect from a typical anime like u said grand(I actually dont like jjk tbh aot is okay and ds hasnt even reached those parts yet where u can say its astounding not to mention this is a dialouge heavy storyline with actual good characters fom the get ago). Jun Does alot of info dumping, well after the next 2 arcs, I doubt anyone will complain but most people dont have patience i suppose..

PiedPiper_ said:
Also want to point out, if you search up the meaning of the word "Vanitas" on google two things show up, One is 17th century painting which symbolizes "A vanitas is a symbolic work of art showing the transience of life, the futility of pleasure, and the certainty of death, often contrasting symbols of wealth and symbols of ephemerality and death".

And the latin word "Vanitas" which goes as "the Latin noun vanitas (from the Latin adjective vanus 'empty') means 'emptiness', 'futility', or 'worthlessness'".

If you take both of these examples, these perfectly describe the Vanitas as a character. I'm astonished by how much detail Mochizuki Jun goes into. Even in PH the names and the actions characters took were significant.

Also If you look at the last pages of Chapter 1 in Vanitas No Carte Manga. Where people didn't pay much attention but simply jumped on "Manga Bad because end hinted" BS. There is a line foreshadowed where Vanitas says "I won't die Noe, Even if I'm no longer here". Which i feel 90% of the readers slept on. Which I believe would be essential at the end. I have a feeling that Vanitas might not be human or vampire, he might be symbolization of some abstract concept itself

I wish there was someone like "Neiru2013" user on MAL who could write blogs on VNC for all the symbolism and work Jun Mochizuki put in. If anyone wants to read her PH Blog checkout this link http://twilightvisions.com/pandora.html .

Lastly, it's very hard for author to give back-to-back Masterpieces. Although I'm a bit afraid on how VNC might turn out. But I have high hopes for VNC because PH was unlike anything I have read. No other Manga or Shounen BS comes close to this. And the only Manga That I have given 10.

Alice0006 said:


That's what I said right? Because it's different from what famous anime usually do, they think it's not good enough, not attractive enough, they don't know/don't understand the direction. I am not talking about you (it means I don't care if you like JJK or not but it's a fact JJK is famous), I am talking about people in general. Those manga are mainstream but acceptable in general. I actually read Japanese tweet and Japanese impression everyday and they think first episode is too weak and many of them don't like the gag. Jun Mochizuki's way of story telling is kinda different with those manga which is good for me because I can read hint and foreshadow and I am used to read shoujo/josei (They usually don't have grand first chapter, just foreshadowing what will happen) but many people have weak impression because of it. Just look at shadow house, how many people watch it until the end because the beginning look like slice of life? It has similar story telling with Jun Mochizuki. Other than that, because of prejudice. I actually think first episode is good enough but it seems many people don't think so that's why I try to analyze it from people reaction (Mainly Japanese though).

234Mannan said:
Actually vanitas is a hit in japan right now. Though i dont know all the details..

234Mannan said:
Actually vanitas is a hit in japan right now. Though i dont know all the details..

Alice0006 said:


How do you know it's a hit? You make voting? You do research?
I actually see people reaction with Vanitas in first episode and see voting and it's low (I forget the exact number, it's lower than rank 15). That's why I try to understand why they think like this by seeing Japanese tweet and reaction and I summarized it here. Of course this is just through my observation so I can't generalized it, that's why I said "some" and "maybe".

Myskae said:
Personally, when I first read the manga I found it quite good at the beginning. But as the story progressed, I was kind of disappointed (maybe the evolution of the characters wasn't what I was expecting).



What defines an anime to be a hit in Japan though?

234Mannan said:
I saw the news :) its not what u call a major hit, but Its pretty successful as of right now and if it made in top 20 or 30 in twitter then that is good progress as well:)..In any case alot of people are watching and streaming the anime as of right now..and from what u have told me, most of them seemed confused rather then disappointed. Also Jun(I mean if u the articles studied the aricles) is a highly acclaimed writer in japan(Pandora hearts was the 2nd most popular manga in g fantasy during 2015 if i remember correctly) not to mention she has alot of fans as well including yuki kaijura(Who is quiet famous)...Not to mention social media is not a reliable source of things I mean ds is literally one of the most successful anime right now but just look at its status on fb and u will get a completely different picture.. In addition to all of this, the anime has a high production cost and alot of famous voice actors(Roland will be done by miyano if i am not mistaken and natsuki hanae is famous in japan as well i heard that from a japanese friend though)not to mention it is done by bones...So u can imagine its success once it finishes airing:) and it is successful to some extent till now as well. What i am tring to say on the thread though is to have patience to the confused viewers for the most part because i dont think many will complain after it finishes

Quiet excited though( i read alot of articles and news at random websites so i dont really remember the places tbh so i wont be able to provide the links)

Alice0006 said:


Sigh, you know what, I am a fan of her and I want her to be famous. I am talking like this not because I am attacking her, you make it sound like I don't know how good she is, the production, etc. I know all of the thing you said and even more than what you said (Some of the things you said are biased but I won't say anything because I don't want to make this conversation longer). I don't know what's your intention saying something like this honestly. My point: I said all of that just want to share what I found in twitter. From that, I think what we should do as manga reader is to explain if they are confused and promote it more. That's all. But it seems you are triggered by me saying maybe some people think it's not grand enough. That's what people said not me, but you start explaining to me things like this. Or am I not allowed to say what I found in internet about why maybe some people can't accept this story in the beginning in this forum?
What I did --> I saw Vanitas rank low --> I want to know why --> I searched people opinion --> I shared it in this forum.


News, I have seen many news say an anime is popular but it's actually not. Good production is not equal to popularity. There are many anime with good production but isn't accepted.
https://twitter.com/nomayuya/status/1417492124472418312?s=09
Look at this person status. This is based on nico live ranking and Vanitas is ranking 23 from 34 for this summer. If you think this is good, then it's up to you but for me this is not good ranking.

234Mannan said:
No offence but i am pretty sure u are not caught up with the manga or maybe you didnt understood the mechanics of the world and the characters?....

Myskae said:


Well, as I said, I was mainly disappointed on how the characters are handled. It's not really a matter of understanding. As a fan of Pandora Hearts and I was expecting something better.
I'm quite up-to-date, and the thing that concerned me the most is
Also, after 8 volumes, I feel that the story isn't advancing much.

234Mannan said:
Well personal prespectives. Frankly i found it to be done queit well especially chloe and vanitas. you can make a point about jeane maybe but Its a completely different story then PH and isnt complete yet. And it is pretty much just as great till now imo also i would like to add that PH story advanced after chapter 57 and this picked the pace rather quickly in comparison as well(From chapter 22) so i do disagree i suppose

bechan23 said:
Oh, I'm sorry. I hated Vanitas's everything for the first episode and was about to drop it, but now I shall watch the rest of what's available to have a second judgment. Sorry my english is bad.

Cathen99 said:
As a manga reader, I honestly wish that I could have watched the anime first as to not be nitpicky about it. I think most of us, if not all, will naturally compare the anime to the manga. While that might be a good thing at times - when the anime makes a certain scene that much better - it can be underwhelming at other times when it clashes with your mental image of said scene in the manga.

But yeah, I do understand your frustration when people draw conclusions. However, that is always going to happen, regardless of how good the material is. We all have different interpretations and opinions after all!
I think my point is that perhaps you should try to avoid that particular side, and instead focus on interacting with the part of the fandom that doesn't do this. However, this is only friendly advice.

234Mannan said:
Well to be perfectly honest, the anime is at the weakest part of the manga and plot progression hasnt even begin yet but it will after the next episode

humantwig said:

It's been, and it's done, and I have it a 10.
Can't wait till next season. I refuse to read it since I love the anime this much.

WatchTillTandava said:
This show was extremely up and down for me. I actually rated it a 7/10 after wrestling with deciding on a rating for some time and just today re-evaluated and decided to go back and downgrade it to a 6/10.

While the first episode was very visually impressive and I did feel pulled in by the dramatic flair of its setup, I almost dropped it after the first two episodes - the only one out of nine seasonals I was watching where that was the case. I decided to continue and immediately felt more invested around the middle of the third episode. So I ended up loving large aspects or all of episodes 3 through six or seven. The relationship between Vanitas and Jeanne and Noe and Dominique were the highlights for me, as well as the entire flashback episode involving Noe, Domi, and Louis at the countryside estate. Then I thought it went downhill a lot for two or three episodes around the catacombs arc/mini-arc. Then I loved the Vanitas and Jeanne, Noe and Ruthven episode (was that the penultimate?). Then I thought the season finale was very meh and underwhelming (I realize full well it's continuing, but that doesn't alter that fact).

So basically I wish it was a lot more consistent on the aspects I really appreciated and loved about it, and if so it would have been an easy 7, maybe even an 8+.

TheOneOfSeven said:
I honestly really loved this adaption of Vanitas, I can't wait until January, I'll finish volume 8 eventually, but man, I am just excited!

And also, I was strolling on another website and saw someone dropping this because of the "sexual harassment being used as a joke"?? I mean, Vanitas can cross a line time to times (ain't that most times), but the kiss was the only "harassment" I could spot and nothing else. He did not touch, he didn't grope, he didn't do any other pervy stuff than just kissing Jeanne to save his own skin and also led him into falling for her.